Strong words from Bascombe

[Byrnie]

They don't even sing his name.

[silverlining]

One of the biggest problems is it's not a rational game. It's inherently irrational. It's a game based on emotions and emotions are based on results.

 

In this country we don't see beyond that the way they do in other countries and cultures.

 

What are you talking about?

[bri5x]

I,m afraid Bascombe has gone down the Martin Samuel road of slagging liverpool off.

[kalasoma]

They don't even sing his name.

 

Do they ever sing about anyone besides us?

[Soleilrouge]

Rafa Benitez will be our manager again.

 

I know this.

 

It will be good.

[aws]

Rafa Benitez will be our manager again.

 

I know this.

 

It will be good.

 

True. All it takes is for one member of the ART to inadvertently say his name three times in front of the mirror and the die is finally cast.

[chauncey]

Google knows.

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Google knows.

 

 

Lucozade piss scandal, the real reason he left the Echo.

[Bjornebye]

alex ferguson is a piss riddled beans on toast faced taggart slurring envious cunt

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

What people need to realise is that, more often than not, owners of football clubs are a bunch of fucking wankers and this is not only true of modern football as you rightly point out. Have been watching some of the brian clough stuff recently and the shit he had to put up with was ridiculous.

Clough caused alot of his own problems with chairmen as well.

 

He thought he was bigger than the club at Derby and was arrogant in his belief they wouldnt accept his resignation.

 

Leeds was a different story as he was on aloser before he set foot through the door,with his comments about them being a dirty team and thus creating a player against him situation.

[Captain]

JohnnyH raises some important points, the premier league certainly has declined in recent years. I've a few friends who are mancs and they are completely oblivious to the Glazer situation but that will certainly change when their dominance wanes.

 

Man United should be spending £50m+ a season but fortunately for the rest of the league that is going to service their debt.

 

It makes it even more galling that we never took advantage in the 09 season and continued to build to this day, instead we bottled it and pandered to the masses and pressed the self destruct button.

 

Man U don't need to spend £50M per season.

 

Man U have the best manager in the league.

 

The Glazers will be able to carry on like they do until Ferguson dies/retires.

 

When the next manager comes in and is unable to deliver Ferguson's results, then the shit will hit the fan, not before.

 

That's undeniable of course. I wonder though if he is revered by the united fans to the extent that Shanks and Paisley are by us despite all he's achieved for them. To me anyway he doesn't appear to have achieved that venerable status with them yet like those 2 above.

 

He is clearly not revered by them like Shanks and Paisley are by us.

 

They don't even sing his name.

 

Exactly.

[Durango]

I will spell it out for you. Abramovich started mumblings of discontent after Chelsea were knocked out of the CL only six months into the Ancelotti era. Ancelotti kept his head down, concentrated on his strengths, ignored all the bollocks and speculation about his futureafter the Inter loss, won a double with his Chelsea team in his first season as manager and delivered immediate success for them breaking all kinds of records in the process with his Chelsea team racking up over a 100 goals in the league.

 

If Ancelotti hadn't have won the double in his first season the trigger happy Abramovic would have sacked him at the end of the first season but he didn't rise to it.

 

My view on Rafa is he was talenteenough like d Ancelotti to do the same to an extent. It wasn't just the owners with him thugh sadly it was a lot of senior players by the end and boy did it show in 09-10.

 

I've stayed out of this thread,

 

but it beggars belief some of the shite you post!!!!

 

the club was losing approx £100K A DAY TO THE BANKS,

 

Abramovich was pumping money IN to Chelsea,

 

Hicks and Gillett were doing the opposite!!!!!!!

[Section_31]

Man U don't need to spend £50M per season.

 

Man U have the best manager in the league.

 

The Glazers will be able to carry on like they do until Ferguson dies/retires.

 

When the next manager comes in and is unable to deliver Ferguson's results, then the shit will hit the fan, not before.

 

That's pretty much it.

[Juan Galonso]

I've stayed out of this thread,

 

but it beggars belief some of the shite you post!!!!

 

the club was losing approx £100K A DAY TO THE BANKS,

 

Abramovich was pumping money IN to Chelsea,

 

Hicks and Gillett were doing the opposite!!!!!!!

 

So that made him fall out with senior players like Alonso, Gerrard, Carragher, Benayoun, Reira all so close together and probably more. Get a grip John. If anyone is talking shite mate it's you.

 

He didn't help himself at the end by alienating himself from so many senior players. That's what I meant by boy did it show. Shame you can't see that objectively but that's your problem.

[Durango]

So that made him fall out with senior players like Alonso, Gerrard, Carragher, Benayoun, Reira all so close together and probably more. Get a grip John. If anyone is talking shite mate it's you.

