Coronavirus

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah same mate. Its is all seriously messed up. Crazy when you look at other nations who have seemingly breezed through it with minimal impact. We are all over the place. 

Remember Boris actually got it himself, being cocksure that this disease was nothing to be worried about at all. Those days and weeks are why we are where we are.

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah same mate. Its is all seriously messed up. Crazy when you look at other nations who have seemingly breezed through it with minimal impact. We are all over the place. 

Unless there is a silver bullet vaccine, which is unlikely, they have got it all to come. We've totally bumbled our way through this and it's been a shit show, but it might just be the most serendipitous shit show ever, as we could end up with a society and economy that doesn't need to be locked down for years. We have ultimately ended up where Sweden chose to end up, in my opinion.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

We have ultimately ended up where Sweden chose to end up, in my opinion.

Except for the higher death rate and a worse economy - yes.

[Sugar Ape]

3 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

That is where my suspicions lie. Surely they would have wanted to the numbers to be as low as possible for a while, which would have been easy as they could have just said that they would standardise with the other 3 nations... but they didn't do that, and that makes me very curious.

So the question is did they do this by design or because they’re incompetent? I’m inclined to think it’s the latter. 

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

In July there were 2324 deaths, of which 1600 would no longer count as Covid. That's huge! Just 743 met the standardised criteria.

Like I said, by releasing the figures using different measures they are just muddying the waters and now it’s almost impossible to get an accurate figure. Not 100% but I read yesterday they will also still release figures as they were with no end date between testing positive and dying which is absolutely mental if true. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Fluter in Dakota said:

Remember Boris actually got it himself, being cocksure that this disease was nothing to be worried about at all. Those days and weeks are why we are where we are.

It fills me with rage even thinking about the fucking cunts 

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Unless there is a silver bullet vaccine, which is unlikely, they have got it all to come. We've totally bumbled our way through this and it's been a shit show, but it might just be the most serendipitous shit show ever, as we could end up with a society and economy that doesn't need to be locked down for years. We have ultimately ended up where Sweden chose to end up, in my opinion.

I see where you're coming from and maybe I've been harsh on you and SD for having opinions that don't all of a sudden seem so far fetched (I still disagree and we will never agree on face-masks you pair of biffs) but its certainly something that could in the long term prove to be kind of right. 

 

I still think we went into lockdown too late. I also think masks should have been made a rule far earlier too. 

[RobbieOR]

34 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Piss off then. When someone throws comments around implying they are so right about everything then it is only right to pick up on it. 

 

 

 

I don't think it's doing anybody any favours having to read the same shite every day. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Except for the higher death rate and a worse economy - yes.

Death rates are quite similar, 608/1m vs 571/1m... but yeah, worse on both fronts and we look fucked on the economy. I just hope it is a V shaped dip.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, RobbieOR said:

 

I don't think it's doing anybody any favours having to read the same shite every day. 

I couldn't give a flying fuck to be honest with you mate. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It fills me with rage even thinking about the fucking cunts 

I see where you're coming from and maybe I've been harsh on you and SD for having opinions that don't all of a sudden seem so far fetched (I still disagree and we will never agree on face-masks you pair of biffs) but its certainly something that could in the long term prove to be kind of right. 

 

I still think we went into lockdown too late. I also think masks should have been made a rule far earlier too. 

Even Sharpiro thinks masks are a good idea, so I don't know what to think.

[Sugar Ape]

It’s on course to be a ‘Nike Swoosh’ dip according to something I read yesterday. 

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

 we look fucked 

I think the normalization/acceptance of "it is what it is" and everyone is ending up in the same place is dangerous.

There are governments who did not come across as a clown show that have similar numbers.

How you got there is of utmost importance in judging the response - that is the same for the US and the UK.

Goes for Brazil too tbh - they may never recover

[Sugar Ape]

Shut down sandwiches. 
 

 

[Vincent Vega]

They can fiddle with the figures as much as they like, we all know they badly mishandled it. Someone needs to ask Johnson why we have over 30,000 more dead than Germany which has a population of over 18,000,000 more than the UK.

[Bjornebye]

33 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

They can fiddle with the figures as much as they like, we all know they badly mishandled it. Someone needs to ask Johnson why we have over 30,000 more dead than Germany which has a population of over 18,000,000 more than the UK.

Or Japan with twice the population and about 1000 deaths? 

 

 

[Strontium]

I think it will be interesting, once people have stopped dying, to assess what approaches worked best, and why there were discrepancies from country to country.

 

I note that obesity is a major risk factor for covid, and Japan's obesity rate is 3.6%, against 28.7% in the UK and 42.4% in the USA. I'd start there if you're looking for explanations as to Japan's relatively low fatality rate.

[Vincent Vega]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Or Japan with twice the population and about 1000 deaths? 

 

 

I cited a European country as I think it’s a fairer comparison. 

[Section_31]

2 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

I think it will be interesting, once people have stopped dying, to assess what approaches worked best, and why there were discrepancies from country to country.

 

I note that obesity is a major risk factor for covid, and Japan's obesity rate is 3.6%, against 28.7% in the UK and 42.4% in the USA. I'd start there if you're looking for explanations as to Japan's relatively low fatality rate.

Fair point that. You see Japanese people in their 80s doing tai chi and shit in the park, you go around Runcorn and there's blokes in their 30s with no heads riding around in disability scooters.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

I think it will be interesting, once people have stopped dying, to assess what approaches worked best, and why there were discrepancies from country to country.

 

I note that obesity is a major risk factor for covid, and Japan's obesity rate is 3.6%, against 28.7% in the UK and 42.4% in the USA. I'd start there if you're looking for explanations as to Japan's relatively low fatality rate.

Of the three I know who’ve had it 2 have been very, very overweight.  The other was smoker but quite fit. Lots of the stories I’ve seen on TV have shown people with ‘no underlying medical conditions’...apart from being fucking massive! Anecdotal of course.  

[Rico1304]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-53762233

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

I cited a European country as I think it’s a fairer comparison. 

I think diet and lifestyle wise USA is probably the closest comparison. Or Ireland...

[TheHowieLama]

Not sure why that would be something to identify - if you are obese you are more likely to die of a bunch of stuff.

It would be the equivalent of looking at how many obese folks died of a heart attack. 

[Tony Moanero]

6 hours ago, Spy Bee said:

You want to live with a woman who has been self isolating for 12 days and see the impact it's had on her. She's climbing the fucking walls!

 

She needs to have a word with herself. 12 days is absolutely fuck all!

[3 Stacks]

54 minutes ago, Stront19m Dog™ said:

I think it will be interesting, once people have stopped dying, to assess what approaches worked best, and why there were discrepancies from country to country.

 

I note that obesity is a major risk factor for covid, and Japan's obesity rate is 3.6%, against 28.7% in the UK and 42.4% in the USA. I'd start there if you're looking for explanations as to Japan's relatively low fatality rate.

It seems like the overwhelming risk factors are by far advanced age and then being male (yikes). Obesity and co-morbidities are lower. The likeliest thing is, if you could protect the care homes, deaths are probably pretty low. 

[Elite]

Is there anything conclusive about blood type being a factor?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Elite said:

Is there anything conclusive about blood type being a factor?

Yeah. If your blood types 'gravy' you're fucked.