Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Do one you silly little cunt.

What’s your name Gnasher? 

[No2]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Shut it Damien, otherwise ill call you out and you'll look the cunt you are  

Call him out, make him look like a cunt like you do with angry every day. 

[skend04]

Gnasher still unable to get his meds?

 

[Rico1304]

21 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Gnasher still unable to get his meds?

 

I think he works shifts. On random week days he seems to start huffing paint early doors and it goes downhill from there. 

[skend04]

14 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I think he works shifts. On random week days he seems to start huffing paint early doors and it goes downhill from there. 

Knowing Gnasher, it's probably the pre-EU lead paint. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

What’s your name Gnasher? 

I'm in the Sefton, come say hello.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Gnasher said:

I'm in the Sefton, come say hello.

Ok, I'm not doing anything else. I'll have a Guinness. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Ok, I'm not doing anything else. I'll have a Guinness. 

No problems I'll get you a Guinnes. On me.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Gnasher said:

No problems I'll get you a Guinnes. On me.

Nah, decided I'm putting my feet up. I need more notice usually. I also don't drink in the Sefton. I suspect you don't either. You still haven't answered my question. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Nah, decided I'm putting my feet up. I need more notice usually. I also don't drink in the Sefton. I suspect you don't either. You still haven't answered my question. 

OK no probs put your feet up, I would've bought you a Guinness but we're leaving their now anyway. 

[Bjornebye]

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

OK no probs put your feet up, I would've bought you a Guinness but we're leaving their now anyway. 

They're already up, I've got red tartan pyjama kecks on and they're comfy as fuck. Well done for knowing my name (a name used by a few on here that I know from the match) and knowing whereabouts in Liverpool I live (I've mentioned it plenty of times) don't try and come across like some prickly poirot. That said, if you are local (I suspect you aren't) and you would like a pint sometime I'll happily go for one. Don't think I'm some dickhead you can try and threaten, and don't think calling everyone who disagrees with you a cunt isn't gonna get you responses that aren't exactly cuddly. 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

They're already up, I've got red tartan pyjama kecks on and they're comfy as fuck. Well done for knowing my name (a name used by a few on here that I know from the match) and knowing whereabouts in Liverpool I live (I've mentioned it plenty of times) don't try and comes across like some prickly poirot. That said, if you are local (I suspect you aren't) and you would like a pint sometime I'll happily go for one. Don't think I'm some dickhead you can try and threaten, and don't think calling everyone who disagrees with you a cunt isn't gonna get you responses that aren't exactly cuddly. 

Go to bed. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Go to bed. 

You've been on the strong stuff solid for a few days, I think it's you who needs your bed. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

You've been on the strong stuff solid for a few days, I think it's you who needs your bed. 

You might be right.

[Vincent Vega]

 

[Arniepie]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-claims-pm-did-not-grasp-what-leaving-eu-trade-area-meant-until-after-brexit-1298747/amp

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-claims-pm-did-not-grasp-what-leaving-eu-trade-area-meant-until-after-brexit-1298747/amp

Cummings (whilst I like him coming out slagging them off) didn't say all this at the time did he. Wonder how much he pocketed from the leave vote 

[Anubis]

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

And no British participation in the EU, EEC

 

 

Thatcher meanwhile;

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

And no British participation in the EU, EEC

 

 

Thatcher meanwhile;

And no Gnasher. What a pity.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

And no British participation in the EU, EEC

 

 

Thatcher meanwhile;

We can speculate - pointlessly - about whether Labour would have been able to successfully overturn the result of a referendum just 8 years earlier and what that would have meant for the UK and Europe.

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

 

What we should be able to agree on is that the circumstances of the UK's membership of the EU in 2016 were fundamentally different to its membership a third of a century earlier: even if you think we should have left in 1983, it doesn't follow that the leave vote in 2016 was right.

[Gnasher]

7 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

We can speculate - pointlessly - about whether Labour would have been able to successfully overturn the result of a referendum just 8 years earlier and what that would have meant for the UK and Europe.

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

 

What we should be able to agree on is that the circumstances of the UK's membership of the EU in 2016 were fundamentally different to its membership a third of a century earlier: even if you think we should have left in 1983, it doesn't follow that the leave vote in 2016 was right.

Some fair points but it's ridiculous to pretend our exit from the EU was almost solely pushed from xenophobic/bigots/racists from the right. It's not true and many many Labour father figures were against our participation in the the EU/EEC. 

 

Foot, Bevan, Atlee, Cartland, Benn,Peter Shore, Bob Crow, all off the top of my head!!!  Corbyn??

 

Fuck me that's some list, that's a one he'll of a list!!  All the Labour socialist dignitaries totally against the EU/EEC 

 

If you truly believe in a just and equal world, why oh why would you ignore and dismiss the thoughts of people mentioned above?

 

 

[Gnasher]

Fair article imo this, showing both sides to the Brexit/low paid workers debate. I have got a bit of sympathy with the coffee shop owner but to answer his question I'm the last paragraph of why workers are not attracted the answer is mainly 'wages'. 

 

"‘I don’t blame customers for getting annoyed’: a coffee house owner on life without EU workers | Food & drink industry | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/17/i-dont-blame-customers-for-getting-annoyed-a-coffee-house-owner-on-life-without-eu-workers

 

 

Brexit has changed the game (for the better) regarding employing low paid workers in previous low paid industries, if employers are not willing to pay a living wage they are going to struggle.

 

 To carry on the pretence that brexit hasn't led to staff shortages/ more vacancies/pay rises is becoming more preposterous by the day, a local kid applying for a job in the shop in the article in Birmingham will A; have a better chance of landing the job; and B: be on a better rate of pay once they get the job, and a very similar scenario is happening in almost every town, city, farm, construction site throughout the country. Whilst Brexit has some major down sides to deny the positives seems a tad spiteful, especially as the positives mainly benefit the low paid.

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

 Bloody Brexit;

 

"UK job vacancies surge to record high 2.7 million as labour shortage worsens | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/job-vacancies-labour-shortage-b1956832.html?amp

[AngryOfTuebrook]

26 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 Bloody Brexit;

 

"UK job vacancies surge to record high 2.7 million as labour shortage worsens | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/job-vacancies-labour-shortage-b1956832.html?amp

Are you still pretending that labour shortages per se are a good thing?

 

As that article makes clear, the shortages caused by the pandemic have been exacerbated by Brexit. That is likely to be a drain on the economy for the foreseeable future and (with the Brexit-enabled right wing of the Tory Party in absolute power) it's not the bosses who are going to pay, in the medium/long term.