Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Scooby Dudek]

14 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Looks like they've been up to their old tricks. You'd like to think that the good folks at the JC might've clicked on that it's a damn sight cheaper if you just stop constantly telling lies about people and falsely labelling them as antisemitic? 

 

 

I am expecting this to be the main talking point on all the news channels over the next few days, if not I will blame bad leadership for not controlling the narrative.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Oh, for fucks sake. 

 

More lies from the JC. What an appalling rag. 

 

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-chronicle-lied-about-green-party-anti-semitism

[Creator Supreme]

5 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Oh, for fucks sake. 

 

More lies from the JC. What an appalling rag. 

 

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-chronicle-lied-about-green-party-anti-semitism

Bastards aren't they? I'm with Sharar Ali on the IHRA definition, I don't think we should adopt it and I'm annoyed with Bartley and Berry for campaigning to adopt it. First time I've really been disappointed with Caroline Lucas too for her ambivalence over the matter!

 

We should as a party be actively against all forms of discrimination including racism (and therefore anti-semitism, islamophobia etc). However we should not be prevented from legitimate criticism of any country's actions when they infringe on the human rights of their citizens!

[Gnasher]

 

[Gnasher]

Corbyn hater makes sinister threat against the largest Socialist party in America. 

 

 

 

The burn the witch brigade? Is it 1.anti semitism they hate? Is it 2..Corbyn they hate? Or is it 3.socialism in general they hate?  My guess would be all three although the ferocious nature of which they attack the last two puts doubts onto their authenticity in attacking the first.

[Gnasher]

I dont see this ending any time soon..

 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Corbyn hater makes sinister threat against the largest Socialist party in America. 

 

 

 

The burn the witch brigade? Is it 1.anti semitism they hate? Is it 2..Corbyn they hate? Or is it 3.socialism in general they hate?  My guess would be all three although the ferocious nature of which they attack the last two puts doubts onto their authenticity in attacking the first.

Tracy-Ann Oberman is mentally ill and, thankfully, not really representative of anything other than someone allowing social media to drop them in to a massive k-hole.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Tracy-Ann Oberman is mentally ill and, thankfully, not really representative of anything other than someone allowing social media to drop them in to a massive k-hole.

I agree with the first part of your post but as for her being unrepresentative I'm not so sure, she does make a lot of fuss and ruffle a lot of feathers and she also generates a lot of sympathy for herself, especially amongst the thespian world. 

[Jairzinho]

28 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I agree with the first part of your post but as for her being unrepresentative I'm not so sure, she does make a lot of fuss and ruffle a lot of feathers and she also generates a lot of sympathy for herself, especially amongst the thespian world. 

That's true, although in answer to this -

 

"1.anti semitism they hate? Is it 2..Corbyn they hate? Or is it 3.socialism in general they hate?"

 

I don't think it's specifically any of them. I think she enjoys the little niche she has carved as "Twitter cunt", and has almost no awareness of how much of a cunt she comes across as. 

 

But just as with the Tommy Robinson types, the turbo centrists, or the those that think there is zero difference between Starmer and Johnson, they're largely talking to themselves. I don't think what she says has the slightest bearing on the vast, vast majority of people's lives. And that's only if they're aware of her in the first place.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

I’m sick of hearing about Corbyn, but I’m even more sick of hearing Tracy-Ann Oberman. 

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

That's true, although in answer to this -

 

"1.anti semitism they hate? Is it 2..Corbyn they hate? Or is it 3.socialism in general they hate?"

 

I don't think it's specifically any of them. I think she enjoys the little niche she has carved as "Twitter cunt", and has almost no awareness of how much of a cunt she comes across as. 

 

But just as with the Tommy Robinson types, the turbo centrists, or the those that think there is zero difference between Starmer and Johnson, they're largely talking to themselves. I don't think what she says has the slightest bearing on the vast, vast majority of people's lives. And that's only if they're aware of her in the first place.

 

 

Good I hope so. I hope your right.

[Gnasher]

She can be weirdly entertaining (this eastenders actress) here she is predicting the head of Twitter will end up on trial at the Hague.

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

The Hague. Interesting understanding of how law works, Trace. It’s not like the ICJ is there to settle disputes between nation states on matters of international law, but rather internal discretionary matters of private companies who offer a service you’re not obliged to use. 
 

