How good is Fernando Torres???

[King Emlyn]

What sort of illness did Rush have?

Heppatitis(sp?)

[Remmie]

7

[Ted]

Heppatitis(sp?)

 

(T)Rush?

[rebel23]

More so than results, trophies and style of football?

 

short term results and trophies shouldn't come into it, sure I get frustrated like everyone else when we fail in the league but to sack Benitez over it is madness, as Benitez points out himself you can see the value of the squad, most of his signings he gets right and he is decisive when they're not up to scratch plus he has attracted some good players, a class keeper, defender(s), midfielders (hopefully including Mascherano) and a class striker, if he carries on in this vein the major success will follow but it requires patience

[Ted]

By the way, my Facebook group is the place to be for all your Torres needs.:party:

[Dirk]

Excellent.

[Ted]

Excellent.

 

Hey, Bill.

[Dirk]

Hey, Bill.

 

Hey, Ted, I thought you were killed by the medieval dickweed, so I put up your picture.

[jackofdk]

short term results and trophies shouldn't come into it, sure I get frustrated like everyone else when we fail in the league but to sack Benitez over it is madness, as Benitez points out himself you can see the value of the squad, most of his signings he gets right and he is decisive when they're not up to scratch plus he has attracted some good players, a class keeper, defender(s), midfielders (hopefully including Mascherano) and a class striker, if he carries on in this vein the major success will follow but it requires patience

 

I'm not advocating for sacking Rafa, just saying that if you're ace at buying players but can't get them to perform properly, you should be director of football and not manager.

 

Rafa has put together a fine squad of players, and the youth department looks better than ever.

 

The one place where you could say that he still needs to prove a little over the course of a season is to get the group of players at his disposal to perform at the highest possible level.

 

I really hope that he is getting that right this time around, if not we might have a problem on our hands.

[Ted]

Hey, Ted, I thought you were killed by the medieval dickweed, so I put up your picture.

 

Aw, Hell no. I'm very much alive and kicking!

 

*Plays air guitar, brilliantly.*

[Red Nick]

He's probably the best thing since sliced bread.

 

More to the point what was the best thing before sliced bread?

[Hermes]

What sort of illness did Rush have?

 

Acute xenophobia.:yes:

[Ted]

More to the point what was the best thing before sliced bread?

 

Buns. Or baps.

[Red Nick]

I'm not advocating for sacking Rafa, just saying that if you're ace at buying players but can't get them to perform properly, you should be director of football and not manager.

 

Rafa has put together a fine squad of players, and the youth department looks better than ever.

 

The one place where you could say that he still needs to prove a little over the course of a season is to get the group of players at his disposal to perform at the highest possible level.

 

I really hope that he is getting that right this time around, if not we might have a problem on our hands.

 

I think Rafa is actually great at coaching players and not the best at buying players or more to the point maybe a liitle greedy with his transfer budget when he wants 3 players but only has the money for two and tries to stretch his budget and ends up with 3 average players instead of two very good ones. Ala Kuyt & Pennant instead of Alves or Benayoun & Babel instead of Mancini or Q

[Brownie]

More to the point what was the best thing before sliced bread?

 

Un-sliced bread?

[Red Nick]

Torres is brilliant, a young Henry if you like

 

Not quite as good as Gerrard yet but those two are light years ahead of the rest of the LFC squad

[Ted]

Un-sliced bread?

 

Would that not just be bread?

[andyfm]

I think he's the best striker in the country right now. However, that is an entirely different proposition to being better than Robbie. I reckon anyone saying that has forgotten what a player Robie was at his peak even without the goals. Torres is quite obviously a class act, but to be deserving of a mention in the same breath as Fowler (the number three on my all-time list behind Kenny and Digger) he's got to not only sustain it, but also do it regularly against the very best. The fact that that possibilty doesn't seem ridiculous is praise in itself.

 

Wow, you have the same list as me! Give it back :telloff:

[m0e]

Posted this on the Torres Song thread. More appropriate on here though.

 

http://www.blinkx.com/burl?v=rpf50T-...BqzJAVN03QffWi

[Brownie]

Un-sliced bread?

 

As soon as I posted it, I went to edit it but you can't edit in work for some reason.

 

Wounded.

[Captain]

As soon as I posted it, I went to edit it but you can't edit in work for some reason.

 

Wounded.

 

The IT-guys at work are on to you.

[Brownie]

The IT-guys at work are on to you.

 

In my line of work, it's pretty much against regulations to post ANYTHING on public forums, so if they were on to me i'd probably be a bit fucked by now!

 

It's just an issue with the software I think.

[Tom R]

As good as Torres can be I reckon he's got quite a way to go to be compared to Robbie, or even Owen.

 

People always seem to remember Robbie in the early to mid-nineties as just the goals and being a great finisher, but he was actually a really complete player as well. Yes, there were the goals, but look at HOW those goals were scored! He was so, so much more than just a finisher. He scored headers, Left foot curlers, right foot curlers, off his chest, on the volley (either foot), from a dead ball, from the penalty spot, in one-on-ones, from distance, from six inches out or just off his arse! He had everything in the scoring department. Everything.

But he was also a briliant passer of the ball and his movement was second to none - if he wasn't creating space for himself then he was creating space and goals for someone else - remember how good partnership Him and collymore were (we've not had a better partnership since)

He was just SO fucking clever at times it was scary.

 

The great news is that Torres is showing glimpses of all those attributes as well, which is just ace and it makes him the most exciting prospect we've had in a long, long time.

But for now he's just that - an amazingly promising world class prospect.

 

For now, Robbie is still easily the best since Rush. Then Owen. But he could quite possibly go on to eclipse them both - and possibly even Ian Rush. You don't say something like that lightly. I really think he could become one of the greatest ever players at our club.

