Migrants

[Jack the Sipper]

Misplaced resentment of immigrants by an uneducated and misinformed public is as old as time. In this country alone there are numerous instances of outbreaks of violence on a mass scale (eg, the massacre of the Jews at Clifford's Tower, the 'Evil May Day' riots of 1517), where a downtrodden populace has only to be gently nudged by authority figures or community leaders to seek out the migrant as the cause of their problems. The likes of Farage and Gullis are reading from a very old and very effective textbook. It doesn't even have to be the case that those doing the nudging, or those being nudged, are necessarily racist - only that the nudgers have good reason for wanting someone to be blamed for something (deflection), and that the nudged are in a position to be willing to believe them (hardship and lack of education).

 

There was hope in some quarters that the rise of the internet and easily available and uncensored information would wise people up, but that seems to have been based on the misplaced belief that people are interested in seeking out information, particularly that which challenges existing views. If anything, for most people it's proven to be a space where they can pull anything up that confirms what they feel most comfortable believing.

[Bjornebye]

I could understand black and Irish but why no dogs? Dogs are ace. Cockney cunts 

[Gnasher]

The blond haired fella with beard on the right is a good mate of mine. I've known him since we were kids. He was a very good rugby player and his father was once the main man at the Welsh rugby union. Stevie joined the police when a youth but gave it up to dedicate himself to humanitarian work, which he's done ever since. He speaks a number of languages fluently and has done since childhood. He's also an excellent musician and spends his summers trucking around the festivals. 

 

He's one of life's good guys but he was always a tough kid who'd readily give Gullis a Chinese burn.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-02-13/its-getting-worse-the-desperate-conditions-inside-the-calais-migrant-camps?s=09

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Arniepie]

echr is often trending on twitter and you have these utter simpletons demanding that our human rights be took over because they think it will stop asylum seekers coming here.

They genuinely believe it will only apply to brown people.      

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Arniepie said:

the latest argument is to say..well why dont you house one.

Yeah, I usually try to explain that that's impractical and inefficient: it makes much more sense to pay my taxes and contribute to them getting better accommodation than our back bedroom.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Strontium said:

Concentration camps would be kinder to them than putting them in Knowsley.

It's like the old joke about the lion that escaped from Knowsley Safari Park; Police tracked it as far as Kirkby, where they decided it would have to take its own chances.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

3 hours ago, Jack the Sipper said:

Misplaced resentment of immigrants by an uneducated and misinformed public is as old as time. In this country alone there are numerous instances of outbreaks of violence on a mass scale (eg, the massacre of the Jews at Clifford's Tower, the 'Evil May Day' riots of 1517), where a downtrodden populace has only to be gently nudged by authority figures or community leaders to seek out the migrant as the cause of their problems. The likes of Farage and Gullis are reading from a very old and very effective textbook. It doesn't even have to be the case that those doing the nudging, or those being nudged, are necessarily racist - only that the nudgers have good reason for wanting someone to be blamed for something (deflection), and that the nudged are in a position to be willing to believe them (hardship and lack of education).

 

There was hope in some quarters that the rise of the internet and easily available and uncensored information would wise people up, but that seems to have been based on the misplaced belief that people are interested in seeking out information, particularly that which challenges existing views. If anything, for most people it's proven to be a space where they can pull anything up that confirms what they feel most comfortable believing.

Got no problem with migrants, it’s these foreigners I don’t like!

[Creator Supreme]

38 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's like the old joke about the lion that escaped from Knowsley Safari Park; Police tracked it as far as Kirkby, where they decided it would have to take its own chances.

You cheeky bastard!

 

Hang on I don't live in Kirkby anymore, I live in the much more refined surroundings of Canny Farm!

[polymerpunkah]

By way of comparison, Quebec is complaining about receiving more than it's fair share of migrants into Canada.

 

Approximately 39,000 "irregular" entries and 20,000 regular in 2022.

 

Into a population of approximately 8 million.

 

Coincidentally, approx. 8 million people in Canada classify themselves as migrants, approx. 22%.

 

 

[Gnasher]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/23/uk-now-among-most-accepting-countries-for-foreign-workers-survey-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw&s=09

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

44 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/23/uk-now-among-most-accepting-countries-for-foreign-workers-survey-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw&s=09

 

 

Some interesting points, there; but it's disappointing - and a bit shit - to see a supposedly serious newspaper sliding the issue of asylum seekers into an article about economic migration.

