Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Captain Turdseye]

Clive Lewis follows me on Twitter so for that reason I think he should be Prime Minister. Just imagine the GF having a direct line into Number 10. We could get him to channel funds into the campaign to stop Stig fingering cats. Tax payers money could be used to ensure that breakfasts without beans are banned and anyone not complying receives a hefty fine. Repeat offenders to get jail time with a diet of beans on toast three times a day. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Clive Lewis follows me on Twitter so for that reason I think he should be Prime Minister. Just imagine the GF having a direct line into Number 10. We could get him to channel funds into the campaign to stop Stig fingering cats. Tax payers money could be used to ensure that breakfasts without beans are banned and anyone not complying receives a hefty fine. Repeat offenders to get jail time with a diet of beans on toast three times a day. 

Good luck with that 

[Captain Howdy]

2 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I’ve always thought dan Jarvis would be worth a shot. 

He doesn’t want the gig

[Mudface]

I'd gladly pay more tax if it could be hypothecated for a scheme to allow us all, not just Stig, to finger more cats. I know it's populist, but some things are just right.

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I'd gladly pay more tax if it could be hypothecated for a scheme to allow us all, not just Stig, to finger more cats. I know it's populist, but some things are just right.

Don’t worry mate, most on here wouldn’t know what to do with a pussy if it slapped them in the face 

[Gnasher]

12 hours ago, sir roger said:

Aye,the centre and the right will sort everything out with their teamworking , thank god we have been saved.

I'm just glad they are there to point out everything wrong in the world is down to Corbyn so it should be a breeze from here on in. 

Looking at the last few pages I would suggest Corbyn 's main mistake was not getting advice on setting up a cult from Keir.

 

 The word socialism does frighten some people. One prominent poster seems to want to ignore media bias and blame the 2015 election defeat on Jeremy Corbyn even though he wasnt even leader. 

 

I note the scum press have a photo of Nicola Sturgeon at a funeral wake today (classy of them) I'm no fan of Sturgeons but they have a good reason for the use of sewer tactics. No need to point to which paper. Cummings meanwhile had certain right wing journalists defending him.

 

The serious point is when the scum print media agenda start dominating the main tv election bulletins. The most recent glaring incident was the poor kid left on the corridor floor at a Leeds Hospital. A local journalist questioned Boris Johnson on the picture (it wouldn't be one the many tv and print journalists riding around in his bus would it) and the mirror put it on thier front page. As the story hit the main tv bulletins the Sun (yes it had to be them) reported a Corbyn aid punched a Conservative member outside the hospital. Both Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston ran with the sun story without checking the facts. They were the only main journalists to do so. The story of the little boy got swallowed by the alleged assault incident. The assault of course turned out to be false.

 

What's so depressing and alarming about the above story is the university report into the previous election flagged up the tv media reliance on the printed media for stories during the 2015 election (nothing to do with Corbyn) and reported the agenda was being driven by the newspapers, who are of course owned by Tory backing billionaires 

 

So Spanner can try to ignore the print media influence all he likes but until the field is leveled to make the game fairer the only choice is to continue to fight for a fairer mainstream media or move further right so as not to be a perceived threat to newspaper owners interests.

 

Anyway.. another snippet from the report.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ourbeeb/newspapers-not-bbc-led-way-in-biased-election-coverage/

[Gnasher]

22 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 The word socialism does frighten some people. One prominent poster seems to want to ignore media bias and blame the 2015 election defeat on Jeremy Corbyn even though he wasnt even leader. 

 

I note the scum press have a photo of Nicola Sturgeon at a funeral wake today (classy of them) I'm no fan of Sturgeons but they have a good reason for the use of sewer tactics. No need to point to which paper. Cummings meanwhile had certain right wing journalists defending him.

 

The serious point is when the scum print media agenda start dominating the main tv election bulletins. The most recent glaring incident was the poor kid left on the corridor floor at a Leeds Hospital. A local journalist questioned Boris Johnson on the picture (it wouldn't be one the many tv and print journalists riding around in his bus would it) and the mirror put it on thier front page. As the story hit the main tv bulletins the Sun (yes it had to be them) reported a Corbyn aid punched a Conservative member outside the hospital. Both Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston ran with the sun story without checking the facts. They were the only main journalists to do so. The story of the little boy got swallowed by the alleged assault incident. The assault of course turned out to be false.

