Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Bruce Spanner]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

OK I'll try.

 

Cheers.

 

I'm drinking an expensive bottle of white by mistake, which I'm going to have to repay at some point, and I'm watching wrestling as I can't figure out how to work the tellybox, I don't like wrestling.

 

Its men oiled up in knickers giving aggressive cuddles and I don't think I'm in the 'head space' for that, if you know what I mean?

 

You're my last hope.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Cheers.

 

I'm drinking an expensive bottle of white by mistake, which I'm going to have to repay at some point, and I'm watching wrestling as I can't figure out how to work the tellybox, I don't like wrestling.

 

Its men oiled up in knickers giving aggressive cuddles and I don't think I'm in the 'head space' for that, if you know what I mean?

 

You're my last hope.

Now your asking, not sure I'm up to that amount of responsibility.

[Bjornebye]

[Dr Nowt]

27 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

No your mother.

Fair fucks to you mate, your witticisms are superior to your ability to count to ten.

[Gnasher]

Just now, Dr Nowt said:

Fair fucks to you mate, your witticisms are superior to your ability to count to ten.

Tbh you're coming across as aged ten, quite disappointing really, especially taking into account your hugh brain. Have some more tablets and try again.

[Dr Nowt]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Have some more tablets and try again.

Hugh brain indeed. And as for this attempt, water off a duck’s back, my fat old chum.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Hugh brain indeed. And as for this attempt, water off a duck’s back, my fat old chum.

Aww you sound a bit rattled Ben, didn't touch a nerve did I?  Not quite happening the way you envisaged this is it? You've gone to the dogs, from a Btec Oscar Wilde to a Gcse Jeffrey Archer. Go on have another go, see if you can improve on 'fat'

[Dr Nowt]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Aww you sound a bit rattled Ben, didn't touch a nerve did I? 

Massively. Literally don’t know how to deal with someone this mauve. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Dr Nowt said:

Massively. Literally don’t know how to deal with someone this mauve. 

You literally don't.

[Dr Nowt]

 

[Dr Nowt]

Just now, Dr Nowt said:

 

 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

 

I don't think Shearsmith or Pemberton would be very impressed with your untamed wit Ben. In fact you're fucking boring me.

[Rico1304]

I’d like to say I take full responsibility for kicking off this latest bitch fest and feel justified that despite his hugh brain Ben is no match for the emulsion that is Gnasher. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I’d like to say I take full responsibility for kicking off this latest bitch fest and feel justified that despite his hugh brain Ben is no match for the emulsion that is Gnasher. 

You couldn't kick the skin of rice pudding you daft cunt.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You couldn't kick the skin of rice pudding you daft cunt.

Berlin -2021. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

Berlin -2021. 

Have to be 2022, can't get a flight this year.

[Arniepie]

2 hours ago, Chairman Meow said:

You're misunderstanding the maths here I think, yes you are correct that the rate has only increased by 1.5%. However that doesn't mean that prices would increase by 1.5%, 4% inflation for that year means 4% increase that year. 

 

£10 multiplied by 1.025 = £10.25 at a 2.5% inflation rate.

£10 multiplied by 1.04 = £10.40 at a 4% inflation rate.

 

I.e. on a year by year basis @2.5% on an item that costs £10 to start with

Year 1: Item goes to £10.25

Year 2: Item goes to £10.506

Year 3: Item goes to £10.768

If inflation goes to 4 %

Year 4: Item goes to £11.198 (10.768 * 1.04), it does not go up in price by 1.5%, it goes up 4%.

 

The other thing is that the increase compounds as well, so a sustained higher rate of inflation can potentially be way worse, at a rate of 2.5% the price of something would double every 28.8 years. At 4% that drops to the price doubling every 18 years. If you start getting into double digit rates then price increases start to get very bad and if wages don't keep up you have serious problems.

 

At best, unless wage increases are at an equal or higher rate than the rate of inflation people are just having their cost of living increase a bit slower than if they stayed the same.

 

For the record I don't necessarily think inflation is a bad thing, in fact there are arguments for it being a good thing, assuming people wages actually do increase as a result.

 

It always pissed me off when politicians used to use the "real terms" bullshit, claiming people were better off in real terms at a time when my wages stayed totally static year on year while all of my bills increased.

 

I'd also say at this stage nothing can be pinned on being down to Brexit as a result of this, Covid thrown into the mix as well is doing some fucked up things to various markets. It will be years before anyone can definitively say anything good or bad for the economy as a whole as far as leaving the EU is concerned. 

 

A 4% increase this year, in comparison to it being just under 1% last year may not even be anything to worry about and purely an anomaly as a result of lockdown easing and people going a bit mental with spending. 

 

In the areas I work in, used car prices have gone absolutely fucking mental as new cars aren't coming through due to the silicon shortage. PC component prices have done the same, so much so that we've built a new machine for doing fluid/aerodynamic simulations and can't actually use the power of the PC as we can't get a power supply that can run all 64 cores on the processor. 

 

Hotel wise, I suspect the wage rises are very temporary and purely due to the increased demand right now. I look after the bookings system and website for a hotel that a friend of mine owns, he's not increased wages but has had to take on more staff purely because the demand is higher than we've ever seen. Since reopening at the end of full lockdown iirc we've only had the equivalent of about 8 rooms not booked (meaning 8 nights where one room hasn't been booked). We've never seen it like that ever before, and likely never will. It's a one time thing and very temporary. 

 

One definite Brexit problem I have found is selling car parts into Europe. We have probably lost one customer entirely as a result, one customer is borderline and the other is probably OK, but only because we've been dealing with him for about 15 years now.

 

As a final note, as you don't seem to see what he is saying, Angry is not saying he's against pay rises or that they are bad, he is saying that a pay rise at less than the rate of inflation is in effect a wage cut in just the same way that stagnant wages are.

Yet anyone asking for a 4% pay rise you know just to actual keep up,would be accused of being "unrealistic '

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Yet anyone asking for a 4% pay rise you know just to actual keep up,would be accused of being "unrealistic '

Yep, this is where you need a good union, or if you're not in a union you need to explain to your employer the cost of living is about to rise due to a spike in inflation. Edit; I understand its not always that easy though.

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yep, this is where you need a good union, or if you're not in a union you need to explain to your employer the cost of living is about to rise due to a spike in inflation. Edit; I understand its not always that easy though.

I'm in the PCs.. I'm guessing one of the biggest?

I'm the last 8 years or so we have probably had about 4%.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

I'm in the PCs.. I'm guessing one of the biggest?

I'm the last 8 years or so we have probably had about 4%.

Yeah wages have hardly moved for years. Hopefully things will change for you.

[No2]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yep, this is where you need a good union, or if you're not in a union you need to explain to your employer the cost of living is about to rise due to a spike in inflation. Edit; I understand its not always that easy though.

But they would just say its only 1.5%, nothing to be worrying about.

[Gnasher]

More Britpop...

 

Wages rise, unemployment falls, vacancies rise...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58241006.amp

[Gnasher]

Britpop..

 

 

[Strontium]

I for one am staggered that people are earning more than they did when they were only being paid 80% of their wage.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I for one am staggered that people are earning more than they did when they were only being paid 80% of their wage.

Yep or people who lost their jobs have got back into work.