Bob Crow has passed away

[Anubis]

Driverless trains work, maybe if the union hadn't been so militant it wouldn't be something TFL are looking at. Are you scared getting in a lift?

 

Lifts run on a straight track which doesn't intersect with other lifts at junctions or run the risk of crashing into them, especially if the pattern changes due to unforseen circumstances.

[dickie mint]

You've convinced me, fuck em, sack the lot of em.

As an alternative rail travellers could draw straws on the platform or have a big game of one potato two potato and whoever wins drives the train. It'd save 40 grand a year and we wouldn't have to bother taking the kids to Alton towers.

 

Brilliant post,laughed me head off.

[Dr Nowt]

Driverless trains work, maybe if the union hadn't been so militant it wouldn't be something TFL are looking at. Are you scared getting in a lift?

 

Think you're looking down the wrong end of the telescope there. 

 

That would ignore all the other occasions in human history an ability to reduce labour costs through automation and technology hadn't been passed over in favour of keeping people in jobs because they'd not got uppity and valued their own contribution.

[Rico1304]

Lifts run on a straight track which doesn't intersect with other lifts at junctions or run the risk of crashing into them, especially if the pattern changes due to unforseen circumstances.

So tube drivers stop and go? You are writing on a phone or tablet, probably connected wirelessly to the internet and you don't think a machine could do it?

[Torvald Utne]

The Victoria line is automated, a "driver" sits in the cab with the responsibility of closing the doors.

[dickie mint]

The Victoria line is automated, a "driver" sits in the cab with the responsibility of closing the doors.

 

Apparently to save the 40 grand they are going to take the doors off the trains and replace them with beaded curtains it'll get people on quicker and boost the profits.

[VladimirIlyich]

He said in one of those interviews that the London Underground is a Victorian invention. This means that in emergencies there arent the purpose built emergency exits and safety features built in like the modern railways in Beijing et al.

 

[Anubis]

The bitterness towards employees who, for once, were able to carve out a decent living for themselves and their families, is astounding. Tory devisive tactics in action. Keep the lower orders fighting among themselves so they take their eye off the real action.

[Dr Nowt]

The bitterness towards employees who, for once, were able to carve out a decent living for themselves and their families, is astounding. Tory devisive tactics in action. Keep the lower orders fighting among themselves so they take their eye off the real action.

 

Bravo mate, dead right.

 

Race to the bottom.

[stringvest]

Driverless trains work, maybe if the union hadn't been so militant it wouldn't be something TFL are looking at. Are you scared getting in a lift?

They don't work on a Victorian rail infrastructure. Technically they can, but there are so many reasons why they would be a criminally bad idea on the London Underground.

 

[stringvest]

The Victoria line is automated, a "driver" sits in the cab with the responsibility of closing the doors.

Is that all he does then? Righto.

 

[Rico1304]

The line is equipped with an Automatic Train Operation system (ATO); the train operator (driver) closes the train doors and presses a pair of "start" buttons, and if the way ahead is clear, the ATO drives the train at a safe speed to the next station and stops it there. This system has operated since the line opened in 1968, making the Victoria line the world's first full-scale automatic railway.[20]

[dickie mint]

The line is equipped with an Automatic Train Operation system (ATO); the train operator (driver) closes the train doors and presses a pair of "start" buttons, and if the way ahead is clear, the ATO drives the train at a safe speed to the next station and stops it there. This system has operated since the line opened in 1968, making the Victoria line the world's first full-scale automatic railway.[20]

 

So would you not like a driver on this train just to override any problem which may occur while possibly you and your kids are on the tube.

[Scooby Dudek]

If they get rid of 1000 ticket office staff and close down all the ticket offices.

Then they get rid of all the drivers on the tubes.

Thus saving all this money and the terrible occasions of these lunatics going on strike, thus saving even more money.

 

My question is; How long will it be before the fares are reduced?

[Rico1304]

So would you not like a driver on this train just to override any problem which may occur while possibly you and your kids are on the tube.

I get in a lift with my daughter, if that's proved to be safe why shouldn't I?

 

Surely if safety is your issue we'd be better off with a driverless train and a paramedic on every train? Plus, how many incidents are caused by human error?

[Gnasher]

Reporter to Bob Crow " do you know how much management and buisness leaders estimate just one day of strike action costs the London economy?

 

Bob Crow " no"

 

Reporter " 2 million pounds every day"

 

Bob Crow " I'm glad you told me that, shows how much my members are worth"

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Ah come on rico. Surely you can see the massive differences between the old Victorian Tube system and a modern rail infrastructure?

 

I know we have our battles in the past but I never had you down as thick at all.

 

What will you do when they try and put your job into the hand of computer or robot?