Sorry forgot link

 

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-and-itv-political-editors-apologise-for-false-hospital-punch-claim-in-tweets/

22 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

What's so depressing and alarming about the above story is the university report into the previous election flagged up the tv media reliance on the printed media for stories during the 2015 election (nothing to do with Corbyn) and reported the agenda was being driven by the newspapers, who are of course owned by Tory backing billionaires 

 

So Spanner can try to ignore the print media influence all he likes but until the field is leveled to make the game fairer the only choice is to continue to fight for a fairer mainstream media or move further right so as not to be a perceived threat to newspaper owners interests.

 

Anyway.. another snippet from the report.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ourbeeb/newspapers-not-bbc-led-way-in-biased-election-coverage/

 

[sir roger]

14 hours ago, Numero said:

Wow. You take Corbyn criticism so personally. As for this mythical ‘right’, of course they’re not going to have plain sailing from here on out. These children of Thatcher still have to clear up the mess Corbyn’s regime left behind. 

All 4 years of it, with over 2 years with the previous Gen Sec and the great majority of it with a majority centrist NEC. Good to see you getting the excuses in early.

 

As for the rubbish about Corbyn, I have criticised his leadership skills at length on here  (as opposed to your constant rimming of Starmer ) and am not particularly bothered about him being in the party or not at this point, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with patronising shite on here blaming the left for everything and people ignoring the fact that a Labour leader's response to a decision of his which a poll suggested had split the membership down the middle was to ban any discussion and start tossing long time members out of the party.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, sir roger said:

All 4 years of it, with over 2 years with the previous Gen Sec and the great majority of it with a majority centrist NEC. Good to see you getting the excuses in early.

 

As for the rubbish about Corbyn, I have criticised his leadership skills at length on here  (as opposed to your constant rimming of Starmer ) and am not particularly bothered about him being in the party or not at this point, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with patronising shite on here blaming the left for everything and people ignoring the fact that a Labour leader's response to a decision of his which a poll suggested had split the membership down the middle was to ban any discussion and start tossing long time members out of the party.

What excuses? Stop making things up. I’ve said many times that Starmer is responsible for everything he does. What rimming? Stop making things up. It makes you look like a twat. You already look like a defensive, cultist weirdo who takes everything personally when Corbyn gets criticised, there’s no need to make things up. It’s only when you are in a warped, cultists mentality that you see any objective facts as ‘rimming’. 
 

I’m simply saying it won’t be smooth sailing. The disgraceful state the party was left by Corbyn’s administration ensures that. Starmer knew that, it’s on him to fix it and win the election or get into power via a coalition. If he doesn’t, he will be a failure and can fuck off. He means nothing to me. I want the Tories out. I just want them out more than I want Corbyn’s honour protected on the Internet. 

[Gnasher]

I get the vibe 'Corbyn' could be the new 'anti semitism'. Any debate about Labour just shout 'Corbyn'

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

I get the vibe 'Corbyn' could be the new 'anti semitism'. Any debate about Labour just shout 'Corbyn'

How would that work? He’s gone. Only the stains of the last few years still remain. 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Numero said:

What excuses? Stop making things up. I’ve said many times that Starmer is responsible for everything he does. What rimming? Stop making things up. It makes you look like a twat. You already look like a defensive, cultist weirdo who takes everything personally when Corbyn gets criticised, there’s no need to make things up. It’s only when you are in a warped, cultists mentality that you see any objective facts as ‘rimming’. 
 

I’m simply saying it won’t be smooth sailing. The disgraceful state the party was left by Corbyn’s administration ensures that. Starmer knew that, it’s on him to fix it and win the election or get into power via a coalition. If he doesn’t, he will be a failure and can fuck off. He means nothing to me. I want the Tories out. I just want them out more than I want Corbyn’s honour protected on the Internet. 

"The disgraceful state of the party" not sure about that one Numero. If you'd have concentrated on the terrible election results then I'd agree. The party has nearly a half a million members and although it could be in better health I hardly think it's on its knees.

 

It appears you're more engulfed with the ghost of Corbs than the the acolytes you keep referring to. You blaming Corbyn for the sunshine, the moonlight and the boogie next.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Numero said:

How would that work? He’s gone. Only the stains of the last few years still remain. 

Spanner seems to do a good job at it. 

