Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[lifetime fan]

Disgusting that Col. Can't say I'm surprised though.

 

They recently "lost" the medical certificate one of my clients sent them. Which might not have been so bad if it wasn't the third time.

 

 

As I said erlier in the thread we stated Carly could walk 30m knowing the new criteria was 20m.

 

We never once tried to fiddle the system.

 

They wanted to fuck us on that though.

 

It's policy and until I see eveidence otherwise I'm convinced it's an attack on the weakest.

[Gym Beglin]

Sorry funny, my dog stood on the lap top and negged you before I could finish my comment. I wouldn't want you to miss out;

 

 

'You don't have a fucking clue. Roll up that copy of the Daily Mail and stick it up your shitter sideways'.

 

Sorry, by welfare I don't mean those people with real medical issues. I don't like the term welfare for health-related incapacity, and I don't think it's fair to bunch the sick together with the unemployed.

 

That's not a climb down either, I genuinely think the state should care for those who need REAL help, it's inhuman to claim otherwise.

 

Less of the fucking snarl.

[torahboy]

These cretins in government are waging a class war. A largely unintelligent but avowedly fascist mentality. supported by the power seeking 'pragmatists' of the Cleggite tendency, has supplanted any rational notion of a government representing a nation. The coterie of financial Machiavellis, all financial backers of Cameron's cunts, are now in complete control of government policy.

 

The slapdash rush to implement half arsed policies that are designed to undermine, and ultimately destroy, institutions designed to assist the most needy in our society illustrates the urgency of capital's need to destroy its perceived, and actual, enemies. Yet that very determination to obliterate the notion of mercy and humanity in society brings with it a reaction that will destroy the authors of that dogma of greed.

 

Class war, though, can be waged by both sides. And, in the coming months and years, the situation will worsen for the already badly off and a reaction will come; a reaction that must be encouraged and supported by anyone who finds this government's actions beyond humane reason.

 

Fucking, cunting cunt of a government.

[KopOut]

With each year that goes by, our ability to do more with less, ultimately leads us to an end result of doing just about everything with bugger all. Science and technology and their efficiency gains see to this.

 

So the question remains: what do we do with the people along the way to this brave new world, who end up on the scrap heap? Kill them, or pay them to consume?

[Nightcat]

Your chancellor of Exchequer, that Osborne fella, has he ever worked in his life? A real job I mean? I read your budget, the deficit, the debt. He's doing a really bad job. He has no plan. If that guy was a football manager and he was so incompetent, he would get fired. Yet in politics...

 

He is also surrounded by an army of incompetent people who have been appointed on the basis of.....? I remember Chloe Smith, the economic secretary to the treasury getting ridiculed on TV by Jeremy Paxman for being cluless. Where did Cameron find all those people?

 

Why don't you just pick an accountant from the City to be your finance minister? There is plenty of talent in there... Those guys eat an Osborne and a Cameron for Breakfast.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

 

Carly was too fucking ill to fill out the forms at the beginning, I had to fill them out for her, christ I even forged her signature on the first form as she couldn't stop shitting the bed.

 

Touching story, LF, but those at the very top need the money for new boats and cars. This poor government have to find some way of raising the cash to give themselves £100,000 tax cut. Sorry, but they need it more.

 

I actually wouldn't piss on Osborne, Cameron, IDS, Gove, et al., if they were on fire.

[zigackly]

actually wouldn't piss on Osborne, Cameron, IDS, Gove, et al., if they were on fire.

 

I might. If I was sure I could survive drinking liquid paraffin.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It might come as a surprise to many, but that's likely because the benefit changes are very popular.

This sort of reaffirms my point about the need for Labour to act like an Opposition. People are routinely spoonfed lies and scapegoating - blaming the poor for their poverty - and it is going unchallenged. It's not surprising that a large number of them are prepared to believe lies.

 

BBC iPlayer - Watch Live - BBC One

Here's Prof. Jon Tonge (from 6.40 am) talking about the support for Osborne: the crucial point, for me, is that public surveys show that people believe 27% of benefit is being claimed fraudulently, when the true figure is less than 1%. If people were given facts about this Tory Government's attacks on the poor and the working class, would there still be the levels of support reported by the right wing media, such as The Spectator? Shouldn't journalists be routinely challenging bullshit with facts? Isn't that their job?

 

This country is not a democracy.

