Liz fucking Truss then.....

[Tj hooker]

[TD_LFC]

20 hours ago, Gnasher said:

They really have completely lost the plot.

 

I have no great love of the armed forces deifying that goes on in the press, in politics or around certain times of the year (poppy appeal etc) and find it all a bit self congratulatory to show how much you support them and who can support them the best.

 

Seems like a massive exercise in self harm to go up against that as a government when you're already hanging by a thread though.

[Numero Veinticinco]

39 minutes ago, redinblack said:

Stockholm Syndrome......"we are going to piss In your worthless face repeatedly but you will still vote for me because I'm the only friend you have got against all these other people who want to hurt you"

Don't stop, I'm almost there. 

[Kepler-186]

https://www.newstatesman.com/society/2022/10/uk-austerity-measures-meaning-devastation
 

 

[Sugar Ape]

The rebels’ smartphone spreadsheet that means Liz Truss is still in deep trouble | News | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

 

The rebels’ smartphone spreadsheet that means Liz Truss is still in deep trouble

 

 

The Samsung Galaxy Fold looks like any other smartphone rather than a concealed weapon, but news that Grant Shapps has purchased one (RRP: £1,649) ought to send a frisson of fear through Liz Truss’s inner circle.

 

The former transport secretary, dismissed by the prime minister when she took power, was gleefully showing colleagues his new gadget at Conservative Party conference last week. The phone opens to create a double-sized screen on which Shapps can read his new spreadsheet, where he is recording the views of Tory MPs about Truss and her plans. The data is not encouraging for the PM.

 

Shapps, who led a rebellion against Theresa May and then organised Boris Johnson’s leadership victory, had, by Tuesday evening, recorded 237 recent conversations with MPs on their doubts about Truss and her libertarian economic policies. His to-do list included 57 coffees with colleagues. Shapps’s spreadsheet already contained more than 6,000 historic “data points” from previous conversations with MPs.

 

 

Last week’s gathering in Birmingham, where Truss was forced to perform a humiliating U-turn on her flagship plan to scrap the 45p top rate of tax, was the most disruptive Tory conference since 2003, when MPs plotted to oust Iain Duncan Smith as leader (he was gone two weeks later). MPs, ministers and former ministers exchanged views on how long Truss can survive and, as one Tory strategist put it: “Whether we are going to lose by what we would have lost by if we’d gone down in 1992 or whether it’s a 1997-style landslide.”

 

The dossier of dissent taking shape on his spreadsheet explains why Shapps broke cover on Wednesday to warn that Truss “has ten days” to turn things around or MPs “might as well roll the dice and elect a new leader”.

 

Behind the scenes, he is understood to have been in contact with both Johnson and Rishi Sunak, the former chancellor, in a bid to gauge whether they are prepared to join an effort to oust Truss.

 

According to fellow rebel MPs, Shapps is even offering himself as a caretaker prime minister, though few others regard him as realistic because he once used an alter ego – Michael Green – to sell get rich quick schemes on the internet. One rebel observer noted, wryly: “That rules out Grant but I’m not sure his get rich schemes were any more dubious than the chancellor’s.”

 

 

If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.

 

Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.

 

Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally.

 

Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.

 

In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”

 

In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.

“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”

 

A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.

 

But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.

 

Sunak returned to London on Thursday having spent time with former aides at his constituency home in Yorkshire. His allies are torn about whether he can stage a comeback. Johnson, meanwhile, has kept his head down, though rumours persist that he has compromising information about Truss’s time as a member of his government that his allies could deploy to hasten her departure.

 

One idea floated to the former PM is he could establish a new power base by leaving his Uxbridge constituency and replacing Nadine Dorries as MP for Mid Bedfordshire, who is due to get a peerage in Johnson’s resignation honours list. Some say Johnson thinks it is too soon to return and he needs to make more money before another tilt at the top.

 

But a former adviser said there was no chance of him staying in west London where Johnson is defending a majority of just 7,210. “He won’t want to lose, it’s no good for the brand. His options are take the chicken run [to another seat], or just run. He can leave and make money and would have no trouble getting a seat if he wants to come back later.”