[Vincent Vega]

I suspect this thread is quite common amongst many older lifetime Labour voters and is what Starmer is now up against. I think some of those former “red wall” seats are gone for now.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

29 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

"The disgraceful state of the party" not sure about that one Numero. If you'd have concentrated on the terrible election results then I'd agree. The party has nearly a half a million members and although it could be in better health I hardly think it's on its knees.

 

It appears you're more engulfed with the ghost of Corbs than the the acolytes you keep referring to. You blaming Corbyn for the sunshine, the moonlight and the boogie next.

Of course it’s in a state. The terrible election result that leaves an impotent opposition in terms of voting power, a horribly disunited party, and an antisemitism crisis. These things are lingering stains. These aren’t solely the fault of just one person, but there’s no doubt that the party the Corbyn and his team left is in a state. Starmer might well make things worse, we don’t know yet. At the moment it seems to be a ‘don’t lose an election’ mode. They know they can’t win it yet. They know that a load of people voted for the Tories so for a number of years will back them no matter what. We have no idea what his policy platform is going to look like, how capable he and his team will communicate and sell those ideas, etc. What we do know is that Corbyn and his team didn’t do that well enough and that things for the Labour Party are pretty shitty. Starmer knew how shorty the inheritance was when he took over, so there’s no sympathy from me. I’m just not willing to deny how shitty it was because it’s clearly shitty. It’s his job to fix it enough to win an election. If he can’t, he’s of absolutely no use to me and get fucked off for somebody with a better chance. 

[Captain Turdseye]

If he does fuck off, what will you put up in the space on your wall where your life-sized cardboard cut out of Sir Kier is hanging. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

If he does fuck off, what will you put up in the space on your wall where your life-sized cardboard cut out of Sir Kier is hanging. 

Depends on who the media tell me I like this week. 

[Captain Turdseye]

1 minute ago, Numero said:

Depends on who the media tell me I like this week. 

Marcus Rashford!

 

*gasps*

[Rico1304]

Right Jeremy, can you help us with the vaccine and make sure as many people as possible take it up? There’s all sorts of bollocks flying about so something vanilla will do. 
 

Sure, I can tweet if you want?

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

10 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 The word socialism does frighten some people. One prominent poster seems to want to ignore media bias and blame the 2015 election defeat on Jeremy Corbyn even though he wasnt even leader. 

 

I note the scum press have a photo of Nicola Sturgeon at a funeral wake today (classy of them) I'm no fan of Sturgeons but they have a good reason for the use of sewer tactics. No need to point to which paper. Cummings meanwhile had certain right wing journalists defending him.

 

The serious point is when the scum print media agenda start dominating the main tv election bulletins. The most recent glaring incident was the poor kid left on the corridor floor at a Leeds Hospital. A local journalist questioned Boris Johnson on the picture (it wouldn't be one the many tv and print journalists riding around in his bus would it) and the mirror put it on thier front page. As the story hit the main tv bulletins the Sun (yes it had to be them) reported a Corbyn aid punched a Conservative member outside the hospital. Both Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston ran with the sun story without checking the facts. They were the only main journalists to do so. The story of the little boy got swallowed by the alleged assault incident. The assault of course turned out to be false.

 

What's so depressing and alarming about the above story is the university report into the previous election flagged up the tv media reliance on the printed media for stories during the 2015 election (nothing to do with Corbyn) and reported the agenda was being driven by the newspapers, who are of course owned by Tory backing billionaires 

 

So Spanner can try to ignore the print media influence all he likes but until the field is leveled to make the game fairer the only choice is to continue to fight for a fairer mainstream media or move further right so as not to be a perceived threat to newspaper owners interests.

 

Anyway.. another snippet from the report.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ourbeeb/newspapers-not-bbc-led-way-in-biased-election-coverage/

Hi,

 

If you are going to act the clown at least juggle balls and not ideas.

 

Go back, re-read the thing you said you didn’t read, ironic given your history of not reading things which you provide which contradict your argument as you’d not read it. Now, if you did read it you’d realise I said nothing of the fucking sort, are your comprehension skills really this bad? If you didn’t read it how the fuck can you comment, either way you’ve made yourself look like an imbecile.

