The Suarez Bite

[piscinin]

They have been as critical as they could be, more than what I expected - nobody is in any doubt that the club is pissed off with the FA. I am dissapointed that they didn't appeal - just to point out how petty the FA are, but it is easy for me to say that.

 

I just want us to start being cunts more often.

 

I don't want us to be cunts. I want us to be smarter than them.

 

Just look at Manure, when they signed Rooney they didn't give Ferguson the impossible task of rehabilitating him. They knew you couldn't, so instead they waged a proactive PR campaign, "You can't take it out of his game. You'll destroy the player". Repeat 20 times and next thing you know this is what the pundits say on TV, what the press say, what the FA take into account etc. Obviously there are other factors involved but still. There is a reason people laugh when scholes goes in for a leg breaker. "Aaach, he can't tackle, giggle". Repeat 20 times. Next thing you know you've framed the discourse.

 

But we are far too stupid for shit like that. No our "leader" signs up Brendan Rodgers to rehabilitate a guy with genuine psychological issues. What is Rodgers some kind of psychiatric specialist all of a sudden? He doesn't have the tools, he is being setup to fail. And it will all be his fault, because Ayre instead of saying, this is my club I will lead us out of this, did a press conference where he said, "Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that". Where he should be saying "We", he says, "Brendan or Luis". He is a fucking coward and way out of his depth.

[Whelan]

I don't want us to be cunts. I want us to be smarter than them.

 

Just look at Manure, when they signed Rooney they didn't give Ferguson the impossible task of rehabilitating him. They knew you couldn't, so instead they waged a proactive PR campaign, "You can't take it out of his game. You'll destroy the player". Repeat 20 times and next thing you know this is what the pundits say on TV, what the press say, what the FA take into account etc. Obviously there are other factors involved but still. There is a reason people laugh when scholes goes in for a leg breaker. "Aaach, he can't tackle, giggle". Repeat 20 times. Next thing you know you've framed the discourse.

 

But we are far too stupid for shit like that. No our "leader" signs up Brendan Rodgers to rehabilitate a guy with genuine psychological issues. What is Rodgers some kind of psychiatric specialist all of a sudden? He doesn't have the tools, he is being setup to fail. And it will all be his fault, because Ayre instead of saying, this is my club I will lead us out of this, did a press conference where he said, "Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that". Where he should be saying "We", he says, "Brendan or Luis". He is a fucking coward and way out of his depth.

 

Bollocks from start to finish, but then again you have absolutely no objectivity where Rodgers and FSG are concerned. So not really unexpected.

[Anubis]

Ayre can barely lead himself out of his own bedroom of a morning. Rodgers has been excellent throughout this. But he can't be held responsibly for the fact his superiors are donkeys.

[piscinin]

Bollocks from start to finish, but then again you have absolutely no objectivity where Rodgers and FSG are concerned. So not really unexpected.

 

That post was about Ian Ayre, as you would have realized if you'd actually read/understood it. Thanks for trying though.

[The Woolster]

Surprised no one has put up the FA publication yet

 

http://www.thefa.com/News/governance...AB4D7313F.ashx

 

Having read through it, they have arbitarily come up with 10 games.

 

They did not take Suarez' history into acount.

They found that Suarez intended to cause injury.

They did not like that Suarez contended that it was worth more than 3 games.

They noted that the Thatcher case is dissimilar, so did not take it into account.

Players are role models and have a duty to set highest example.

They have a duty to make sure it does not happen again.

They said Ashley Barnes got 6 games for tripping the ref over last year, that this is significantly more serious and punishment should be significantly higher.

 

Thats about it.

[piscinin]

Ayre can barely lead himself out of his own bedroom of a morning. Rodgers has been excellent throughout this. But he can't be held responsibly for the fact his superiors are donkeys.

 

Problem is I think he probably thinks he handled as well as it could be. Which just underlines how out of his depth he is.

[Whelan]

That post was about Ian Ayre, as you would have realized if you'd actually read/understood it. Thanks for trying though.

 

I did, hence 'FSG', so I understood perfectly. Thanks, and thanks for proving the point.

 

I'm not sure which is more distasteful, the FA's over reaction and mob mentality, or certain Liverpool fans jumping with apparent glee on the outcome to claim it as more proof of FSG's incompetance.

 

Here's the one relevant fact. Luis don't bite the FA don't ban him! Simple. FSG's response is to what Luis has done, not what the FA have done. They have been as unequivocal about their feelings towards the ban as possible, he bit him. It was never about whether he did or did not, just about the length of the ban.