Good one. Twat N’ Trace seems to be broken. 

[Gnasher]

48 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

The Hague. Interesting understanding of how law works, Trace. It’s not like the ICJ is there to settle disputes between nation states on matters of international law, but rather internal discretionary matters of private companies who offer a service you’re not obliged to use. 
 

Good one. Twat N’ Trace seems to be broken. 

Careful or she'll try to get you sent to the hague, you and Dave. It'll be you, Dave, Corbyn and the chief executive from twitter all bundled in the dock together.

[Creator Supreme]

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Careful or she'll try to get you sent to the hague, you and Dave. It'll be you, Dave, Corbyn and the chief executive from twitter all bundled in the dock together.

With Kenny Senior as character witness!

[Anubis]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Corbyn hater makes sinister threat against the largest Socialist party in America. 

 

 

 

The burn the witch brigade? Is it 1.anti semitism they hate? Is it 2..Corbyn they hate? Or is it 3.socialism in general they hate?  My guess would be all three although the ferocious nature of which they attack the last two puts doubts onto their authenticity in attacking the first.

Tracy Ann McCarthy there. Soft cow.

[Kevin D]

For some reason Noam Chomsky has trouble understanding what a vicious anti-semite Corbyn is:

 

https://progressive.international/wire/2020-10-31-we-stand-with-jeremy-corbyn/en

 

 

 

 

We, members of the Progressive International, stand with Jeremy Corbyn as a genuine internationalist and inspiration to progressive forces around the world.

 

Jeremy Corbyn has been a champion of decency and an ally to all movements fighting racism, colonialism, and exploitation.

 

As leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn not only spoke out about the ills of anti-Semitism in British society broadly. He also took the issue of anti-Semitism in his own party seriously, listening to the concerns of Jewish constituents and improving the process for investigating and sanctioning cases of anti-Semitism.

 

As fierce opponents of anti-Semitism — and as an International that includes many Jewish members across the planet — we abhor the weaponization of Jewish pain against the project of socialism and the legacy of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership in the United Kingdom.

 

The evidence of such efforts to weaponize the issue of anti-Semitism is clear. The majority of the British public now believe that a third of Labour Party members — a full 200,000 people — are the subject of anti-Semitism allegations. The truth is less than 2,000, less than 0.3 per cent of the party.

 

The campaign against the character of Jeremy Corbyn did not begin with the issue of anti-Semitism, and it will not end here. A principled defence of the Jewish community demands that we distinguish between genuine appreciation of the community's pain and cynical attempts to ride it toward political reaction.

 

We, members of the Progressive International, know that Jeremy Corbyn is under attack because of his life-long fight to transform Britain, to dismantle empire, and to defend the rights to care, peace, and freedom.

 

We, members of the Progressive International, stand united in the defence of Jeremy Corbyn, in defence of decency, and for the future of socialism in Britain and around the world.

Signatories

Alicia Castro
Former Ambassador of Argentina and Trade Union leader

Noam Chomsky
Laureate Professor of Linguistics, University of Arizona

Nikhil Dey
Founder-Member of Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan (MKSS)

Srećko Horvat
Co-Founder, DiEM25

Scott Ludlam
Former Senator, Australian Greens

John McDonnell
Member of Parliament for Hayes and Harlington

Vijay Prashad
Director of the Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research

Aruna Roy
Founder-Member, Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan (MKSS)

Pierre Sané
Founder-President, Imagine Africa Institute

Ahdaf Soueif
Author, Founder of Palestinian Festival of Literature

Yanis Varoufakis
Member of the Hellenic Parliament and the Secretary-General of MeRA25

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, Kevin D said:

For some reason Noam Chomsky has trouble understanding what a vicious anti-semite Corbyn is:

 

https://progressive.international/wire/2020-10-31-we-stand-with-jeremy-corbyn/en

 

 

 

 

We, members of the Progressive International, stand with Jeremy Corbyn as a genuine internationalist and inspiration to progressive forces around the world.

 

Jeremy Corbyn has been a champion of decency and an ally to all movements fighting racism, colonialism, and exploitation.

 

As leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn not only spoke out about the ills of anti-Semitism in British society broadly. He also took the issue of anti-Semitism in his own party seriously, listening to the concerns of Jewish constituents and improving the process for investigating and sanctioning cases of anti-Semitism.