[Gnasher]

 

Throwing people on the dole benefits only the management. If you think they will past the savings on to the consumer your living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

If a train driver gets sacked he may have to claim dole and housing benefit which costs taxpayers a fortune. Plus the ripple affect of not being able to spend money locally on mortgage/rent to local authorities/ groceries/clothes/couple of pints down the pub etc. We've all seen what happens to areas with high unemployment, small businesses soon fold, leaving a run down derelict ghost town.

 

As a shop steward once said to Henry Ford upon being told that a robot dosnt need a union ticket " Mr ford, but that robot will never buy one of your cars"

[dickie mint]

I get in a lift with my daughter, if that's proved to be safe why shouldn't I?

Surely if safety is your issue we'd be better off with a driverless train and a paramedic on every train? Plus, how many incidents are caused by human error?

Surely with a driver on you would think it would be a safer,and unless the Paramedic was driving the train I don't see what use he would be in a major incident that possibly a driver could prevent

[Bobby Hundreds]

Planes can fly without pilots. There's lots of jobs that you can remove people from and replace them with technology but just because you can it doesn't mean you should. Keep drivers on trains for emergencies and assurance. If I'm on the underground and a train breaks down or the system goes down I'd be more comforted knowing a skilled person with knowledge of the underground was on the train to assure everybody For the ticket offices and such I don't really have an opinion I don't use the under ground sometimes jobs have to go it can't be helped but a lot of those jobs should be retrained in other areas. An underground with hardly any staff wouldn't fill me with confidence or make you feel safe.

 

I don't get the anger at the money the drivers earn. Its London absolutely they should earn a wage that they can live on in that city. Its almost everybody else's wages that have stagnated or fallen down I can't knock people who have stood up and said no if big business got to decide on what was a fair wage we'd get food vouchers and rent stubs as pay. They offer fuck all and you try and get as much as you can and hopefully you will meet somewhere in the middle and society can function better. No working person who does 40 hours and is sensible with their money should struggle. Work should pay unfortunately to the Tories make work pay means cut welfare which is just a fucking bizarre logic.

 

I was talking to my missus dad he was telling me his first house which he bought about 35 years ago roughly.. was 12 grand and he earnt 7 grand a year, he said it was a 3 bedroom house with big front and back gardens, I thought fuck iPads and all this new technology send me back there. Whats the point in technology getting better, standards improving if every fucker can't afford the basic things the average person easily could 35 years ago.

 

It strange that all people want is a bit of fairness and they say well go and live in North Korea send your flat screen tv back. Like the only way is one extreme to another. In some areas I'm socialist such as in health care and education. I would put a leash on the idea of profit over everything. I want rich people I want the wish to be rich to still be a driving force to push people on, I want to see nice things being made and dream that one day I can afford them. I don't want monopolies I don't want insanely wealthy people I probably would introduce a lowest and highest earning ratio so if a company is successful everybody enjoys the success they all have a stake in it doing well, the more the lowest are paid the more the highest are paid. I want a government that says this way will make more money but it will lower the standard and quality of life so we won't do it. Focus more on the happiness and well being of people. I don't see any reason why society cannot be fairer why success has to come off the back of exploitation. It doesn't need left or right ideals, just little bits from both. Strive to be the best country in the world for people to live in.

 

Oh and for fucks sake can we have the generation that eventually says we really need to be thinking seriously about renewable energy sources making more efficient solar panels and having every fucking roof in the country have one or whatever, even concentrating and doing something about that would create a job industry. We got a big nuclear fireball in the sky that's powered the planet for billions of years and its going to do it for billions more, we have got tides that will roll and keep rolling long after were gone, humanity is capable of improving our means to harness that power and if not I'd rather live in a clean world with no fucking power than be dead because we done gone fucked up the earth.

 

I essentially want flowers in my hair and us all to hold hands sing songs....... Look at your fellow man give him a helping hand....

[Rico1304]

Ah come on rico. Surely you can see the massive differences between the old Victorian Tube system and a modern rail infrastructure?

I know we have our battles in the past but I never had you down as thick at all.

What will you do when they try and put your job into the hand of computer or robot?

I have my moments!

 

My argument all along has been that the tube drivers are overpaid because of the stranglehold they've got on the capital. People have said they are highly skilled, perform a valuable safety role and are essential. They've had pay rises when everyone else is struggling, yet their organisation doesn't make any money (assuming SD is right). The people of London pay the wages, the same people who haven't had a pay rise for years in many cases. The Union doesn't give a fuck about you unless you are in the Union, which is the way it should be - don't pretend otherwise.

[Gnasher]

Throwing people on the dole benefits only the management. If you think they will past the savings on to the consumer your living in cloud cuckoo land.

If a train driver gets sacked he may have to claim dole and housing benefit which costs taxpayers a fortune. Plus the ripple affect of not being able to spend money locally on mortgage/rent to local authorities/ groceries/clothes/couple of pints down the pub etc. We've all seen what happens to areas with high unemployment, small businesses soon fold, leaving a run down derelict ghost town.