 

Luis fucked up, he allowed the FA to be cunts - FSG dealt with it as best they could, and lets be in no doubt - the general concensus is that the FA are cunts.

[cole7]

I don't get the bit Suarez said about playing early, what did he mean??

[Guest davelfc]

Australia, Gerrard testimonial?

[Guest San Don]

Surprised no one has put up the FA publication yet

 

http://www.thefa.com/News/governance...AB4D7313F.ashx

 

Having read through it, they have arbitarily come up with 10 games.

 

They did not take Suarez' history into acount.

They found that Suarez intended to cause injury.

They did not like that Suarez contended that it was worth more than 3 games.

They noted that the Thatcher case is dissimilar, so did not take it into account.

Players are role models and have a duty to set highest example.

They have a duty to make sure it does not happen again.

They said Ashley Barnes got 6 games for tripping the ref over last year, that this is significantly more serious and punishment should be significantly higher.

 

Thats about it.

 

What a fucking joke that is.

[Hades]

I don't want us to be cunts. I want us to be smarter than them.

 

Just look at Manure, when they signed Rooney they didn't give Ferguson the impossible task of rehabilitating him. They knew you couldn't, so instead they waged a proactive PR campaign, "You can't take it out of his game. You'll destroy the player". Repeat 20 times and next thing you know this is what the pundits say on TV, what the press say, what the FA take into account etc. Obviously there are other factors involved but still. There is a reason people laugh when scholes goes in for a leg breaker. "Aaach, he can't tackle, giggle". Repeat 20 times. Next thing you know you've framed the discourse.

 

But we are far too stupid for shit like that. No our "leader" signs up Brendan Rodgers to rehabilitate a guy with genuine psychological issues. What is Rodgers some kind of psychiatric specialist all of a sudden? He doesn't have the tools, he is being setup to fail. And it will all be his fault, because Ayre instead of saying, this is my club I will lead us out of this, did a press conference where he said, "Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that". Where he should be saying "We", he says, "Brendan or Luis". He is a fucking coward and way out of his depth.

 

Excellent post, the club's staff only seem to show cynicism when it comes to self-preservation, not regarding anything to do with improving the club.

[xerxes]

'enough is enough, I've been a silly twat and will take the medicine'?

 

The player has caused this shitstorm and he's chosen to put it to bed. .

 

Good points, well made.

[xerxes]

They found that Suarez intended to cause injury.

 

He could have been giving him a love bite.

[ngogswilly]

I don't want us to be cunts. I want us to be smarter than them.

 

Just look at Manure, when they signed Rooney they didn't give Ferguson the impossible task of rehabilitating him. They knew you couldn't, so instead they waged a proactive PR campaign, "You can't take it out of his game. You'll destroy the player". Repeat 20 times and next thing you know this is what the pundits say on TV, what the press say, what the FA take into account etc. Obviously there are other factors involved but still. There is a reason people laugh when scholes goes in for a leg breaker. "Aaach, he can't tackle, giggle". Repeat 20 times. Next thing you know you've framed the discourse.

 

But we are far too stupid for shit like that. No our "leader" signs up Brendan Rodgers to rehabilitate a guy with genuine psychological issues. What is Rodgers some kind of psychiatric specialist all of a sudden? He doesn't have the tools, he is being setup to fail. And it will all be his fault, because Ayre instead of saying, this is my club I will lead us out of this, did a press conference where he said, "Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that". Where he should be saying "We", he says, "Brendan or Luis". He is a fucking coward and way out of his depth.

 

The one thing I think for sure is we have to fucking stop leaving managers to fight these battles alone, publicly i mean.

 

Its like the Mancs and Rooney, these battles(unfortunately) are won in the public domain. They have ex players, people like Bobby Charlton and their executives all coming out all guns blazing. Its the sort of shit that swings the issue in their favour and gets everyone on their side.

 

I remember David Gill going all gung ho blabbing anywhere he could that Rooney and United were being victimized a few years ago. The cunt knows that even if he looks stupid to the likes of us, theres plenty more that will buy his bullshit and end up driving things in the mancs favour.

[JustTosh]

I don't want us to be cunts. I want us to be smarter than them.

 

Just look at Manure, when they signed Rooney they didn't give Ferguson the impossible task of rehabilitating him. They knew you couldn't, so instead they waged a proactive PR campaign, "You can't take it out of his game. You'll destroy the player". Repeat 20 times and next thing you know this is what the pundits say on TV, what the press say, what the FA take into account etc. Obviously there are other factors involved but still. There is a reason people laugh when scholes goes in for a leg breaker. "Aaach, he can't tackle, giggle". Repeat 20 times. Next thing you know you've framed the discourse.

