Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[Barney_Rubble]

I think it's relevant when someone projects an image of being a man of the people, standing up against the establishment and rallying against injustice!!!

Then tells the truth that he teaches legal execs to tune into sirens and fleece other insurance companies.

There's a flip side to that particular coin.

 

By the same token, I should discard your opinion on the subject as it is biased, blinkered and not worth discussing, simply because you work for a gas company and, therefore, you come from the same pot of greedy, money-grabbing cunts who are fleecing (and have been doing for decades) the common man in this country. How's that for justice then?

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I think it's relevant when someone projects an image of being a man of the people, standing up against the establishment and rallying against injustice!!!

 

Then tells the truth that he teaches legal execs to tune into sirens and fleece other insurance companies.

 

Not that I make light of your job plight, and wish you good luck.

 

Erm I don't teach legal execs to do that. They can do that themselves.

 

What I look to teach them is to effectively communicate with their clients. I also work closely with our FNOL department to effectively ask questions.

 

I play no part in the interactions between our fee earners and solicitors have with other insurance companies. Plus we deal with existing claims on behalf of two large insurance companies.

 

I told you earlier in this thread that my speciality is client care. But you have chosen to ignore it.

 

 

Wrong again. Must suck being wrong again in such a short space of time.

 

 

Assuming generally makes an ass of you and me, but on this occasion, it is just making an ass of you.

 

 

How do you want your arse handing back to you?

[Scooby Dudek]

I think it's relevant when someone projects an image of being a man of the people, standing up against the establishment and rallying against injustice!!!

 

Then tells the truth that he teaches legal execs to tune into sirens and fleece other insurance companies.

 

Not that I make light of your job plight, and wish you good luck.

I consider myself a socialist, can you please tell me what socialist company I can get a job with in this capitalist country?  

 

Or can you please tell me a job I can hold were I am allowed to have an opinion of my own?

[Rico1304]

Skids - sounds tough, really does. Tough, tough, specialised stuff. Well done. You are right. You bloody showed me. Ha.

 

 

Scooby - the way you came riding in on your charger to help Skids then have you considered being a socialist knight?

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Skids - sounds tough, really does. Tough, tough, specialised stuff. Well done. You are right. You bloody showed me. Ha.

 

 

Scooby - the way you came riding in on your charger to help Skids then have you considered being a socialist knight?

Hang on a minute soft lad, you made out like you knew what I did. I just educated you on a small part of what I do that actually relates to the "ambulance chasing" side of things you assumed the business I work for did.

 

I never said it was tough. It's a piece of piss really. Are you jealous?

[Sugar Ape]

It doesn't matter whether Skids works for an ambulance chaser. He's got his beliefs and he stands by them. He's still got to earn though.

 

I'm a civil servant and I work safeguarding children and vulnerable people in our society. Does that make my opinion worth anymore or less than yours? Of course not.

 

I don't recall you being too vocal defending the thousand of nurses, teachers and other public employees who have lost, or are under threat of losing, their jobs Rico.

 

I sincerely hope you don't lose your job, but there are millions of people under the threat of losing their jobs in this country. Your ire should be aimed at fat cat bosses who fire people like you to make £100 million profit not £95 million profit.

[Rico1304]

Yep, green with envy. Positively lime.

[lifetime fan]

It doesn't matter whether Skids works for an ambulance chaser. He's got his beliefs and he stands by them. He's still got to earn though.

I'm a civil servant and I work safeguarding children and vulnerable people in our society. Does that make my opinion worth anymore or less than yours? Of course not.

I don't recall you being too vocal defending the thousand of nurses, teachers and other public employees who have lost, or are under threat of losing, their jobs Rico.

I sincerely hope you don't lose your job, but there are millions of people under the threat of losing their jobs in this country. Your ire should be aimed at fat cat bosses who fire people like you to make £100 million profit not £95 million profit.

 

Is your job safe with the changes to CRB checks mate?

[Sugar Ape]

Busier than ever. Proper up the wall. Could change when it all calms down but I don't envisage any problems in the near future.