[VladimirIlyich]

14 hours ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/23/uk-now-among-most-accepting-countries-for-foreign-workers-survey-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw&s=09

 

 

A worker shortage? It depends on the shit that pass for jobs. At the higher end of the scale that might be all well and good as more highly skilled jobs are often taken up by people of many nationalities,always been the case to be honest. At the bottom the only reason there is any shortage is the abysmal wages which simply increase in work poverty. 

[Kepler-186]

Liverpool shipping firm Bibby Marine has the contract for the offshore barges. Billed through the IoM of course. 
 

“Liverpool firm defends barge in controversial asylum seeker plan”. 

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-firm-defends-barge-involved-26649066
 

Been refurbed after previously being condemned by the Dutch. 
 

No doubt it will be pushed that they’re “fit enough for hard workers in the offshore industry. “

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

7 minutes ago, Kepler-186 said:

Liverpool shipping firm Bibby Marine has the contract for the offshore barges. Billed through the IoM of course. 
 

“Liverpool firm defends barge in controversial asylum seeker plan”. 

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-firm-defends-barge-involved-26649066
 

Been refurbed after previously being condemned by the Dutch. 
 

No doubt it will be pushed that they’re “fit enough for hard workers in the offshore industry. “

Bibby’s use to be a good firm to work for then went to shit, my mrs worked there for 25 years and couldn’t get out quick enough.

[Anubis]

 

 

[Kepler-186]

1 hour ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Bibby’s use to be a good firm to work for then went to shit, my mrs worked there for 25 years and couldn’t get out quick enough.

Sad isn’t it that decent places to work are few and are between now. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, Kepler-186 said:

Sad isn’t it that decent places to work are few and are between now. 

It is mate, she went from loving going in to dreading it.

[Creator Supreme]

2 hours ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

It is mate, she went from loving going in to dreading it.

My brother in law worked in Bibby's on the finance side for a few years, and he had the same experience. He was actually relieved when he got made redundant!

[stringvest]

On 23/02/2023 at 08:10, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Some interesting points, there; but it's disappointing - and a bit shit - to see a supposedly serious newspaper sliding the issue of asylum seekers into an article about economic migration.

surely the two are absolutely linked?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, stringvest said:

surely the two are absolutely linked?

No.

There is no legal or moral obligation for any country to provide safe refuge to economic migrants.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

2 hours ago, Creator Supreme said:

My brother in law worked in Bibby's on the finance side for a few years, and he had the same experience. He was actually relieved when he got made redundant!

She worked in finance but not the Bibby Finance side, she was over the moon to get redundancy.

[stringvest]

11 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No.

There is no legal or moral obligation for any country to provide safe refuge to economic migrants.

I’m no fan of the Tories, but migrants who arrive in small boats in this country are not by that time fleeing from persecution.  They have decided they would prefer to settle in the UK as opposed to France, Germany, or any of the other countries they have traversed to get to the English Channel.  We would call them what they are- honesty would stop people dancing on the head of a pin when discussing what to do with these people. 

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, stringvest said:

I’m no fan of the Tories, but migrants who arrive in small boats in this country are not by that time fleeing from persecution.  They have decided they would prefer to settle in the UK as opposed to France, Germany, or any of the other countries they have traversed to get to the English Channel.  We would call them what they are- honesty would stop people dancing on the head of a pin when discussing what to do with these people. 

'These people?' Hmmm.

[stringvest]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

'These people?' Hmmm.

 

stop being offended so easily.  I regard them as people, like you and I.  They are human beings, with their own motivations, which will all be different, and their own circumstances, which again will all be different.  What is unarguable is that they are choosing to come to the UK for reasons not relating to persecution.  Let's just be honest about that and then we can address the practical question of what can and should be done.  

 

For example, if it's children travelling alone who have relations in this country, then surely there is a way to ask those relations to sponsor the children's stay.  If it is men looking to better their prospects, then they need to be assessed differently.  

[Poor Scouser T]

11 minutes ago, stringvest said:

 

stop being offended so easily.  I regard them as people, like you and I.  They are human beings, with their own motivations, which will all be different, and their own circumstances, which again will all be different.  What is unarguable is that they are choosing to come to the UK for reasons not relating to persecution.  Let's just be honest about that and then we can address the practical question of what can and should be done.  

 

For example, if it's children travelling alone who have relations in this country, then surely there is a way to ask those relations to sponsor the children's stay.  If it is men looking to better their prospects, then they need to be assessed differently.  

According to research, can't remember where, economics plays just one part in the decision to travel here. Culture, language and family were big motivators.