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They wouldnt, its our country. If we want to have a country of our own we just need to cancel the queens leasing agreement with us of its possession. Or just buy it back for 0p once they bankrupt themselves. Most the private companies will go bankrupt if the state takes its support and subsidisation away

He's out!!!

 

Anyway, by your logic what's to stop say the US deciding it wants to own BP in America? I think the law is getting in the way of your plans.

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Where's the money coming from? They have to buy it back, not just take it back.

Why can't they just be taken back? Take em back and string a few up on a lampost to swing, as a warning to to other thieves who think they can get away with robbing our money

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Why can't they just be taken back? Take em back and string a few up on a lampost to swing, as a warning to to other thieves who think they can get away with robbing our money

Law. Say you just take back EDF and NPower, how do you think the French and Germans would react? What about all the people who work for the companies?

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He's out!!!

 

Anyway, by your logic what's to stop say the US deciding it wants to own BP in America? I think the law is getting in the way of your plans.

 

It wouldnt own BP its just taking over their facilities, the staff would all be offered their old jobs only the parasite capitalists taking the profits out lose.

 

Check south america a few countries there did it and are rolling in it as a result.

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Law. Say you just take back EDF and NPower, how do you think the French and Germans would react? What about all the people who work for the companies?

You dont need the company though do you, why would you want to send the profits of the utilities in this country to the French and Germans again?

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What else does 'owning' mean then?

 

Some under developed countries have done it, but it's illegal and no one outside those countries really cared.

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You dont need the company though do you, why would you want to send the profits of the utilities in this country to the French and Germans again?

Either I'm missing something or you aren't explaining it very well.

 

Say you nationalise Energy, one day you walk in and seize control of everything. You have 6 massive and a bunch of smaller suppliers. You've got millions of shareholders big and small, foreign and English who've lost billions. Pension funds with massive loss of assets. You've got thousands of contracts that the government is now responsible for and as we buy gas from a very pissed off Europe the good chance they'll stop selling it to us.

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What else does 'owning' mean then?

 

Some under developed countries have done it, but it's illegal and no one outside those countries really cared.

Well BP, EDF and Npower are all former nationalised entities. When you say some under developed countries I think you are referring to the petrobas one, Im pretty sure many people would say no one outside those countries really cared but the point is it can be done, its called national interest, they effectively did the same thing with the banks when the banks went bankrupt.

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Either I'm missing something or you aren't explaining it very well.

 

Say you nationalise Energy, one day you walk in and seize control of everything. You have 6 massive and a bunch of smaller suppliers. You've got millions of shareholders big and small, foreign and English who've lost billions. Pension funds with massive loss of assets. You've got thousands of contracts that the government is now responsible for and as we buy gas from a very pissed off Europe the good chance they'll stop selling it to us.

 

We buy it elsewhere then. Petrobas would give us a deal, since its in their interest to perpetuate their own model. Nar seriously you think if we nationalised europe would stop selling to us based on what? The profits of the people who used to be in charge?

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Why can't they just be taken back? Take em back and string a few up on a lampost to swing, as a warning to to other thieves who think they can get away with robbing our money

 

 

I'm sure this would have no negative impact on Britain's ability to do business in the world at all.

 

Privatisation and/or nationalisation should be done on a case by case basis - not for ideological reasons.

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I'm sure this would have no negative impact on Britain's ability to do business in the world at all.

 

Privatisation and/or nationalisation should be done on a case by case basis - not for ideological reasons.

 

By britain you dont mean britain do you you mean british corporations living off the back of the government subsidies?

Glad you pointed out for us all that privatisation should not be done for idealogical reasons, in which case it shouldnt happen at all since there is little economic reason, not to the people, there are economic reasons for the elite few to have things privatised however. Its very rarely ideological on either side, nationalisation or privatisation either makes sense to the majority of people or makes sense to the minority of elites, there is little ideological that is just a tool to convince more people of a privatisation's validity.

And Im sure companies will be flocking here to capitalise on cheaper energy costs. As if propping up these utilities who make a 5 billion profit off the poorest, sends it offshore takes nothing at all out of our economy and doesnt add to small business costs.

 

Whose side you on SD? Whose side you really on?

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I'm sure this would have no negative impact on Britain's ability to do business in the world at all.Privatisation and/or nationalisation should be done on a case by case basis - not for ideological reasons.

Oh i don't know, a few toffs swinging from lamposts wouldn't discourage many people. Israel make shitloads of money across the world inbetween slaughtering kids in a foreign country.

 

Nationalisation is for ideological reasons, when it works we all gain, when it fails we all lose. It's the perfect incentive at the end of a stick.

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What else does 'owning' mean then?

 

Some under developed countries have done it, but it's illegal and no one outside those countries really cared.

Lots of illegal things happen and then someone powerful makes them legal, or makes the problem go away.

 

Legal is irrelevant. Morality of the act and the power to do that act is more relevant.

 

The whole of South America cared Rico. And those underdeveloped countries that followed this sort of action are now on the rise. You see the US comments on the Falklands recently? Yep, from Argentina, who told their creditors to go fuck themselves and didn't crumble into the dust.

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Osbournes new idea is we should use the welfare budget to build new railway links. They really don't believe in society. "welfare payments which are not generating either a real economic return and at the same time are trapping people in poverty" I reckon poor pay has a bigger influence on trapping people in poverty.

 

We need to make money I say we charge 10 pound a ticket to watch george osbourne be shot out of a cannon into a brick wall.

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Welfare payments do generate an economic return. For Tesco etc.

 

They subsidise low pay and allow large companies to syphon more money out of the economy.

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Lots of illegal things happen and then someone powerful makes them legal, or makes the problem go away.

Legal is irrelevant. Morality of the act and the power to do that act is more relevant.

The whole of South America cared Rico. And those underdeveloped countries that followed this sort of action are now on the rise. You see the US comments on the Falklands recently? Yep, from Argentina, who told their creditors to go fuck themselves and didn't crumble into the dust.

Argentina aren't doing so well though...

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This wreath shenanigans do you reckon its pure lynton Crosby style point scoring and it was set up by some tory wanker. The pm gets time to write a message but milliband gets passed the wreath right before he has to place it down and its pre hand written note says from the leader of the opposition. Why the fuck would anybody from the labour camp or who supports labour write from the leader of the opposition they'd write leader of the Labour Party if inclined to write to down the job position anyway. Its some seriously sick shit if it was political point scoring. I mean cameron had time to write his message with a fucking quill. Plus labour are shit too millibands people should of had the foresight to know the man was going to have to lay down a wreath and clegg too looks like the same arsehole wrote his too. The chances are it could of just been some pleb told to quick write a message for those two pillocks.

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Argentina aren't doing so well though...

 

Mate, are you being serious?

 

They're doing a shitload better than they were doing, or would have been doing under an IMP debt plan that just rapes the country of anything worth having and puts the cost onto the weakest people in the society.

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Mate, are you being serious?

 

They're doing a shitload better than they were doing, or would have been doing under an IMP debt plan that just rapes the country of anything worth having and puts the cost onto the weakest people in the society.

 

You mean like in Britain Stu?

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Mate, are you being serious?

 

They're doing a shitload better than they were doing, or would have been doing under an IMP debt plan that just rapes the country of anything worth having and puts the cost onto the weakest people in the society.

I'm sure I read they were about to go bankrupt, have the worst credit rating and defaulted on their loans...

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