[Rico1304]

Look, everyone's entitled to a view and I never professed otherwise. I reacted to the policy because I understand the industry and offered a few reasons why it wouldn't work. Obviously the policy has a risk of costing me and thousands of others our jobs. It's another example of something that sounds like a good idea actually being a lot more complex when you dig down into it. You'd have hoped a former energy minister would understand that.

[lifetime fan]

Busier than ever. Proper up the wall. Could change when it all calms down but I don't envisage any problems in the near future.

 

Glad it's safe, hope it stays that way for all you lot.

 

I should imagine it'll quieten down though, we no longer have to carry out CRB's for staff after their initial one. The onus is on them to inform us if they've been caught kiddie fiddling.

[Sugar Ape]

If they have joined the update service they don't have to apply for a new one unless they change workforce - So go from working with children to adults for example. If they don't join the update service - and the majority of people won't for the forseeable future - then they need a new check each time they apply for a job.

 

Even if they join the update service, and say you used to re-check them every 3 years, you should still be logging onto their account to see if any information has been updated every 3 years or however long it is you normally wait to re-check.

 

They can move to a different employer within the same workforce without a new check providing they have the new portable check, but remember they still have to pay £13 a year to stay registered.

 

So in short - if they don't apply for the new update service it's business as usual and they will have to reapply for a new check for every new job or form renewal. If they join the update service they pay a fee to join and they pay a yearly fee to stay in it.

[lifetime fan]

If they have joined the update service they don't have to apply for a new one unless they change workforce - So go from working with children to adults for example. If they don't join the update service - and the majority of people won't for the forseeable future - then they need a new check each time they apply for a job.

 

Even if they join the update service, and say you used to re-check them every 3 years, you should still be logging onto their account to see if any information has been updated every 3 years or however long it is you normally wait to re-check.

 

They can move to a different employer within the same workforce without a new check providing they have the new portable check, but remember they still have to pay £13 a year to stay registered.

 

So in short - if they don't apply for the new update service it's business as usual and they will have to reapply for a new check for every new job or form renewal. If they join the update service they pay a fee to join and they a yearly fee to stay in it.

 

My understanding is only the person themselves will have the log in details?

[Sugar Ape]

Yeah they will have the details, but if your policy is to DBS check them every 2 or 3 years or whatever, when that time comes they should give you permission to log onto the update service with their details and check the form.

 

If no new information has been added then you know the check is the same as when it was first issued. If some new information has come to light then you will be informed to apply for a new check.

 

You can read your guidance - as an employer - here https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/245183/Employer_guide_v3.6_26.09.13.pdf

 

But under the FAQ these may help you:

 

 

11.

Do I need to see the actual DBS Certificate when I carry out a Status Check?

Yes. You will need to have seen the original DBS Certificate to ensure

that it is for the right

workforce and of the right type and level that you need and that you are legally entitled to.

E.g. Enhanced with an Adults’ Barred List check for the Adults’ Workforce.

 

 

13.

Do I need the person’s

permission

to do a Status Check?

Yes. You will need their permission, verbal or written, to carry out a Status Check. You may want to get consent each time you check or you could consider asking for ongoing consent.

That will be up to you and the individual. The individual will be able to see who has carried out a Status Check, and when they did so, from their online account.

 

 

 

It's free for you to carry out a status check so as long as you have their permission you can do it as often as you wish.

[Stu Monty]

Look, everyone's entitled to a view and I never professed otherwise. I reacted to the policy because I understand the industry and offered a few reasons why it wouldn't work. Obviously the policy has a risk of costing me and thousands of others our jobs. It's another example of something that sounds like a good idea actually being a lot more complex when you dig down into it. You'd have hoped a former energy minister would understand that.

 

Rico, stop pissing down our legs and telling us it's raining.

 

This policy is getting hold of an industry, and I'll say it again as you don't seem to be capable of taking in what a massive fucking amount of money is it, that's making 4 FUCKING BILLION profit.

 

It isn't more complex and people are getting narky at you because we're not daft so we're not buying your idiotic comments about how £50 per person is fine if you don't add it all up and figure out it works out as £4bn.  £4bn.

 

Four. Billion. BILLION. Four of them. And you're fucking whinging that cutting that by a few percent might mean that the proven price-fixers that run your industry might sack people, and blaming that on the policy.