[Scooby Dudek]

Poverty is not caused by men and women getting married; it's not caused by machinery; it's not caused by "over-production"; it's not caused by drink or laziness; and it's not caused by "over-population". It's caused by Private Monopoly. That is the present system. They have monopolized everything that it is possible to monopolize; they have got the whole earth, the minerals in the earth and the streams that water the earth. The only reason they have not monopolized the daylight and the air is that it is not possible to do it. If it were possible to construct huge gasometers and to draw together and compress within them the whole of the atmosphere, it would have been done long ago, and we should have been compelled to work for them in order to get money to buy air to breathe. And if that seemingly impossible thing were accomplished tomorrow, you would see thousands of people dying for want of air - or of the money to buy it - even as now thousands are dying for want of the other necessities of life. You would see people going about gasping for breath, and telling each other that the likes of them could not expect to have air to breathe unless they had the money to pay for it. Most of you here, for instance, would think and say so. Even as you think at present that it's right for so few people to own the Earth, the Minerals and the Water, which are all just as necessary as is the air. In exactly the same spirit as you now say: "It's Their Land," "It's Their Water," "It's Their Coal," "It's Their Iron," so you would say "It's Their Air," "These are their gasometers, and what right have the likes of us to expect them to allow us to breathe for nothing?" And even while he is doing this the air monopolist will be preaching sermons on the Brotherhood of Man; he will be dispensing advice on "Christian Duty" in the Sunday magazines; he will give utterance to numerous more or less moral maxims for the guidance of the young. And meantime, all around, people will be dying for want of some of the air that he will have bottled up in his gasometers. And when you are all dragging out a miserable existence, gasping for breath or dying for want of air, if one of your number suggests smashing a hole in the side of one of the gasometers, you will all fall upon him in the name of law and order, and after doing your best to tear him limb from limb, you'll drag him, covered with blood, in triumph to the nearest Police Station and deliver him up to "justice" in the hope of being given a few half-pounds of air for your trouble.”

 

― Robert Tressell, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists

[Gym Beglin]

Yep.

 

I've often thought the same thing, who the fuck gives oil companies 'rights' to oil? It's our fucking planet, it's a natural resource, but I'd get shot or put in prison for trying to take my fair share of it from them.

 

The proliferation of zombie films is prophetic, but instead of zombies it will be hungry humans trying to rip the capitalists apart, roaming the earth in packs of thousands.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Sorry, by welfare I don't mean those people with real medical issues. I don't like the term welfare for health-related incapacity, and I don't think it's fair to bunch the sick together with the unemployed.

 

That's not a climb down either, I genuinely think the state should care for those who need REAL help, it's inhuman to claim otherwise.

 

Less of the fucking snarl.

 

To be fair, if you had explained the above in your original post, there would be no snarl.

 

I was close to jumping on that post but read this before I negged your sorry ass.

[Lee909]

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week

 

Petition for Ian Duncan Smith to live on £53 a week.

 

Absolutely pointless.

If anything it will give the pricks more ammunition.Everyone can live on £53 week for a couple of weeks.Its when the kids need new school wear or the car breaks down etc that the challenge starts.

 

Politicians are the same,no matter what party they are in.Same prick different colour rosette and tie.The sad thing is most of the population just eat up the soundbites

[Skidfingers McGonical]

10 lies we're told about welfare.

 

Has someone made Jim Royle a policy adviser? Millions are being made poorer while we're fobbed off with porkies

 

Welfare reform, my arse. Has Jim Royle parked his chair, feet up, telly on, in the corridors between the Treasury and the Department for Work and Pensions? Employing him as adviser can be the only explanation for the utter rubbish that boils forth from this government on welfare.

 

Who else could have dreamed up the bedroom tax, a policy so stupid it forces people to leave their homes and drag themselves around the country in search of nonexistent one-bedroom flats?

 

That one has to be the result of too many hours in front of Jeremy Kyle (no offence) with the heating on full and a can of super-strength lager. It seems as if that is how this government views ordinary people: feckless and useless – poor, because they brought it on themselves, deliberately.

 

Maybe the cabinet is confused. Twenty-three millionaires in the one room can get like that. But do you know what, enough. Let's call this government's welfare policy what it is – wrong, nasty and dishonest.

 

Off the top of my head, I can list 10 porkies they are spinning to justify the latest stage of their attack on our 70-year-old welfare state.

 

1. Benefits are too generous

 

Really? Could you live on £53 a week as Iain Duncan Smith is claiming he could if he had to? Then imagine handing back 14% of this because the government deems you have a "spare room". Could you find the money to pay towards council tax and still afford to eat at the end of the week?

 

2. Benefits are going up

 

They're not. A 1% "uprating" cap is really a cut. Inflation is at least 2.7% . Essentials like food, fuel and transport are all up by at least that, in many cases far more. Benefits are quickly falling behind the cost of living.