 

He didn't help himself at the end by alienating himself from so many senior players. That's what I meant by boy did it show. Shame you can't see that objectively but that's your problem.

 

 

Hahaha,

 

You see the difference with you and me is this,

 

I want the best for Liverpool football,not point scoring and living in the past

 

I've moved on from Rafa,

 

You got your wish in getting rid of Rafa

 

replaced him with the worst Manager (Hodgson) we've had in modern times (appointed by your other hero little Christy Purslow),

 

as much as I like Dalglish, I never wanted him back (I'll still back him)

 

but you are without doubt, the most stubborn person I know,

 

you see no good in Benitez,

 

and it's the likes of you, who Bascombe is referring to in his article

[Juan Galonso]

Hahaha,

 

You see the difference with you and me is this,

 

I want the best for Liverpool football,not point scoring and living in the past

 

I've moved on from Rafa,

 

You got your wish in getting rid of Rafa

 

replaced him with the worst Manager (Hodgson) we've had in modern times (appointed by your other hero little Christy Purslow),

 

as much as I like Dalglish, I never wanted him back (I'll still back him)

 

but you are without doubt, the most stubborn person I know,

 

you see no good in Benitez,

 

and it's the likes of you, who Bascombe is referring to in his article

 

One word for you mate. Cracked.

 

You've moved on from Rafa but what are you still doing posting about him. Seems your no more over him than I supposedly am.

 

Rafa frustrates the fuck out of me. Talented but very high maintenance. How many times do I have to give the bloke credit. It is the good I see in Benitez which is the problem because I know he talent as a coach is (or was) better than the garbage he gave us in the last season and it wasn't ALL down to the owners no matter how you dress it up.

 

He is a football coach, if he had just concentrated on that instead of playing to the gallery and falling out with players as well as the heirachy maybe, just maybe, he may still be here today.

 

If pointscoring isn't your game John, your post smacks of it, digs at Bascombe, Purslow, Hodgson and myself. Pointscoring and then some, it is obvious you are still scorned by 2010. You are still at the anger stage of denial it seems.

 

Regarding Ancelotti, he had just won a double and was undermined by Abramovich getting players signed for him he obviously didn't want. Ditto Mourinho.

[Durango]

One word for you mate. Cracked.

 

You've moved on from Rafa but what are you still doing posting about him. Seems your no more over him than I supposedly am.

 

Rafa frustrates the fuck out of me. Talented but very high maintenance. How many times do I have to give the bloke credit. It is the good I see in Benitez which is the problem because I know he talent as a coach is (or was) better than the garbage he gave us in the last season and it wasn't ALL down to the owners no matter how you dress it up.

 

He is a football coach, if he had just concentrated on that instead of playing to the gallery and falling out with players as well as the heirachy maybe, just maybe, he may still be here today.

 

Regarding Ancelotti, he had just won a double and was undermined by Abramovich getting players signed for him he obviously didn't want. Ditto Mourinho.

 

Hahaha

 

beyond the pale that

[elvis]

One word for you mate. Cracked.

 

You've moved on from Rafa but what are you still doing posting about him. Seems your no more over him than I supposedly am.

 

Rafa frustrates the fuck out of me. Talented but very high maintenance. How many times do I have to give the bloke credit. It is the good I see in Benitez which is the problem because I know he talent as a coach is (or was) better than the garbage he gave us in the last season and it wasn't ALL down to the owners no matter how you dress it up.

 

He is a football coach, if he had just concentrated on that instead of playing to the gallery and falling out with players as well as the heirachy maybe, just maybe, he may still be here today.

 

If pointscoring isn't your game John, your post smacks of it, digs at Bascombe, Purslow, Hodgson and myself. Pointscoring and then some, it is obvious you are still scorned by 2010. You are still at the anger stage of denial it seems.

 

Regarding Ancelotti, he had just won a double and was undermined by Abramovich getting players signed for him he obviously didn't want. Ditto Mourinho.

 

 

And how was he supposed to do that exactly ?

Benitez has been hampered with useless and or self serving heirarchy for his last 3 clubs , hence the need to "do battle" with them . If he had been a little more fortunate with his presidents / chairmen over the years I think you'd be looking at one of the most wanted managers in europe.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Liverpool owner Fenway Sports Group demands explanation from Kenny Dalglish

 

Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool manager, will be required to provide a full written report to the club’s American owners at the end of the season to explain an unacceptable league slump.

 

As part of a wide-ranging review into what has gone wrong during an appalling Premier League run, Dalglish, director of football Damien Comolli and assistant manager Steve Clarke will be called upon to dispatch a thorough debrief across the Atlantic. They are under no illusions that the current position is considered far below the expectations of the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group.

 

Each senior figure will be required to provide their insight into why a season that began with aspirations to qualify for the Champions League has rapidly deteriorated.

