Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

 

 There has to be a physical border.

 

57 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Well, there's no border at the moment, so it's perfectly possible.

Pesky reality, getting in the way of Boss's arguments again. 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I seen that too. I actually felt sorry for him the longer he went on and I just don't think he's the person to lead Labour into the next GE. After that last night I'd bet some of those on the benches with him were thinking the same.

All that shouting and heckling is embarrassing anyway but the Tories take it to another level with Corbyn. Its pretty much bullying because Corbyn isn't a bully boy at all. Imagine what it will be like if we need up with a Tory speaker of the house replacing Bercow. I've had more civilised pub fights than the house of commons. 

[Megadrive Man]

Its been a good few weeks for Corbyn, but a part of me does wonder how much longer he will stay as leader now.

 

He's 70 years old, and he's been on the front line of these constant media smears for 5 years now and it must take its toll on anybody.

 

I think I've mentioned this before, but I've always felt that it had to be a two step plan to get a left leaning Labour back in to power. They need a younger person with less 'history' and less for the media to try and smear them with, although I'm sure they'll think of something.  Somebody to build on the work Corbyn has done and finish the job.  

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, MegadriveMan said:

Its been a good few weeks for Corbyn, but a part of me does wonder how much longer he will stay as leader now.

 

He's 70 years old, and he's been on the front line of these constant media smears for 5 years now and it must take its toll on anybody.

 

I think I've mentioned this before, but I've always felt that it had to be a two step plan to get a left leaning Labour back in to power. They need a younger person with less 'history' and less for the media to try and smear them with, although I'm sure they'll think of something.  Somebody to build on the work Corbyn has done and finish the job.  

He could have closed this 6 months ago. I love him to bits but have said for ages, he is not a leader and will never be elected it in this country I don't think. 

[Megadrive Man]

He's not a natural leader, although I think he's really grown in to the role. 

[Dougie Do'ins]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

All that shouting and heckling is embarrassing anyway but the Tories take it to another level with Corbyn. Its pretty much bullying because Corbyn isn't a bully boy at all. Imagine what it will be like if we need up with a Tory speaker of the house replacing Bercow. I've had more civilised pub fights than the house of commons. 

I agree with all that. Kinell, that last night was like watching Questiontime on angel dust. Fuck only knows what the rest of the watching world must think.

 

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

11 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I think I've mentioned this before, but I've always felt that it had to be a two step plan to get a left leaning Labour back in to power. They need a younger person with less 'history' and less for the media to try and smear them with, although I'm sure they'll think of something.  Somebody to build on the work Corbyn has done and finish the job.  

Andy Burnham ?

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Andy Burnham ?

Finally someone else who agrees with me? 

[Jairzinho]

It can't be anyone that abstained on that welfare bill and/or has spent the last three years doing their utmost to ensure there isn't a socialist government.

 

Or hundreds of thousands of members will clear off and the chances of winning the next election will be nil.

[Boss]

Your best bet is Hilary Benn.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

Your best bet is Hilary Benn.

Aah the Hammersmith Hard-Knock himself. 

[Jairzinho]

No it isn't.

 

Might have been 15 years ago.

[Boss]

He has the power of oratory. He has the legacy of his father. He's not as left wing as Corbyn, granted, but that's not a bad thing. The media won't attack him as vociferously.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

[Section_31]

19 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

It can't be anyone that abstained on that welfare bill and/or has spent the last three years doing their utmost to ensure there isn't a socialist government.

 

Or hundreds of thousands of members will clear off and the chances of winning the next election will be nil.

It's gonna be Starmer and Jarvis in a Kemp Krays film style set up. Starmer will come in peace, and Jarvis will be stood behind him holding a butterfly knife.

[Dougie Do'ins]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Finally someone else who agrees with me? 

TBH, I wouldn't recognise 90% of Labour MPs if they passed me in the street. Because of the role AB plays in northern politics I probably see and hear more of him than anyone else. When he do hear him, he gets my attention and I like the way he comes across.

 

I remember back when Neil Kinnock was leader of the Labour party and the Tories were in a bit of a mess in the last year or so of Thatcher's leadership. They replaced her with John Major and Kinnock later said something along the lines of, 'as soon a they replaced her, I knew any chance we had of winning the next GE had gone'.

 

I know some people have a dying allegiance to JC but for the sake of today's Labour party, I think they would benefit massively from a change of leader. 

[Megadrive Man]

1 minute ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I know some people have a dying allegiance to JC but for the sake of today's Labour party, I think they would benefit massively from a change of leader. 

If its Corbyn's decision to step down and he endorses a new candidate then it'll be fine. Even his most hardcore fans must realise that he can't go on for ever?

[Jairzinho]

15 minutes ago, Boss said:

He has the power of oratory. He has the legacy of his father. He's not as left wing as Corbyn, granted, but that's not a bad thing. The media won't attack him as vociferously.

The legacy of his father won't help him. People will wonder why the apple fell in another fucking field.

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

 

I know some people have a dying allegiance to JC but for the sake of today's Labour party, I think they would benefit massively from a change of leader. 

Do they?

 

[Gnasher]

"Protecting the European way of life" 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-european-commission-protecting-our-way-of-life-migration-and-security/

 

 

What is this shit? Protected from what?  Africans? South Americans? Asians? Our good ol European values?

 

What must we be protected from by this stupid cunt from the EU?

[Boss]

If Corbyn loses the next election what's the consensus from his supporters? Should he still be backed or should someone else take over?

[Megadrive Man]

Benn would be a bad choice. Not sure about Burnham. My gut feeling with him is that he would do a bit of a Blair and move closer to the centre.

[Dougie Do'ins]

9 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

If its Corbyn's decision to step down and he endorses a new candidate then it'll be fine. Even his most hardcore fans must realise that he can't go on for ever?

It'd be interesting to see if and how many peoples views have changed in the three and a bit years since the JC thread with poll was started. Giver or take a fraction, the poll currently stands around  65% Yes 35% No

 

I actually think the Tories are glad JC is still the leader of the LP. They'd shit a brick if he were replaced with someone else.

[Megadrive Man]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

If Corbyn loses the next election what's the consensus from his supporters? Should he still be backed or should someone else take over?

 

Ultimately it depends on him and how long he wants to keep going for. I think it probably would be time for a change but would support him either way.

[Gnasher]

Benn wanted to unleash hell.on the innocent people of Syria. He should never hold a post of high office.