 

As fierce opponents of anti-Semitism — and as an International that includes many Jewish members across the planet — we abhor the weaponization of Jewish pain against the project of socialism and the legacy of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership in the United Kingdom.

 

The evidence of such efforts to weaponize the issue of anti-Semitism is clear. The majority of the British public now believe that a third of Labour Party members — a full 200,000 people — are the subject of anti-Semitism allegations. The truth is less than 2,000, less than 0.3 per cent of the party.

 

The campaign against the character of Jeremy Corbyn did not begin with the issue of anti-Semitism, and it will not end here. A principled defence of the Jewish community demands that we distinguish between genuine appreciation of the community's pain and cynical attempts to ride it toward political reaction.

 

We, members of the Progressive International, know that Jeremy Corbyn is under attack because of his life-long fight to transform Britain, to dismantle empire, and to defend the rights to care, peace, and freedom.

 

We, members of the Progressive International, stand united in the defence of Jeremy Corbyn, in defence of decency, and for the future of socialism in Britain and around the world.

Signatories

Alicia Castro
Former Ambassador of Argentina and Trade Union leader

Noam Chomsky
Laureate Professor of Linguistics, University of Arizona

Nikhil Dey
Founder-Member of Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan (MKSS)

Srećko Horvat
Co-Founder, DiEM25

Scott Ludlam
Former Senator, Australian Greens

John McDonnell
Member of Parliament for Hayes and Harlington

Vijay Prashad
Director of the Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research

Aruna Roy
Founder-Member, Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan (MKSS)

Pierre Sané
Founder-President, Imagine Africa Institute

Ahdaf Soueif
Author, Founder of Palestinian Festival of Literature

Yanis Varoufakis
Member of the Hellenic Parliament and the Secretary-General of MeRA25

I think it's becoming clear the Labour hierarchy have blundered here. The main unions have also put out a letter asking for Corbyn to be reinstated. 

[Gnasher]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I think it's becoming clear the Labour hierarchy have blundered here. The main unions have also put out a letter asking for Corbyn to be reinstated. 

More shit on the horizon 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/01/keir-starmer-accused-starting-labour-civil-war-corbyn-suspension-antisemitism

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

None of it matters. It’s just a few people saying things. It’s just the old guard sticking together. If something real happens, like he is kicked out, then they break away... that is a real thing. It’ll destroy them, but it’s a real thing. Right now it’s what needed to happen so this shit could start to heal. I personally hope he just steps down, but he won’t. 

[Section_31]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

More shit on the horizon 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/01/keir-starmer-accused-starting-labour-civil-war-corbyn-suspension-antisemitism

 

 

Don't see how, he's been getting grief from day one. Corbyn loyalists trash him all day, every day on blogs and twitter and in meetings, McClusky has pulled money, and this was before any of it. He had nothing to lose by taking the step he did.

[Rico1304]

I’m sure all the Labour voters who went over the Tories are heavily swayed by (checks the letter) an ex-ambassador from Argentina and a cofounder of Diem25.  It’s probably just what they’ve been waiting for.  

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m sure all the Labour voters who went over the Tories are heavily swayed by (checks the letter) an ex-ambassador from Argentina and a cofounder of Diem25.  It’s probably just what they’ve been waiting for.  

Yeah they spend their nights worrying about Margret Hodge receiving abusive messages on Twitter. That's the issue that concerns them.

[Kevin D]

4 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m sure all the Labour voters who went over the Tories are heavily swayed by (checks the letter) an ex-ambassador from Argentina and a cofounder of Diem25.  It’s probably just what they’ve been waiting for.  

 

Is it also possible that people trying to assess the veracity of Corbyn's hatred of Jews might be swayed by learning the greatest Jewish intellectual alive today - according to the New York Times - reckons it is an absolute crock of shit?

[Gnasher]

5 hours ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

None of it matters. It’s just a few people saying things. It’s just the old guard sticking together. If something real happens, like he is kicked out, then they break away... that is a real thing. It’ll destroy them, but it’s a real thing. Right now it’s what needed to happen so this shit could start to heal. I personally hope he just steps down, but he won’t. 

The seven unions who have signed a petition are the fabric that funds the party. As for individuals I doubt very much if they will leave either but that's up to them.