 

3. Jobs are out there, if people look

 

Where? Unemployment rose last month and is at 2.5 million, with one million youngsters out of work. When Costa Coffee advertised eight jobs, 1,701 applied.

 

4. The bedroom tax won't hit army families or foster carers

 

Yes it will. Perhaps most cruel of all, the tax will not apply to foster families who look after one kid. If you foster siblings, then tough. But these kids are often the hardest to place. Thanks to George Osborne and IDS, their chances just got worse. And even if your son or daughter is in barracks in Afghanistan, then don't expect peace of mind as the government still has to come clean on plans for their bedroom.

 

5. Social tenants can downsize

 

 

Really, where? Councils sold their properties – and Osborne wants them to sell what's left. Housing associations built for families. In Hull, there are 5,500 people told to chase 70 one-bedroom properties.

 

6. Housing benefit is the problem

 

In fact it's rental costs. Private rents shot up by an average of £300 last year. No wonder 5 million people need housing benefits, but they don't keep a penny. It all goes to landlords.

 

7. Claimants are pulling a fast one

 

No. Less than 1% of the welfare budget is lost to fraud. But tax avoidance and evasion is estimated to run to £120bn.

 

8. It's those teenage single mums

 

An easy target. Yet only 2% of single mums are teenagers. And most single mums, at least 59%, work.

 

9. We're doing this for the next generation

 

No you're not. The government's admitted at least 200,000 more children will be pushed deeper into poverty because of the welfare changes.

 

10. Welfare reforms are just about benefit cuts

 

Wrong. The attack on our welfare state is hitting a whole range of services – privatising the NHS, winding up legal aid for people in debt and closing SureStart centres and libraries. All this will make life poorer for every community.

 

Some call these myths. I call them lies. We are being told lies about who caused this crisis and lied to about the best way out of it. But I know one thing to be true: this government's polices will make millions of people poorer and more afraid. To do that when you do not have to, when there are other options, is obscene. That's why I'm backing union Unite's OurWelfareWorks campaign in its efforts to help highlight the truth about our welfare state.

 

10 lies we're told about welfare | Ricky Tomlinson | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

[Bobby Hundreds]

He'll manage it for a week knowing smugly it will be over and he'll go back to his sprawling mansion. Most people can survive on minimal its not about just surviving, the people who are meant to run the country for the benefit of the majority are busy lining their own pockets and those of their chums, when their stint is done they get a big corporate job. They should be jailed for treason. What they want is to keep earning big bucks to put proper education, health care and legal aid out of the price range of the plebs, they want people to just about struggle through life enough to make, deliver provide the services that make their lives comfortable. They will milk the masses for everything they can abuse the funds and work provided byus then blame us and punish us for the mistakes their gluttony and power have caused.

 

I say fuck them all.

[Strontium]

Don't worry, I'm sure Labour will reverse it all.

[Pureblood]

I bet the waitresses at Costa are fit. Imagine choosing from thousands of them.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Don't worry, I'm sure Labour will reverse it all.

 

Just like the Coalition were going to undo all the bad nasty work Labour had apparently done? You know and I know this problem goes back a lot further than that. About 30 years back.

 

If anything they have undone all the good work Labour had done and then added some more bad shit on top of it.

 

I personally don't think any party actually stands for the people any more.

 

Now if someone like Steve Rotherham was thrust in to front bench politics, then maybe I would be more inclined to feel that the party I chose to vote for was actually thinking about the people and not the money men.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I bet the waitresses at Costa are fit. Imagine choosing from thousands of them.

 

I can guarantee you they are not.

 

Loads of fitties in the dole queue though.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Don't worry, I'm sure Labour will reverse it all.

 

you're an odious Lib/Dem/Con cunt. Live in the real world and stop pretending you're something you're not. A man. Succint and to the point I think you'll agree. Now fuck off and laugh at some homeless people.

[RedRazor]

This sort of reaffirms my point about the need for Labour to act like an Opposition. People are routinely spoonfed lies and scapegoating - blaming the poor for their poverty - and it is going unchallenged. It's not surprising that a large number of them are prepared to believe lies.

 

BBC iPlayer - Watch Live - BBC One

Here's Prof. Jon Tonge (from 6.40 am) talking about the support for Osborne: the crucial point, for me, is that public surveys show that people believe 27% of benefit is being claimed fraudulently, when the true figure is less than 1%. If people were given facts about this Tory Government's attacks on the poor and the working class, would there still be the levels of support reported by the right wing media, such as The Spectator? Shouldn't journalists be routinely challenging bullshit with facts? Isn't that their job?