 

You don't have to like it that your boss will sack you to keep making £4bn instead of keep you on and earn £3.9bn, just don't make out that makes anyone else other than your boss in the wrong. It's still a massively profitable industry and to think it should carry on whilst people can't heat their homes is morally reprehensible.

[RedRazor]

All utilities should be fully nationalised and non-profit making.  The current state of affairs is stomach churning.

 

Not sure how old you are TK421 but I can rermember when they all were - and they were all shit. There was no concept of a "customer", we were all just ungrateful fuckers who existed purely to make their life difficult and unpleasant. They were definitely non profit making.

 

Having seen both my choice is for what we have today but with much better and stronger regulation.

[Stu Monty]

Not sure how old you are TK421 but I can rermember when they all were - and they were all shit. There was no concept of a "customer", we were all just ungrateful fuckers who existed purely to make their life difficult and unpleasant. They were definitely non profit making.

 

Having seen both my choice is for what we have today but with much better and stronger regulation.

 

Amazing how the option of well managed public companies is never even a possibility. Not even a thought that will enter people's heads. Ridiculous.

 

I don't mean that to be a dig I just find the constant GCSE Business bullshit about private- efficient - public - inefficient so very, very annoying.

[Sugar Ape]

This isn't the 80's anymore. Calls in our place are monitored for quality. You can get warnings for speaking out of turn to a customer. Just because

Customer service was shit 20-30 years ago before they were privatised shouldn't have any bearing on the conversation now.

[Rico1304]

Rico, stop pissing down our legs and telling us it's raining.

 

This policy is getting hold of an industry, and I'll say it again as you don't seem to be capable of taking in what a massive fucking amount of money is it, that's making 4 FUCKING BILLION profit.

 

It isn't more complex and people are getting narky at you because we're not daft so we're not buying your idiotic comments about how £50 per person is fine if you don't add it all up and figure out it works out as £4bn.  £4bn.

 

Four. Billion. BILLION. Four of them. And you're fucking whinging that cutting that by a few percent might mean that the proven price-fixers that run your industry might sack people, and blaming that on the policy.

 

You don't have to like it that your boss will sack you to keep making £4bn instead of keep you on and earn £3.9bn, just don't make out that makes anyone else other than your boss in the wrong. It's still a massively profitable industry and to think it should carry on whilst people can't heat their homes is morally reprehensible.

That 4billion includes generation, exploration, domestic and industrial - but don't let facts get in the way of your rant. Idiot.

[Rico1304]

I've been there about 20 years, spoken about this before so won't harp on again but the changes the industry has undergone simply wouldn't have happened in the public sector.

[Rico1304]

Oh, and all the profits from overseas operations ...

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Amazing how the option of well managed public companies is never even a possibility. Not even a thought that will enter people's heads. Ridiculous.

 

I don't mean that to be a dig I just find the constant GCSE Business bullshit about private- efficient - public - inefficient so very, very annoying.

Because those that won't let it enter their heads simply brush it off as communism. They think if you nationalise something it means it is a dictatorship type rule.

 

And I am not just talking about on here. It's crazy.

[Rico1304]

I really don't get the aversion to the 'per customer' profit either. Maybe per household is more accurate but most people have a supplier for a year so it's an obvious metric to use (industry standard in fact). It's not like you buy your gas fromEON on a Monday, then EDF on a Thursday because it's better or bluer or higher calorific value.

[Rico1304]

Because those that won't let it enter their heads simply brush it off as communism. They think if you nationalise something it means it is a dictatorship type rule.

And I am not just talking about on here. It's crazy.

Can you give me an example then Skids and I'll consider it? Genuine question.

 

The obvious flaw to me is governments changing so no long term strategy, not being able to raise capital, lack of balls to make change. Plus, it doesn't attract the best as the wages are shit - the minute you get a civil servant on big money the pres goes mental

[Phoenix]

Personally don't believe that the end of the world will occur if the prices of energy are frozen for a period of two years. The reality is that they will be bumped up beforehand anyway.

 

As for shareholders, the risk has always been there. That is the nature of the investment. You cant start crying about the share price dropping.

 

I don't see how anyone's vocation has to with their opinion on this matter.