Is it safe to come out yet? - by John Brennan

[Pureblood]

The season could still go truly tits up and then... then there will be a triumphant return.  That's football.

[VladimirIlyich]

The season could still go truly tits up and then... then there will be a triumphant return. That's football.

Like by selling one of your best players in the transfer window and not replacing them,maybe?

[Pureblood]

Maybe, but Klopp knows more than me so I'm not allowed to comment on that anymore.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Maybe, but Klopp knows more than me so I'm not allowed to comment on that anymore.

Who said that? You can comment until you’re coughing up blood. I was just giving my view, and what informs it. Klopp was in a position to know how Coutinho was acting. To know how to deal with the situation. If he decided that it was the best thing, I’m not going to sit here spewed our nonsense about how negligent he is, like some have; both now and in the summer. If he doesn’t want to panic buy, like he didn’t on a defender, and prefers to wait, then I’m with him. I’ve been saying we should do that for the best part of 10 years. Had somebody done it with the Torres money... anyway, you’re of course free to do whatever you want. So is Klopp, and I trust the cunt.

 

You know, that sort of thinking used to be way less controversial.

[Pureblood]

Who said that? You can comment until you’re coughing up blood. I was just giving my view, and what informs it. Klopp was in a position to know how Coutinho was acting. To know how to deal with the situation. If he decided that it was the best thing, I’m not going to sit here spewed our nonsense about how negligent he is, like some have; both now and in the summer. If he doesn’t want to panic buy, like he didn’t on a defender, and prefers to wait, then I’m with him. I’ve been saying we should do that for the best part of 10 years. Had somebody done it with the Torres money... anyway, you’re of course free to do whatever you want. So is Klopp, and I trust the cunt.

 

You know, that sort of thinking used to be way less controversial.

 

Relax, bro.   It was more of a cheeky wink in Hand Shandy's direction.

 

I was actually trying to shut down that line of conversation because I'm bored of wasting my typing power on Philippe Coutinho.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Ha, fair enough. Fuck Coutinho. Onwards and waitforsummerwards.

[Grinch]

Onwards and backwards

[Tony Moanero]

Onwards and backwards

Glorious, isn't it?

[Grinch]

Glorious, isn't it?

No.

[Brownie]

At least John was brave enough to be honest and share his views at the time. It’s really easy to keep quiet when you think that your views won’t resonate with everyone.

 

Since he wrote the article we’ve had a really good run of results, which i’m sure he’s as happy about as anyone else.

 

The more people willing to be honest with their views the better, whether everyone agrees with them or not.

[Jose Jones]

At least John was brave enough to be honest and share his views at the time. It’s really easy to keep quiet when you think that your views won’t resonate with everyone.

 

Since he wrote the article we’ve had a really good run of results, which i’m sure he’s as happy about as anyone else.

 

The more people willing to be honest with their views the better, whether everyone agrees with them or not.

Is it bravery to be an hysterical cunt?

I suppose so.

[VladimirIlyich]

At least John was brave enough to be honest and share his views at the time. It’s really easy to keep quiet when you think that your views won’t resonate with everyone.

 

Since he wrote the article we’ve had a really good run of results, which i’m sure he’s as happy about as anyone else.

 

The more people willing to be honest with their views the better, whether everyone agrees with them or not.

I think it was the timing of the article. If it had been written now it would have been a much better idea. By now I mean this stage of the season regardless of how our form was after only about a dozen matches. An overreaction back then that looks silly now. Bravery would be writing that article now or standing by those views at this moment in time. After all,it could still go tits up until the end of the season so come out and say that now and he may still be proved correct.

[ZonkoVille77]

John can go in the summer.

[3 Stacks]

At least John was brave enough to be honest and share his views at the time. It’s really easy to keep quiet when you think that your views won’t resonate with everyone.

 

Since he wrote the article we’ve had a really good run of results, which i’m sure he’s as happy about as anyone else.