 

 

If all this plotting seems like pie in the sky, it is nonetheless remarkable that it is going on at all. A former minister suggested Sunak and Penny Mordaunt, who finished second and third in the leadership contest, should visit Truss to tell her the game is up. A former Downing Street aide revealed: “Penny is full on manoeuvres. She told someone directly that she was restarting her campaign.”

 

Another MP added: “The options are death if we stick with Liz or ridicule if we get someone else and right now ridicule seems preferable.”

 

Worryingly for Truss, negative views about Truss’s medium-term prospects extend to the upper reaches of the cabinet. Kwasi Kwarteng, the chancellor, told a prominent Tory on Monday night, in the hearing of another Conservative, that Truss’s chances of survival are “only 40-60”. It is understood that he shared the same assessment with Shapps last week. The chancellor denies the remarks.

 

All the leadership plotting marred Truss’s attempt to reset her premiership with the U-turn on the 45p rate. She and her closest aides decided to act about 9pm last Sunday after Truss spoke to Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee. A source said: “Graham told her: ‘You will get the 45p cut through. Just. But it’s probably the last vote you’ll win.’”

 

Truss summoned Kwarteng to her room in the Hyatt. The chancellor had spoken to about 25 MPs and had independently concluded that the 45p cut would have to go. The final decision was taken about 10pm.

 

Most MPs were relieved that Truss had cauterised an open political wound. Truss then used her platform speech on Wednesday to defend her plans to cut taxes and deregulate and attack “the enemies of growth”.

 

 

“The conference speech is the start of the fightback,” a senior aide said. “It reinforced that Liz does have a clear plan and who the real enemy is.” On returning to Downing Street on Wednesday afternoon, Truss told aides: “Come on, it’s straight back to work. We’ve got to hammer Labour and show our MPs and the public that we’ve got a credible plan that will make lives better and win the next election.”

 

Truss, Kwarteng and her ministers will this week begin a rollout of supply-side reforms in a bid to show that they can kick-start growth, beginning with reforms to financial services and continuing with strikes legislation.

 

But there is concern among MPs that by failing to announce any of this in Truss’s speech, the only major policy announcement of the entire conference was the U-turn. A former No 10 aide said: “All she has done is bake it in as a historic error on 45p in the public mind, like Gordon Brown dithering over the election or Theresa May saying ‘Nothing has changed’. It was the least professional conference I have ever been to.”

 

Disquiet also extends to party donors, who attended a “funereal” drinks do on Tuesday evening. Malik Karim, the party treasurer, made a speech about how difficult things were and introduced the prime minister. “There was complete silence,” one of those present reported. “No applause at all. The mood of the donors was like Bernie Madoff’s investors,” a reference to the US Ponzi scheme boss who stole millions and ended up dead in jail.

 

On Friday, Kwarteng received the first assessments of his plan from the Office for Budget Responsibility, the independent watchdog on the public finances, which will be published next month. The problem for the chancellor is that the Treasury calculates that reversing the rise in national insurance and halting a planned rise in corporation tax will only boost growth by between 0.4 and 0.9 percentage points after five years — meaning he needs huge supply side reforms to hit his target of 2.5 per cent growth.

 

More existentially, even the chancellor has privately expressed the view that the public does not really know “what growth is,” making it an uphill climb to base the entire future of the government on achieving it.

 

A No 10 source agreed: “We’re now effectively running a huge public persuasion campaign about why people should care about economic growth and why it’s the silver bullet to making their lives better.”

 

In a further bid to placate the markets, Kwarteng will publish a new fiscal rule to reduce debt as a proportion of GDP over a five-year period, rather than the present three-year period, and ensure public spending rises slower than growth. “The problem is that to satisfy the Office for Budget Responsibility they will need to do massive cuts,” a Tory adviser said, “but the cuts they will have to do they can’t get through. Then the markets will shit themselves again.”

 

 

The cabinet is already in open revolt. Suella Braverman, the home secretary, opposed the 45p U-turn, accusing the rebels of mounting “a coup”. But she also condemned Truss’s plans to liberalise immigration rules to boost growth.