[donmaths]

This was posted by an Atlético fan in RAWK. A very fantastic post. Hope you dont mind me posting that here.

 

 

 

 

It´s not like I fancy writing in internet forums (not even in my team´s ones) but somehow I think I should do it here at least once, as I´ve been lurking around a few times since Fernando Torres started to play this season for your club and from what I´ve read, I think you will enjoy some things about this piece of written stuff. Sorry is this sounds too long, boring or redundant but somehow I felt I was due to post it.

 

Good evening to all LFC fans

 

I´m a Spanish 30 yrs old, supporter of Atlético de Madrid and I´ve been a season ticker holder since I was a teenager, travelled to support my team to dozens of stadiums both in 2nd Div and 1st Div (I know this is usual stuff in England, but it´s not the normal thing here in Spain, away teams normally lack of supporters or just have a small number of them most of the times). You couldn´t care less about this of course, the only reason I bring this into topic is to put Torres in a different context which you´ll probably appreciate to know about.

 

I was in the stands when El Niño played his first official match at Calderón coming off the bench against Leganés , I was there when he scored his first goal for us in his 2nd match (winning goal, away against Albacete coming off the bench) I was there when in his 3nd match he dribbled and sent off 2 hopeless defenders in a few minutes span (“who the f**k is this kid?” looked like those two were wondering while heading off their dressing room) against Sporting Gijón on a Sunday morning…. I can still remember all the astonished faces of my mates around me plus I will never forget the feeling he left on me after just a few hours on the pitch.

 

We, Atleti supporters, knew him long before he made his debut with us (he had been highly touted since winning under 16 Euro Champs with Spain) but after seeing him with the first team just for a couple of hours we already knew he was bound to become a very very special player. The last time I felt the same buzz in the crowd whenever a player had the ball was when Paulo Futre played for us in the late 80´s, early 90´s, but for many of us it was more like an unique thing in the sense that Fer had grown up in our stands, supporting our team as we were doing those days, basically a dream come true, one of us, but not another one, this time he was an awesome talented one, was defending our colours.

 

I was sure by that time he was going to give us back to 1st Div and that he would make us champions again and although I´ve been wrong here, there´s absolutely nothing I can regret about him concerning his behaviour (humble as f**k, eager to improve, supporting and defending his colours every time he felt it was necessary, accepted all the critics -even when they were undeserved many times- like a man should do), his displays (a wonderful football player with very unique qualities) and his attitude (he could have easily called it quits at many awful matches, but he was the man that fought the most and never saved a run or a tackle even knowing he was easily worth double the price of all his 10 team mates together).

 

It´s been a long time ago I lost the count of how many things Fer made for us, you can read loads of bullshit in Spanish press (in this our country, I guess they didn´t like it too much when he said very early in his career he was born a “rojiblanco” and he would never ever wear Real´s shirt) or even from “so-called” Atleti fans about him being overrated (he has even been booed by some people in our Stadium and even at some Spain´s matches), non-prolific enough (ffs, I still can´t believe how much he did for us playing without quality team-mates, changing coaches here and there and without a proper gameplan most of the times –well, the game plan was “Long balls to Torres and let him do what he can against the whole defence” not exaggerating a bit, trust me -), and so on…bollocks all of it.

 

There´s still a long way to go for him to be given a full credit in here, and he will probably never be recognized as he should in Spain, but after seeing him play every week during his entire career I´m sure we would be in 2nd Div hadn´t he played for us all these years. The things you´ve been grateful witnesses for these months, we´ve been lucky to be part of since he was 17 and the best thing is that as good as he is, he never made a conflict out of anything, (when we surely could have had plenty of reasons), he always supported managers, owners and team partners and he stayed humble against ferocious and undeserved critics and let his skills do the talking instead. It´s very true here in Spain we don´t know how to appreciate our jewells most of the times and Torres´ case is probably the most blatant one I can remember. Not for everyone of course, true Atleti fans will always be grateful to him and we know what he´s made of, class on and off the pitch.

 

 

I´m sure he wanted to triumph badly in our team as much as anyone of us, but after all these years of the same bullshit from our owners, he decided it was time to go and told them to listen to LFC´s offer. He could have won more in other clubs, but he´s a special player (you´re starting to realize now and I´m sure you will fully understand it in 6 years´ time) and wanted a special club bc of his tradition and bc of everything that LFC´s carries behind. That´s a very rare condition in today´s football, needless to say. Therefore he decided to go and I simply can´t blame him at all, he gave as much as he could while he was here, and I even think from the bottom of my heart I also wanted him to prove the world how good he is, and the only way to do it was leaving, as this club is kidnapped by a bunch of thieves only looking forward to filling their pockets. So I understand his decision though I still think every goal he scores, and everything he does on a football pitch is a piece of our history that our owners have stolen us.

 

Even with that sad feeling inside me (it will never go away, I´m pretty sure, it still hurts me seeing the guy around whom we should have built a great team again wearing a different shirt), I can´t avoid to smile and feel happy for him everytime he plays a good match for Liverpool FC for several reasons. First bc he deserves it after all the critics he has received and how humbly he has handled them, secondly bc from what I´ve read during these months in here, he has now a grateful group of supporters behind him (not the case in here, sad but true, he should almost kiss the ground where he walks on yet some people here are even happy he left the club, just unreal) and I must also confess it´s bc he represents for me a small piece of the “once-great Atleti I knew” history placed where it really deserves, among the greatest in the world.

 

All the best for you, thanks for supporting and appreciating Fernando´s character and skills and enjoy El Niño. Congrats, you´ve got a real gem there.

[The Tott]

ino it was a big call saying hes better than god but i truly believe he will become the best