 

But we are far too stupid for shit like that. No our "leader" signs up Brendan Rodgers to rehabilitate a guy with genuine psychological issues. What is Rodgers some kind of psychiatric specialist all of a sudden? He doesn't have the tools, he is being setup to fail. And it will all be his fault, because Ayre instead of saying, this is my club I will lead us out of this, did a press conference where he said, "Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that, Brendan will deal with that". Where he should be saying "We", he says, "Brendan or Luis". He is a fucking coward and way out of his depth.

 

Well, now is our chance. Our chance to repeat 20 times Luis has been unfairly judged. Repeat 20 times how unfair it was branding him a diver, repeat 20 times the penalty claims not given even though they were obvious pens. Then maybe the pundits will say the same on TV. Good start by our gaffer IMO.

 

Then again, maybe Luis' decision to accept the penalty is because he wants out this summer. Better not postpone the matches he's being banned for.

[piscinin]

I did, hence 'FSG', so I understood perfectly. Thanks, and thanks for proving the point.

 

I'm not sure which is more distasteful, the FA's over reaction and mob mentality, or certain Liverpool fans jumping with apparent glee on the outcome to claim it as more proof of FSG's incompetance.

 

Here's the one relevant fact. Luis don't bite the FA don't ban him! Simple. FSG's response is to what Luis has done, not what the FA have done. They have been as unequivocal about their feelings towards the ban as possible, he bit him. It was never about whether he did or did not, just about the length of the ban.

 

Luis fucked up, he allowed the FA to be cunts - FSG dealt with it as best they could, and lets be in no doubt - the general concensus is that the FA are cunts.

 

You think you have understood it perfectly, but you haven't.

[piscinin]

Well, now is our chance. Our chance to repeat 20 times Luis has been unfairly judged. Repeat 20 times how unfair it was branding him a diver, repeat 20 times the penalty claims not given even though they were obvious pens. Then maybe the pundits will say the same on TV. Good start by our gaffer IMO.

 

Then again, maybe Luis' decision to accept the penalty is because he wants out this summer. Better not postpone the matches he's being banned for.

 

Problem is in this case the agenda has already been framed. Best we can do now is start to manage the next crisis. Which will happen because Suarez is a human being not a robot who can be turned on and off.

[JustTosh]

Problem is in this case the agenda has already been framed. Best we can do now is start to manage the next crisis. Which will happen because Suarez is a human being not a robot who can be turned on and off.

 

Well we should repeat 20 times how unfair his 8 game ban last time was when Terry got only 4 for an equal crime. It would have an effect. The problem is we won't, we'll stay quiet and accept the injustice as we allways do.

[TheResonator]

The right decision amidst much confused thinking.

 

Loyalty is always good. Defending the indefensible is always bad.

 

Some of the hysterical hyperbole surrounding “Jaws 2” has been absurd, not least in the intervention of Downing Street. Yet at the heart of this was always that biting is wrong, continuing to bite is very wrong.

 

...

 

The Club, and Rodger’s have largely handled this well, although two of Rodgers comments were ill judged.

 

 

I've cut most of it purely due to the size, but I feel that this post in particular typifies the detrimental shift in focus that has taken place in the way that football is covered in this country.

 

I think if you polled most people with a genuine passion for football how they feel about it's current incarnation, they would probably say that the soap-opera culture that has engulfed football is found a long way from its roots, and the things that fans identify with on the pitch. That is to say that the core 'values' that we look for in football lie more in the realms of passion, determination and loyalty than in politicking. What you can see in incidents like this is how far the game has come from the qualities that make it feel real, tangible, honest, and relateable to the common man.

 

Personally, I look at the latest Suarez 'incident' and I see a bite that didn't even break the skin. Biting is dirty, and Luis is a bit of a dirty player (here and there), but I couldn't really give to much of a fuck about it, because he isn't malicious. He's not out there throwing himself into leg-breakers, he's not throwing a sly elbow into someone's nose when they go up for a header, and he's not roaming the streets picking up prostitutes or destroying families. He's dirty -- but he's an honest, dirty player. What is he being punished for, really?