 

The first big battle will be over benefits. Truss is set on uprating them by wages rather than prices to save money.

But Mordaunt, the leader of the Commons, broke cover to demand that they rise in line with inflation. Other cabinet ministers, even including Jacob Rees-Mogg, agree.

 

Conference also led to a showdown between Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, and No 10. He was forced to dig in after “to-ing and fro-ing” over how much spending he was allowed to announce in his conference speech. Some claim Thérèse Coffey, the deputy prime minister, was trying to meddle with his speech. One cabinet colleague even claimed Wallace threatened to resign, something he denies. But an ally made clear it would be a “resigning point” if Truss “backtracks” on her leadership campaign pledge to lift defence spending to 3 per cent of GDP by 2030.

 

One of the primary complaints against Truss is that she has needlessly created enemies.

 

Shapps’s spreadsheet details how the PM has already lost the support of the so-called G- Group of about 20 right-wing conservatives. One of the most prominent was Peter Bone, who was made deputy leader of the Commons by Johnson, voted for Truss, joined her transition team and was then sacked. “She just abolished his post,” a senior MP said. “She has taken somebody who was loyal to her and crossed the road to make an enemy. Not one of the people in the group now support her.”

 

Worse still, as far as most MPs are concerned, is Truss’s decision to sack Isaac Levido, the mastermind of the 2019 election landslide, from running the next election campaign. In a questionable move Conservative Campaign Headquarters will now give the £5 million contract to the company of Mark Fullbrook, the No 10 chief of staff, whose firm is run by Alice Robinson, the wife of the Tory party chairman Jake Berry.

 

One irate Tory said: “Replacing Isaac with Mark two years before a general election is like replacing Pep Guardiola with Mr Bean on the eve of the Champions League final.” The Tories are now trailing Labour by 30 points.

 

The concern of many moderates is that Truss is pursuing an ideological crusade which is not backed by the public.

 

At a fringe meeting on Tuesday James Johnson, Theresa May’s No 10 pollster, was asked by a councillor about the party’s prospects at the local elections next year. “Do you think things will have got better by then?” the councillor asked. Johnson replied: “I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you’re going to be a blood sacrifice on the altar of the plan.” Truss’s team insist that she will deal with rebellions and plots with total ruthlessness, sacking, removing the whip and banning rebels from standing at the next election.

 

The problem is that Truss’s chief whip, Wendy Morton, is seen as weak and ineffectual and is branded “Wendy Moron” by MPs and advisers, she “could not fight her way out of a wet paper bag” according to one senior Conservative.

 

Truss seems aware that she needs to do more to placate her party. She told aides last week: “Our plan is the right one but we need to win hearts and minds.”

 

The PM is on Sunday expected to appoint a minister of state role at the trade department and is expected to to use it to reward a Sunak backer who “hasn’t joined Gove’s coalition”.

 

A Downing Street source said. “We need to hug MPs closer and explain what we’re doing better.” Truss will hold a policy lunch with MPs on Tuesday to talk about infrastructure.

 

If the home front is a minefield, there are some grounds to be optimistic about Britain’s role in the world. When Truss visited Prague last week for a conference of European nations, she repaired relations with Emmanuel Macron, the French president and discussed energy security. On the plane Truss told aides: “We’ve got to work closely with Europe on energy. This is a rich world problem, not just a Britain problem.”

 

Better relations with France could bear fruit quickly. Braveman is hoping to strike a deal to double the number of French police combating the flow of migrants across the Channel.

 

Diplomats in London, Brussels and Dublin are also cautiously optimistic that there could be a new deal over the Northern Ireland protocol by October 28. That would see the EU approve red and green lanes for goods passing from Great Britain into Northern Ireland, allowing them to reduce the number of border checks, in exchange for the UK dropping its opposition for the European Court of Justice to play a role in the agreement.

 

In Downing Street, the hope is that Truss can survive and buy time. They are backed up by Brady, who is letting it be known that he would not be inclined to allow a party rule change to permit a vote of no confidence in Truss unless the numbers were overwhelming. That means the rebels would need 178 supporters to threaten her yet.