As a shop steward once said to Henry Ford upon being told that a robot dosnt need a union ticket " Mr ford, but that robot will never buy one of your cars"

Cost cutting increases the risk of this happening

 

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE66T3CU20100730?irpc=932

[Rico1304]

Planes can fly without pilots. There's lots of jobs that you can remove people from and replace them with technology but just because you can it doesn't mean you should. Keep drivers on trains for emergencies and assurance. If I'm on the underground and a train breaks down or the system goes down I'd be more comforted knowing a skilled person with knowledge of the underground was on the train to assure everybody For the ticket offices and such I don't really have an opinion I don't use the under ground sometimes jobs have to go it can't be helped but a lot of those jobs should be retrained in other areas. An underground with hardly any staff wouldn't fill me with confidence or make you feel safe.

I don't get the anger at the money the drivers earn. Its London absolutely they should earn a wage that they can live on in that city. Its almost everybody else's wages that have stagnated or fallen down I can't knock people who have stood up and said no if big business got to decide on what was a fair wage we'd get food vouchers and rent stubs as pay. They offer fuck all and you try and get as much as you can and hopefully you will meet somewhere in the middle and society can function better. No working person who does 40 hours and is sensible with their money should struggle. Work should pay unfortunately to the Tories make work pay means cut welfare which is just a fucking bizarre logic.

I was talking to my missus dad he was telling me his first house which he bought about 35 years ago roughly.. was 12 grand and he earnt 7 grand a year, he said it was a 3 bedroom house with big front and back gardens, I thought fuck iPads and all this new technology send me back there. Whats the point in technology getting better, standards improving if every fucker can't afford the basic things the average person easily could 35 years ago.

It strange that all people want is a bit of fairness and they say well go and live in North Korea send your flat screen tv back. Like the only way is one extreme to another. In some areas I'm socialist such as in health care and education. I would put a leash on the idea of profit over everything. I want rich people I want the wish to be rich to still be a driving force to push people on, I want to see nice things being made and dream that one day I can afford them. I don't want monopolies I don't want insanely wealthy people I probably would introduce a lowest and highest earning ratio so if a company is successful everybody enjoys the success they all have a stake in it doing well, the more the lowest are paid the more the highest are paid. I want a government that says this way will make more money but it will lower the standard and quality of life so we won't do it. Focus more on the happiness and well being of people. I don't see any reason why society cannot be fairer why success has to come off the back of exploitation. It doesn't need left or right ideals, just little bits from both. Strive to be the best country in the world for people to live in.

Oh and for fucks sake can we have the generation that eventually says we really need to be thinking seriously about renewable energy sources making more efficient solar panels and having every fucking roof in the country have one or whatever, even concentrating and doing something about that would create a job industry. We got a big nuclear fireball in the sky that's powered the planet for billions of years and its going to do it for billions more, we have got tides that will roll and keep rolling long after were gone, humanity is capable of improving our means to harness that power and if not I'd rather live in a clean world with no fucking power than be dead because we done gone fucked up the earth.

I essentially want flowers in my hair and us all to hold hands sing songs....... Look at your fellow man give him a helping hand....

Have you been on the Underground? Most of the staff are miserable as fucking sin. As for reassuring me when one breaks down they don't trot down the carriages handing out tea and biscuits.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I have my moments!

 

My argument all along has been that the tube drivers are overpaid because of the stranglehold they've got on the capital. People have said they are highly skilled, perform a valuable safety role and are essential. They've had pay rises when everyone else is struggling, yet their organisation doesn't make any money (assuming SD is right). The people of London pay the wages, the same people who haven't had a pay rise for years in many cases. The Union doesn't give a fuck about you unless you are in the Union, which is the way it should be - don't pretend otherwise.

 

But that pay rise that Union got, benefited non Union members as well. 

 

The funny thing I find is people are quick to have a pop at the Union for striking for better pay conditions for their members and non members yet stand and take it up the arse from the Network for increasing fare rises and no better in service standard (cramped and dated trains) All because they have been inconvenienced. You mustn't inconvenience people in the fight for a workers rights.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I have my moments!

My argument all along has been that the tube drivers are overpaid because of the stranglehold they've got on the capital. People have said they are highly skilled, perform a valuable safety role and are essential. They've had pay rises when everyone else is struggling, yet their organisation doesn't make any money (assuming SD is right). The people of London pay the wages, the same people who haven't had a pay rise for years in many cases. The Union doesn't give a fuck about you unless you are in the Union, which is the way it should be - don't pretend otherwise.

Yes but energy bills have gone up for millions of people who haven't had payrises. The customers pay the wages of those who work for those companies. The energy companies don't give a fuck they only answer to their shareholders. Isn't this just the nature of things.