 

The more people willing to be honest with their views the better, whether everyone agrees with them or not.

 

Nonsense. It takes zero courage to spew hot takes online, as proven by the incredible amount of shitty opinions you find all over social media. 

[Brownie]

I think it was the timing of the article. If it had been written now it would have been a much better idea. By now I mean this stage of the season regardless of how our form was after only about a dozen matches. An overreaction back then that looks silly now. Bravery would be writing that article now or standing by those views at this moment in time. After all,it could still go tits up until the end of the season so come out and say that now and he may still be proved correct.

To be fair to John, he wasn’t judging just a handful of games he was looking at Klopp’s full tenure for patterns, trends etc. I didn’t agree with some of the stuff at all but I also didn’t find any of it overly offensive like a few obviously did.

 

As I said at the time, I have read a lot of Johns pieces over the years so maybe i’m just used to the style.

[Brownie]

Nonsense. It takes zero courage to spew hot takes online, as proven by the incredible amount of shitty opinions you find all over social media.

Social media is absolutely horrendous at times I agree. I thought John’s piece wasn’t even in the same ball-park as that personally.

[G Richards]

Criticism is fair game, but I thought it was a bit snide, and said so earlier in the thread. Also, while I agree he was looking for a trend and so on, he took arbitrary 25 game blocks when that’s not how seasons are measured. You can make a case that we dropped a lot of points in Klopp’s first season once top four was gone and we concentrated on the cups.

 

Anyway, I’ve no beef with him at all, but I thought the tone and disrespect to the Liverpool manager was a bit snide.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Brownie, I’m not sure I agree it was brave. It was honest, but I think brave would have been not to stop writing the minute that we picked up. But even then, none of what he posted in regards to results irked me. I thought the arbitrary nature was daft, but I’ve no issue with that. I do have a big issue with him referring to our manager as a cheerleader-in-chief. Some of the shit he said in this thread and the other has made him look quite small.

[aws]

John has written lots of good stuff for the site in the past. Maybe this wasn't his best piece and (as is fairly usual) I don't agree with what he's saying but it's generated a decent debate which is the whole point of opinion pieces, isn't it?

[s(k)aturation]

John has written lots of good stuff for the site in the past. Maybe this wasn't his best piece and (as is fairly usual) I don't agree with what he's saying but it's generated a decent debate which is the whole point of opinion pieces, isn't it?

 

 

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

Nor why it's been specifically re-visited this week.

 

John could be right, he could be wrong, he could be being selective in his "facts", it might not have been especially well-written, it might be snide, it might be cynical, so what?

 

We respond, we agree/disagree.

 

It's only an opinion.

[Brownie]

Agree with Andrew and Skaro.

[G Richards]

Fair enough from me too then! It’s just an opinion, and the fella seems well respected for earlier pieces and so on.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

Nor why it's been specifically re-visited this week.

I was the one who bumped it. I did so because he was snide as fuck, calling the manager all sorts of shitty things over two threads - and deserved, in my view, to be called out on hiding away since we’ve been doing well. I don’t really take well to the whole ‘cheerleader-in-chief’ nonsense.

[s(k)aturation]

I don’t really take well to the whole ‘cheerleader-in-chief’ nonsense.

 

 

And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I have my own opinion of Jürgen's, which - with due respect - John won't change.

 

In respect of this specific reference by John B, albeit cynical, I think Klopp is a theatrical conductor of crowds and atmosphere at a ground - among many other more important things.

[Numero Veinticinco]

And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I have my own opinion of Jürgen's, which - with due respect - John won't change.

 

In respect of this specific reference by John B, albeit cynical, I think Klopp is a theatrical conductor of crowds and atmosphere at a ground - among many other more important things.

Aye, that’s how he meant it! There’s a boat load of other disparaging remarks about the manager. If it doesn’t bother you, more power to you. It bothers me, so I confronted it.