 

But the sharks are circling. Even allies are unimpressed by the functioning of Downing Street so far. A serving minister said: “They’re f***wits. They think they’ve turned it around. But they don’t understand politics.” Another data point for the spreadsheet.

[Sugar Ape]

Just now, Sugar Ape said:

Worse still, as far as most MPs are concerned, is Truss’s decision to sack Isaac Levido, the mastermind of the 2019 election landslide, from running the next election campaign. In a questionable move Conservative Campaign Headquarters will now give the £5 million contract to the company of Mark Fullbrook, the No 10 chief of staff, whose firm is run by Alice Robinson, the wife of the Tory party chairman Jake Berry.

 

One irate Tory said: “Replacing Isaac with Mark two years before a general election is like replacing Pep Guardiola with Mr Bean on the eve of the Champions League final.” The Tories are now trailing Labour by 30 points.

These cunts aren't Tories in any sense of the word. Party has been hijacked by Tufton St nutjobs.

 

[Mudface]

45 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

These cunts aren't Tories in any sense of the word. Party has been hijacked by Tufton St nutjobs.

 

Great reading, that article. 

[Guest]

Haven't watched it yet but these guys are great are tearing apart body language and tells to see behind the talk...

 

 

[Anubis]

A love letter from one thick fuckflump to another. Using the rag.

 

 

[Arniepie]

40 minutes ago, Anubis said:

A love letter from one thick fuckflump to another. Using the rag.

 

 

Jesus christ..some of those replies.

Still quite surprised that,that utterly horrendous speech went quite under the radar.

Evil cunt

 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:

These cunts aren't Tories in any sense of the word. Party has been hijacked by Tufton St nutjobs.

 

I think they are..its just a logical progression. 

Cameron said we are all in this together whilst unleashing one of the most damaging domestic  policies the county has ever seen in austerity. 

Johnson said he would level up and was prepared to let school kids go hungry

She just isn't hiding what a cunt she is.

[Arniepie]

8 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

The Story So Far. 
 

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n20/john-lanchester/inside-the-thatcher-larp

 

65 billion quid to save UK pension funds. 

 

Is it scorched earth policy and do business with what’s left? What would we accept now as a return to a status quo given how far off a fucking cliff we are? 

Good read that.

Apparently loads of businesses are pushing for relaxations on immigration,which the Tories obviously cannot do,without losing their brexit support base

 

[Bjornebye]

19 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Jesus christ..some of those replies.

Still quite surprised that,that utterly horrendous speech went quite under the radar.

Evil cunt

 

Yep. Replies from thick racist cunts who live in a fantasy world that most of mainland Europe hasn't got far more migrants than the UK. 

[Gnasher]

19 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

Another dig at Jezza, you swine.

 

Wasn't it you talking only yesterday about posters bringing up Corbyn for no particular reason?

 

This is what you said yesterday on the Starmer thread.

 

"Even better, the three people still interested in talking about the guy could just take it to PM."

 

 

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Wasn't it you talking only yesterday about posters bringing up Corbyn for no particular reason?

 

This is what you said yesterday on the Starmer thread.

 

"Even better, the three people still interested in talking about the guy could just take it to PM."

 

 

Hahaha good luck with getting him to acknowledge his hypocrisy. I’ve been trying for years. 

[Strontium]

43 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Wasn't it you talking only yesterday about posters bringing up Corbyn for no particular reason?

 

Get a sense of humour you tit.

[Gnasher]

36 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Get a sense of humour you tit.

OK fair enough.

[redinblack]

5 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

The rebels’ smartphone spreadsheet that means Liz Truss is still in deep trouble | News | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

 

The rebels’ smartphone spreadsheet that means Liz Truss is still in deep trouble

 

 

The Samsung Galaxy Fold looks like any other smartphone rather than a concealed weapon, but news that Grant Shapps has purchased one (RRP: £1,649) ought to send a frisson of fear through Liz Truss’s inner circle.

