Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[lifetime fan]

It's the beginning of their assumptions being tested against reality. It isn't going to end well.

I hope so.

[PestiRed]

Free vote or will it be whipped?

[skend04]

So, what the fuck is actually going to happen now?

Hopefully, we somehow put together a sensible proposition for exiting rather than first start with paying loads of foreign companies to stay here and thus cutting public services altogether.

[Jairzinho]

Free vote or will it be whipped?

 

It surely can't be whipped.

[Jairzinho]

Hopefully, we somehow put together a sensible proposition for exiting rather than first start with paying loads of foreign companies to stay here and thus cutting public services altogether.

 

This process could go on indefinitely though, no?

 

Shit proposition - vote no. Shit proposition - vote no. Etc.

[cloggypop]

So, what the fuck is actually going to happen now?

We hear a lot less about fucking poppies.

[lifetime fan]

It surely can't be whipped.

Depends how much May wants to stay PM.

[PestiRed]

There's a certain irony in a bunch of people who voted for the sovereignty of the U.K. Parliament to be supreme now screaming because a judge has ruled that Parliament should be sovereign

[skend04]

This process could go on indefinitely though, no?

 

Shit proposition - vote no. Shit proposition - vote no. Etc.

Possible. But at least it's a case of someone saying "if we leave this is what will happen" something that was missing throughout the whole shitstorm. Unfortunately we will probably see the xenophobic rhetoric ramped up a million fold by the Mail et al.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Hopefully MP's have the sense to vote against article 50.

 

I have a feeling that secretly the Tory MP's in office will be hoping for this, who knows what will be said behind closed doors over a Whiskey or two and car keys in the basket session. 

[Neil G]

Not if they have to trigger article 50 by an act of parliament which will result in legislation which potentially allows the process of Brexit to be reviewed and amended.

 

It's a huge miscalculation by the Tory government who have taken the referendum as an opportunity to bypass parliament. The referendum was an advisory instruction to leave the EU, nothing more. It was not a mandate for the UK government to solely define the terms of that departure.

It might delay Article 50 being triggered, but it'll still be triggered and we'll still leave by March 2019. May will want us out by then so that it's out of the way well before the general election, and the EU will want us out by then to get some certainty and because the European Parliament elections take place in May 2019.

 

If the government ends up with 18 months to negotiate the exit deal rather than 2 years it won't be a big deal, as there won't be much happening before the German elections next September anyway. If there's no progress on a trade deal by say autumn 2018 the government have the option of remaining in the single market until 2022 or 2023, and they could then seek an explicit mandate at the GE for ending freedom of movement.

[skend04]

It might delay Article 50 being triggered, but it'll still be triggered and we'll still leave by March 2019. May will want us out by then so that it's out of the way well before the general election, and the EU will want us out by then to get some certainty and because the European Parliament elections take place in May 2019.

 

If the government ends up with 18 months to negotiate the exit deal rather than 2 years it won't be a big deal, as there won't be much happening before the German elections next September anyway. If there's no progress on a trade deal by say autumn 2018 the government have the option of remaining in the single market until 2022 or 2023, and they could then seek an explicit mandate at the GE for ending freedom of movement.

Article 50 is the trigger to negotiate leaving the EU. There is no start on trade deal discussions with other countries until we have left. There'll be no trade deal with the EU in the 2 years either, we might get a transitional deal but nothing else.

[Neil G]

Article 50 is the trigger to negotiate leaving the EU. There is no start on trade deal discussions with other countries until we have left. There'll be no trade deal with the EU in the 2 years either, we might get a transitional deal but nothing else.

That's exactly what I said, no? The trade deal I was referring to was with the EU, not with external countries.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

You okay njackets? Inbox me, hun xxx

[lifetime fan]

You okay njackets? Inbox me, hun xxx

Hahahahaha

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It'll still go through anyway. But, hopefully, on a sensible basis.

 

I wouldny expect free votes on it as career politicians will be shitting themselves over potentially getting voted out. Plus, Labour have just released a statement which suggests that they won't be pursuing a blocking of Brexit, but instead a exit with more scrutiny on the effects on jobs, the economy etc.

[PestiRed]

If every MP voted according to the referendum outcome in their constituency, does anyone know what the results would be?

[lifetime fan]

If every MP voted according to the referendum outcome in their constituency, does anyone know what the results would be?

Out comfortably, I believe.

 

I'd have to double check though.

[skend04]

If every MP voted according to the referendum outcome in their constituency, does anyone know what the results would be?

Tory I think as of this moment. But there's no chance of a GE now until the 5 years have run, UKIP would gain way too much ground. That's why Corbyn immediately coming out and saying it doesn't change the referendum is decent politicking. MPs are going to have take the initiative away from Farage somehow. Or Harold Shipman him.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

If the Gov't appeal to the supreme court and lose will they appeal to the European Court of Justice. 

[Hand Shandy]

Fucking hilarious this, you couldn't make it up if you tried.

 

Armando Iannucci must be gutted - he'd have had a field day with this clusterfuck.

[cloggypop]

You okay njackets? Inbox me, hun xxx

[Anubis]

Not that I'm finding any amusement in this....

 

 

[aws]

If the Gov't appeal to the supreme court and lose will they appeal to the European Court of Justice.

 

 

i think they'd call an election, UKIP would probably stand down against them and May would get a majority of 100 plus .

[stringvest]

The sovereignty of Parliament is back even earlier than the Brexiters anticipated.