Most significantly, the trio will be asked to provide details of how they intend to rectify the problems that have led to the alarming dip in form in the past few months. Their proposed solutions will be just as important.

 

The pressure has intensified on Dalglish in recent weeks, with the team’s results since winning the Carling Cup undermining the feelgood factor the club’s first trophy in six seasons was meant to provide.

 

Defeat by Newcastle on Sunday was the most recent in a series of low points in the league. Liverpool have lost six of their past seven league games, during which time they have gone from top-four contenders to falling below rivals Everton.

 

FSG recognises the situation needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency. There is no immediate threat to Dalglish’s position, but the imminent FA Cup semi-final with Everton, their league form and his response in the season review could decide whether the Anfield icon retains the trust of his board.

 

It is not the fact Liverpool have failed to qualify for the top four that is causing the greatest concern, but the perceived underperformance — particularly given the investment in the side last summer.

 

Privately, there is acknowledgement in Boston that aiming for the top four in Dalglish’s first season might have been too ambitious – there was a gulf between Liverpool and the Champions League clubs.

 

Liverpool’s home defeat by Arsenal a week after winning the Carling Cup was seen as the moment that top-four hopes vanished. But the disappointment was countered by consolation in knowing that the team was at least pushing hard to regain their top-four spot and were playing a better brand of football.

 

That optimism and tolerance has since evaporated owing to terrible results and erratic performances. The manner of the defeat against Newcastle, when the players appeared to give up the fight after going a goal behind, has been noted as much as the result itself.

FSG considers explanations such as bad luck and tiredness to be invalid.

 

Dalglish was appointed on a wave of popularity in Jan 2011. The club then said the decision to give him a three-year deal last May was a “no brainer” after he had transformed the form of the team and the mood at the training ground.

 

However, it was telling when the club’s principal owner, John W Henry, admitted that Dalglish was not FSG’s first choice. Combined with him having to wait for a permanent deal revealed concerns about giving him the job full time.

 

This season seemed to be going to plan following the Carling Cup win, even though there was ground to make up to the top four. Broadly speaking, there was satisfaction because the team had improved on last year.

 

Recent results and performances have dented that faith, but the damage is still considered reparable, especially with another trip to Wembley imminent.

 

FSG finds itself having to re-evaluate all aspects of the Merseyside branch of their operation. Comolli has spoken about putting in place foundations, creating a new scouting network and reviving the club’s academy, but such changes will take time before they yield results. Until then, there is no evidence that the acclaimed work behind the scenes is making any difference.

 

What can be judged is the impact of last summer’s signings and investment in the team, which has so far led to a worse league position. That is the most serious threat to Dalglish’s restoration plans.

 

For his part, Dalglish will want more investment in the squad to assist a fresh assault on the top four next season and is promising his signings will improve in their second year.

Unless he can reverse the terrible sequence of results, he will need to be at his most persuasive to convince the club’s owner that his confidence is not misplaced and he deserves more time.

 

Meanwhile, Liverpool do not intend to appeal against Pepe Reina’s red card against Newcastle, which means he will miss the FA Cup semi-final with Everton.

 

Andy Carroll is not expected to face any internal disciplinary action for reacting angrily to his substitution against his former club.

 

Link

 

Chris Bascombe in The Telegraph.

[silverlining]

"FSG considers explanations such as bad luck and tiredness to be invalid"

 

That sounds totally made up to me.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

How would Bascombe know when nothing is coming out of the club? Nothing.

 

I wouldn't expect FSG to not be asking questions, or any sane person to think otherwise.

[sir roger]

I would expect any decent management to have an end-of-year review & can't imagine Kenny et al would expect anything different.

 

Deliberately slanted to give it a 'Kenny called to the headmaster's study' vibe.

[Guest ShoePiss]

I would expect any decent management to have an end-of-year review & can't imagine Kenny et al would expect anything different.

 

Deliberately slanted to give it a 'Kenny called to the headmaster's study' vibe.

 

It does come across like that when it's a standard requirement at the end of season. It's unnecessary but will probably get more people reading it, which is the point.

[dickie mint]

I would expect any decent management to have an end-of-year review & can't imagine Kenny et al would expect anything different.

 

Deliberately slanted to give it a 'Kenny called to the headmaster's study' vibe.

 

 

What if he is not in full tracksuit and makes spelling mistakes will that go against him aswell,these cunts are just taking the piss now.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

I would expect any decent management to have an end-of-year review & can't imagine Kenny et al would expect anything different.

 

Deliberately slanted to give it a 'Kenny called to the headmaster's study' vibe.

 

Yep. Just trying to sell another story I guess.

 

Anybody with half a brain would know that Kenny'd have to give an end of season review to the owners. And would have to be explaining our poor performance this season.