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Should the UK remain a member of the EU


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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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39 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

Well most people are fine with people changing their mind, you get new information your opinions can change. Rico and SD might want to consider that when referencing shit about Corbyn from the 80s, 90s etc. I find it quite funny Dunt was a Lexit man and his followers have spent the past few years moaning about how Corbyn voted in 1993. 

 

Looks like as soon this bill passes Labour will approve an election. 

Corbyn still has his ‘friends’ - unless he’s said

they aren't his friends any more. 

 

Ive said ill change my vote on how it impacts me and mine. I’ll vote for JC if he comes out full remain. At the moment I’ll vote Lib Dem as they’ve more chance of winning our seat from William Wragg - and I hope to tell him that face to face on Friday. 

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The thing with most of the 22 deselected, (if it happens at all) is that they'll probably be glad to be well out of the Tory shitshow as it tears itself asunder, and before long, they'll have one or more cushy 6 figure directorships or consultancy for doing fuck all. 

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Ken Clarke, one of the Tory rebels who faces losing the party whip, insists on BBC Newsnight that he is still a Conservative, but the party has changed.

He says "it’s been taken over by a rather knockabout character who has this bizarre 'crash-it-through' philosophy" and says the cabinet is "the most right-wing any Conservative Party has ever produced".

"They're not in control of events. The prime minister comes and talks complete rubbish to us."

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9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Hammond kicked out of the party.

 

Boris Johnson's hypocrisy, being as he voted against May's deal on several occasions, is going to bite him in the arse big time. Surely he isn't even that thick not to realise the rebels he is kicking out have party members/MP's in their corner. I actually don't think Johnson gives a fuck about the Tory party, he's just interested in stroking the cock of those who will see him alright in the future. Don't be surprised to see him as a future member of the Brexit party or whatever the fucking hell Farage and the bums who back him dream up as a future party. 

Regardless of what happens with Brexit, UK politics and the country is split beyond repair for the foreseeable future. 

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2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Ken Clarke, one of the Tory rebels who faces losing the party whip, insists on BBC Newsnight that he is still a Conservative, but the party has changed.

He says "it’s been taken over by a rather knockabout character who has this bizarre 'crash-it-through' philosophy" and says the cabinet is "the most right-wing any Conservative Party has ever produced".

"They're not in control of events. The prime minister comes and talks complete rubbish to us."

Secsh should sue.

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JOHN CRACE in THE GUARDIAN

 

It had never really been in doubt. Obi Wan Bercow was always going to say yes to the Rebel Alliance, so there was little suspense when Tory MP Oliver Letwin rose to request an emergency debate on voting to prevent the government from allowing the UK to crash out of the EU with no deal.

 

He did so with his usual clarity and good grace. Something that was not reciprocated by Jacob Rees-Mogg, who gave a particularly disingenuous reply. For a man who claims to venerate parliamentary democracy, he is curiously reluctant to accept the legitimacy of parliament. But it was all basically just theatre anyway. A three-act show to which everyone knew the ending, given the number of Tory MPs who had already promised to vote against their government.

 

The real drama had taken place several hours earlier. There are shitshows and there are shitshows. And this one was something else. If there have been worse performances from a prime minister at the dispatch box in the last five years, no one could remember them. Much more of this and letters will be piling up in the 1922 Committee demanding the return of Theresa May. This was the day Boris Johnson was stripped bare. Exposed as the Great Pretender. A mere carapace of vaulting ambition, which o’erleaps itself and falls on th’other.

 

Johnson had come to the Commons to give a statement on the G7 summit; he left half-broken, his reputation in tatters. Long before the end of his 90-minute appearance, most of his Tory MPs had left. Even those who clung to their careers enough to vote with him later in the day would now do so only under sufferance as it dawned on them just how badly they had been mis-sold. The PPI-claims hotline for duff prime ministers would soon be in meltdown.

They had been promised a new Churchill. Instead they had an amoral chancer who was planning to deselect Churchill’s grandson for doing what he himself had done on two occasions just months previously. They had been promised a Clown Prince. Someone who could charm both the party and country. They had been landed with a music-hall act who was long past his sell-by date. An amateur stand-up who would be booed off stage within seconds at the Edinburgh Fringe.

 

“We are on the verge of taking back control,” Johnson began. Just as Tory MP Phillip Lee rose from the Tory benches and crossed the floor of the house to join the Lib Dems. In that moment the Tories had lost their majority. Taking back control now looked rather like losing it completely. The crown had just got even more hollow.

 

Boris tried to make light of it. To carry on making a few weak gags that drew no laughter. To treat the occasion as if it was just another night out at the Oxford Union. But slowly it dawned on him that the Age of Entitlement had passed. He just wasn’t up to the job he’d always believed to be his birthright.

 

Being prime minister required more than arrogance and bullshit. More than a quick read of Game Theory for Dommies. It involved both clarity of thought and responsibility. Neither of which had ever been his strong suit. He mumbled and bumbled, waving his arms at random. Even his own front bench looked embarrassed when he started accusing the opposition and Tory rebels of being collaborators.

 

It went further downhill for Johnson when Jeremy Corbyn, who is rapidly looking more and more statesmanlike just by not being Boris, and MPs from all sides of the house cut through the waffle and demanded real answers. Even Philip Hammond, a man who had displayed no personality as chancellor, now looked like a beacon of charisma in comparison to Johnson.

 

Why was he being dishonest about the real reason for the lengthy prorogation? If he was making such good progress towards getting a deal, how come he couldn’t provide any details? Why wouldn’t he reveal the risks of a no-deal Brexit? And would his government be bound by the rule of law? Johnson only had more bluster.

 

Forget the noises from the EU who were insisting that the UK had come up with no new proposals. He had loads of cunning plans. There was a meeting of the Alternative Arrangements Committee in Dundalk next week to which two lorry drivers and a badger were coming. He was operating in a world of four-dimensional chess that only he and Dom and Dommer could understand. Trust me.

 

No one did. His one known talent is for lying. Even when he eventually whispered something about being bound by the rule of law, no one believed him. Because just minutes earlier he had insisted that there were no circumstances under which he would extend article 50 beyond 31 October. Something has to give and Johnson hasn’t a clue what.

 

Desperation is etched deep into his face. Every day a scramble to do or say anything to maintain his hold on power. Power that was visibly ebbing away the longer he was on his feet. He appeared almost grateful when the Speaker put him out of his misery. But he’d be back later for yet more pain. A vote he would almost certainly lose. At this rate he could yet be the UK’s shortest-serving prime minister. Something to tell Carrie and the dog.

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3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

It's actually -43.

Ah yeah, I didn't factor in the swing. 

 

After deselecting the rebels it will be more, as they are bound to have their own supporters who will almost certainly leave the sinking ship. 

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3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Carrie will be ducking copies of Tailcoats, Top hats and Trials as we speak.

 

Just hope Larry the Cat has found a suitable quiet place. 

 

Larry the cat is eyeing up the new puppy and purring in contentment. 

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6 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Larry the cat is eyeing up the new puppy and purring in contentment. 

Larry will be making late night booty calls to El Gato.

"Not long, mí amor. We will be together."

 

(Of course, the trouble with cat booty calls is you never know if she's turned on or she's hung up.)

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