 

This country is not a democracy.

 

I could argue that the problems exist because we are a democracy. Admitedly the choices today appear to be Tory, Tory with a twist of socialism, Tory with a dash of liberalism or Tory with an EU fixation.

 

Because they are always looking forward to the next election the opportunity to try to make any real changes is only open in the first half of any term of government. After that they have to go into election winning mode.

 

The election itself is decided by a very small proportion of the electorate in the battleground seats. Each party has their safe havens that very rarely fail to elect the candidate of the same party every time. Within each of the battleground seats there are a proportion of the electorate that will vote the same way come hell or high water. So the election is decided by that small number of floating voters in these key marginals.

 

All governments will be acutely aware of the issues that matter to this small group of voters when formulating policy - and largely that is the policy we get.

 

IMO the whole welfare system is not fit for purpose and lost its way many years ago. It has grown beyond its original purpose. The concept of universal benefits such as child benefit, winter fuel allowances, free TV licences etc irrespective of the financial circumstances of the people receiving them is not what I think the welfare system should be about. All it achieves is to redirect benefits away from the people who really need them. Will it ever be tackled? Not while we have politicians who have any ambition to win the next election.

My view is that there should only be one benefit that is applied for and assessed on the needs of an indivual household and should be enough to ensure that anyone living in that household has food, warmth and a relative degree of comfort. It needs to be less formulaic and more pragmatic.

 

I would also question whether or not the government should pay JSA. It is so low that it is almost irrelevant in modern society yet it persists to create an illusion of security (should you lose your job) that it doesn't come anywhere near delivering. Keep the job centres but their sole role should be to help bring employers and unemployed together.

 

Tax credits? I just don't understand the logic- why tax the shit out of someone then give it them back via a state hand out? Tax them less or pay them more - if necessary increase the minimum wage.

 

Paying the state pension currently accounts for about 15% of all government receipts and will increase. When it was first introduced it was a fraction of this. Still not one penny has been invested in any sort of fund to support it. It really is ostrich like behaviour from successive governments over the last 50 years who have failed to address this. The same also applies to the myriad pension "funds" operated on behalf of civil servants. The majority of which are completely unfunded. About 15% of the Dept of Health budget goes to pay for pensions for ex-NHS staff. The government of the day just keep accepting the increasing liability.

 

Is it right for the government to cut the top rate of tax? I don't know. I think it is morally reprehensible to award very wealthy people even greater wealth at a time when they are asking everyone else to tighten their belts. Logically it all depends on your view of things like the Laffer Curve and whether or not you believe that the 50% rate had gone beyond the optimum rate of tax. If you do then cutting the rate is the right thing to do for the country as a whole.

 

But we won't see anyone attempting to tackle these issues while there is an election to be won.

[Thomo123]

Don't worry' date=' I'm sure Labour will reverse it all.[/quote']

 

What a fucking pleb you are. Do you even care? Labour won't solve all our problems, that's blatantly obvious but what they won't do is go on a crusade against the poorest of society.

 

I'm a lover not a fighter but if you came out with that smug bitter shite in front of me I would happily slap you to the ground you snivelling little weasel.

[VladimirIlyich]

 

What a fucking pleb you are. Do you even care? Labour won't solve all our problems' date=' that's blatantly obvious but what they won't do is go on a crusade against the poorest of society.

 

I'm a lover not a fighter but if you came out with that smug bitter shite in front of me I would happily slap you to the ground you snivelling little weasel.[/quote']

 

Trolls gonna Troll.

Dont rise to the bait.

 

Nobody solves the problems for the average citizen, its just who throws the most crumbs.

[Strontium]

you're an odious Lib/Dem/Con cunt. Live in the real world and stop pretending you're something you're not. A man. Succint and to the point I think you'll agree. Now fuck off and laugh at some homeless people.

 

 

Thanks for that unprovoked and inaccurate personal attack.

 

Perhaps once you've finished wiping the foam from your mouth, you can explain why nine innocuous words I wrote brought such a response.

[Lee909]

I'm beginning to think you like the abuse.

You knew the reaction that would come with the Labour statement.You leave little snidey comments like that about,knowing you'll get a reaction then cry about the attacks.

[Baltar]

Don't worry, I'm sure Labour will reverse it all.

Maybe they won't, but they can't and won't do a worse job of it than the current coalition.

 

I really worry for the country if we were to have a few more terms with the Tories in charge, we'd be utterly fucked.