 

The argument is the ‘media’ are privately owned, minus the BBC & C4, so why the fuck should they support a socialist agenda? There is legislation in place to stop the worst excesses, but as they are private entities that have their own agenda, no matter what we think of that and the inherent distortion of democracy that brings, they can do as they please within the legislative framework, and you are free to complain if you think they have broken this. These are the rules of the game, that’s what signed up to and no matter how much pathetic remonstration we scream it doesn’t change a fucking thing. They can do as they wish as that’s the system that is the current system, again, rightly or wrongly. Some of the BBC reporting was awful, but the right wing would also claim this.

 

It is up to ‘us’ to use whatever means we have to break that wall, own the narrative and change effectively when/if we get in to power.

 

Secondary to this, though I’m bored of typing the mans fucking name, Corbyn, a man I supported, campaigned for, voted for and  hoped could succeed led a disastrous campaign and the sooner we accept that and move on we can start to forge a new path, some are cling on for dear life though for this idea of him that doesn’t really exist. People created their own version of Corbyn, filled with their own hopes and prejudices, and projected their wants on to this. They didn’t really reflect the actuality of the situation and you have people who seem genuinely shell shocked that the public rejected them, but don’t have any reflective skills to start to unpick why? 

 

We have no divine right to win or to ‘save’ people as we believe we’re the good guys, that’s just not how it fucking works and the sooner people come to terms with that and see that there is a way of instilling socialist ideas and values without making the kids sing the international every morning, burning down private schools and seizing control of the means of production, the better.

 

I would quite like to be front line in a violent overthrow though if it comes to getting all pure commie.

 

Bye.

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Hi,

 

If you are going to act the clown at least juggle balls and not ideas.

 

Go back, re-read the thing you said you didn’t read, ironic given your history of not reading things which you provide which contradict your argument as you’d not read it. Now, if you did read it you’d realise I said nothing of the fucking sort, are your comprehension skills really this bad? If you didn’t read it how the fuck can you comment, either way you’ve made yourself look like an imbecile.

 

The argument is the ‘media’ are privately owned, minus the BBC & C4, so why the fuck should they support a socialist agenda? There is legislation in place to stop the worst excesses, but as they are private entities that have their own agenda, no matter what we think of that and the inherent distortion of democracy that brings, they can do as they please within the legislative framework, and you are free to complain if you think they have broken this. These are the rules of the game, that’s what signed up to and no matter how much pathetic remonstration we scream it doesn’t change a fucking thing. They can do as they wish as that’s the system that is the current system, again, rightly or wrongly. Some of the BBC reporting was awful, but the right wing would also claim this.

 

It is up to ‘us’ to use whatever means we have to break that wall, own the narrative and change effectively when/if we get in to power.

 

Secondary to this, though I’m bored of typing the mans fucking name, Corbyn, a man I supported, campaigned for, voted for and  hoped could succeed led a disastrous campaign and the sooner we accept that and move on we can start to forge a new path, some are cling on for dear life though for this idea of him that doesn’t really exist. People created their own version of Corbyn, filled with their own hopes and prejudices, and projected their wants on to this. They didn’t really reflect the actuality of the situation and you have people who seem genuinely shell shocked that the public rejected them, but don’t have any reflective skills to start to unpick why? 

 

We have no divine right to win or to ‘save’ people as we believe we’re the good guys, that’s just not how it fucking works and the sooner people come to terms with that and see that there is a way of instilling socialist ideas and values without making the kids sing the international every morning, burning down private schools and seizing control of the means of production, the better.

 

I would quite like to be front line in a violent overthrow though if it comes to getting all pure commie.

 

Bye.

 

 

 

 

Oh well seems Numero read it, I nodded off.

[Bruce Spanner]

14 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Oh well seems Numero read it, I nodded off.

Oh, have you been shown up again. It’s becoming a bit of a habit, isn’t it?

 

That’s a shame.

 

Same time next week when you slope back in saying the same stupid shit and get slapped down again?

[Gnasher]

34 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Oh, have you been shown up again. It’s becoming a bit of a habit, isn’t it?

 

That’s a shame.

 

Same time next week when you slope back in saying the same stupid shit and get slapped down again?

You really are a lemon. At least you kept your latest dross short. Rico repped you, birds of a feather an all that, political bedfellows.

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, Gnasher said:

You really are a lemon. At least you kept your latest dross short. Rico repped you, birds of a feather an all that, political bedfellows.

 

Is that literally all you could muster?

 

Pathetic.

 

Stop shouting before you've learned how to speak properly.

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Is that literally all you could muster?

 

Pathetic.

 

Stop shouting before you've learned how to speak properly.

Far right Tory.