 

The former transport secretary, dismissed by the prime minister when she took power, was gleefully showing colleagues his new gadget at Conservative Party conference last week. The phone opens to create a double-sized screen on which Shapps can read his new spreadsheet, where he is recording the views of Tory MPs about Truss and her plans. The data is not encouraging for the PM.

 

Shapps, who led a rebellion against Theresa May and then organised Boris Johnson’s leadership victory, had, by Tuesday evening, recorded 237 recent conversations with MPs on their doubts about Truss and her libertarian economic policies. His to-do list included 57 coffees with colleagues. Shapps’s spreadsheet already contained more than 6,000 historic “data points” from previous conversations with MPs.

 

 

Last week’s gathering in Birmingham, where Truss was forced to perform a humiliating U-turn on her flagship plan to scrap the 45p top rate of tax, was the most disruptive Tory conference since 2003, when MPs plotted to oust Iain Duncan Smith as leader (he was gone two weeks later). MPs, ministers and former ministers exchanged views on how long Truss can survive and, as one Tory strategist put it: “Whether we are going to lose by what we would have lost by if we’d gone down in 1992 or whether it’s a 1997-style landslide.”

 

The dossier of dissent taking shape on his spreadsheet explains why Shapps broke cover on Wednesday to warn that Truss “has ten days” to turn things around or MPs “might as well roll the dice and elect a new leader”.

 

Behind the scenes, he is understood to have been in contact with both Johnson and Rishi Sunak, the former chancellor, in a bid to gauge whether they are prepared to join an effort to oust Truss.

 

According to fellow rebel MPs, Shapps is even offering himself as a caretaker prime minister, though few others regard him as realistic because he once used an alter ego – Michael Green – to sell get rich quick schemes on the internet. One rebel observer noted, wryly: “That rules out Grant but I’m not sure his get rich schemes were any 

 

 

I dont believe a word of this, O2 or EE or Vodafone or whoever wouldn't know the name of the cunt to send the bill to

[redinblack]

3 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Good read that.

Apparently loads of businesses are pushing for relaxations on immigration,which the Tories obviously cannot do,without losing their brexit support base

 

Its almost like Brexit was a fucking stupid idea, like a piece of industrial vandalism. But it isn't obviously, we are taking our country back, and I'll remember that when I go to work in Germany next week and I have to queue at immigration instead of just strolling through like I used to.

[TD_LFC]

Nadim Zahawi on Sophy Ridge show talking about Government priorities in the next 24 months

 

'In Health and Social Care we have A B C D, Ambulances, Backlog, Care and GP's....Dentists.....Doctors and Dentists.'

 

Bumbling fuck nuggets, get your messaging right at the very least.

 

 

[Rushies tash]

14 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

Nadim Zahawi on Sophy Ridge show talking about Government priorities in the next 24 months

 

'In Health and Social Care we have A B C D, Ambulances, Backlog, Care and GP's....Dentists.....Doctors and Dentists.'

 

Bumbling fuck nuggets, get your messaging right at the very least.

 

 

He forgot E: Everything my party have fucked up.

[Josef Svejk]

11 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Jesus christ..some of those replies.

Still quite surprised that,that utterly horrendous speech went quite under the radar.

Evil cunt

 

I'm an immigrant in this country. If I ever heard my kids spewing her kind of hateful bile, I'd disown them.

 

Seriously, what is her fucking issue?

[Tj hooker]

A decent read even from a Tory 

[Section_31]

2 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

I'm an immigrant in this country. If I ever heard my kids spewing her kind of hateful bile, I'd disown them.

 

Seriously, what is her fucking issue?

Immigrants often seem quite anti immigration. Isn't much of the republican base in the states Latino? Bonkers.

[Section_31]

No 10 is trying to sideline Home secretary Suella Braverman in order to loosen immigration rules, exposing a damaging cabinet split over how to kickstart the economy.

Liz Truss is keen to hand out more visas to achieve the growth she needs to save her premiership – but is facing open defiance from Ms Braverman, a hardline Brexiteer, who insists tough curbs are needed.