Since this hit the papers there has been list after list of his controversies: biting the lad at Groningen in 2010, the Evra incident and non-handshake -- both of which were highly dubious -- the handballs against Mansfield and Ghana, the 'dive' in front of Moyes, going down under a challenge from Rodwell... there's absolutely nothing in most of them that players up and down the country haven't done at one point or another. He's leagues and leagues away from Joey Barton or even Rooney for my money, because I don't see him as a nasty piece of work. He wants to win, and everything else is secondary. That, in my eyes, makes him a proper footballer. As long as he's not assaulting players in the street he's more than fit for the shirt, as far as I'm concerned.

 

You look at the way his name's bandied around in the papers, though, and it's absolutely reprehensible. Any time he's less than white he's pounced upon by sanctimonious, hypocritical vultures either writing the papers or desperate to get their names in them. A group of people attacking a common enemy is of necessity either battling a tyrant of sorts or is part of a lynch mob and the media, along with figures like Clarke Carlisle, the Mansfield chairman, and now even, thank God, our Prime Minister do not speak as part of a public forum to say anything provocative or groundbreaking, they're just there to add torches to the crowd. Yet they are seriously naive enough to consider him the villain of the piece.

 

Unfortunately, though, you look at a post like the one I've quoted and you can see the sort of crowd they're playing to. There seems to be an increasing collective of people who are into football principally for the politicking: not so interested in analyzing tactics or even the best players on the pitch after any given game as they are the backroom dramas, the finances of a club, the handshakes that take place and don't take place and, of paramount importance, conducting oneself in a 'wise' manner. It's like standing in the Louvre and talking about the kind of wood they used to frame the paintings.

 

This idea that Ayre, Rodgers and or Suarez should always be playing to the audience is the same ugly idea that has gutted politics and turned our national representatives into a spineless, innocuous bunch who -- of necessity -- divorce themselves from their own basic humanity every time they step out in front of a crowd. It is as ideologically antithetical to what happens on a football pitch as I can think of any thing being.

 

The circus-show that the game has turned into was no-better typified than in Suarez's refusal to shake Evra's hand. There was clear video evidence that Evra lowered it but nobody ran that story, because the scandal was juicier than the truth. But even if he had chosen not to shake Evra's hand, ask what would be wrong with that? You've got a guy whose accused him of racism, had him convicted by a kangaroo court, got the whole country on his back, and whose allegations he has totally denied from start to finish, and he's supposed to just shake his hand? Any innocent man would want to knock his teeth out.

 

It's by-the-by, because maybe Luis did say those things. I personally don't think so, but we don't know. But the reason he was pilloried, so conclusively, is because that fit in better with the running narrative.

 

That's what the game's turning into. Analysing handshakes, comments 'well' and 'ill'-advised, heroes and villains determined less by their skill than their politics. A sad soap opera.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Stop being so negative!

 

This team won't start next season - Mkhitaryan, Ince and McCarthy could be in our starting 11 come August. We are already better equiped to cope without Luis with Coutinhio and Sturridge, we can certainly cope without him for 5 games. Although, i'll change my tack slightly when we get United, Chelsea, Tottenhma, Arsenal, City all away for our first five games!

 

Haha yeah exactly! I fully expect a nice, hard first five fixtures.

 

Its not about the personelle in my opinion Whelan. Whether we invest well this summer is yet to be seen but even if we do, the spotlight that will be on us with Suarez missing will likely lead us to falter, I think.

 

Unless of course we go out and buy somebody just as amazing, which is what we should be doing either way. Unfortunately this is Liverpool we're talking about.

[Hades]

Fans of other clubs don't understand that the main reason we're so indignant is because for all intents and purposes, Suarez is our team. The Mancs and Chelsea can handle bans to Terry, Rooney, Ferdinand etc. but for us it's effectively season over.

 

FSG are missing this point as well. They're treating him like any other player, instead of the most valuable asset (bar Anfield) in the organisation.

[Red Banjo]

I've missed The Resonator.

 

Much sense in that sir, bravo.

 

As an aside, I'm fucking furious. What is the fucking point anymore.

[JustTosh]

Sadly oh so very sadly I have to admit the Reasonater is right. What is happening to the beautiful game now

[Paco]

just had a flick through the report there and there are several mentions of it being an unprovoked attack.

 

I don't think that is entirely true. Did Ivanovic grab suarez first? he didn't deserve to get his arm gnawed on for it but I don't think it was totally unprovoked.

[Red Banjo]

just had a flick through the report there and there are several mentions of it being an unprovoked attack.

 

I don't think that is entirely through. Did Ivanovic grab suarez first? he didn't deserve to get his arm gnawed on for it but I don't think it was totally unprovoked.

 

Actual events don't matter mate. Its Suarez - he's a cheating racist, so he completely deserves everything he gets.