Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Megadrive Man]

Wallace and Gromit are the latest victims.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/feb/06/aardman-uk-animators-may-have-to-move-abroad

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The Prof is really not a fan of the DUP or the Tory Brexit loons.

 

 

[skend04]

The rationing of fruit and veg is obviously global headwinds (©️ BBC Propaganda News) and nothing to do with Brexit...

[derykw]

12 hours ago, skend04 said:

The rationing of fruit and veg is obviously global headwinds (©️ BBC Propaganda News) and nothing to do with Brexit...

Apparently it's due to weather conditions across Spain and North Africa.  It even reported this on local radio news this morning for some reason. Pure propaganda imo, brexit can't be allowed to be the cause of any adversity, it's either covid, Putin and now the weather. Next they 'll blaming the horoscopes.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

12 hours ago, skend04 said:

The rationing of fruit and veg is obviously global headwinds (©️ BBC Propaganda News) and nothing to do with Brexit...

People’s opinions on this probably depend on whether they are leaf or romaine.

[Arniepie]

36 minutes ago, derykw said:

Apparently it's due to weather conditions across Spain and North Africa.  It even reported this on local radio news this morning for some reason. Pure propaganda imo, brexit can't be allowed to be the cause of any adversity, it's either covid, Putin and now the weather. Next they 'll blaming the horoscopes.

There are loads of pictures of full shelves across Europe. 

I genuinely think they are prohibited from saying the b word in any economic story.

[Gnasher]

31 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

There are loads of pictures of full shelves across Europe. 

I genuinely think they are prohibited from saying the b word in any economic story.

 

The shortages have little to do with brexit and a lot to do with climate change and hard headed capitalism. Unpredictable and extreme European weather is affecting imported crops.  Supermarkets in Britain are making huge profits yet are squeezing producers untill the pips squeak. Poor or non existent profit margins and lack of government support saw many of our British producers not grow home grown indoor crops because of increasing heating and lighting costs.

 

The days of consumers being king are long gone. Big corperations are making so much money with so little effort and minimal government interference their  consumers have become almost irrelevant. The likes of Shell/Centrica, Tesco, Lloyd's bank and all of big businesses attitude to their customers is to simply shrug and say go whistle.

 

 

[skend04]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

The shortages have little to do with brexit and a lot to do with climate change and hard headed capitalism. Unpredictable and extreme European weather is affecting imported crops.  Supermarkets in Britain are making huge profits yet are squeezing producers untill the pips squeak. Poor or non existent profit margins and lack of government support saw many of our British producers not grow home grown indoor crops because of increasing heating and lighting costs.

 

The days of consumers being king are long gone. Big corperations are making so much money with so little effort and minimal government interference their  consumers have become almost irrelevant. The likes of Shell/Centrica, Tesco, Lloyd's bank and all of big businesses attitude to their customers is to simply shrug and say go whistle.

 

 

 

And yet the European supermarkets all appear to be well stocked. Is climate change only affecting the UK?

 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

And yet the European supermarkets all appear to be well stocked. Is climate change only affecting the UK?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/22/problem-shortage-fresh-food-uk-supermarkets

 

 

[skend04]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/22/problem-shortage-fresh-food-uk-supermarkets

 

 

 

I guess you haven't read it all then. 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

I guess you haven't read it all then. 

 

You'd be guessing wrong. As stated the 'main' reasons for shortages are the cold weather snaps and the rising costs of indoor growing due to energy costs. We should just about survive. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64718826

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Nelly-Matip said:

People’s opinions on this probably depend on whether they are leaf or romaine.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

47 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

The shortages have little to do with brexit and a lot to do with climate change and hard headed capitalism. Unpredictable and extreme European weather is affecting imported crops.  Supermarkets in Britain are making huge profits yet are squeezing producers untill the pips squeak. Poor or non existent profit margins and lack of government support saw many of our British producers not grow home grown indoor crops because of increasing heating and lighting costs.

 

The days of consumers being king are long gone. Big corperations are making so much money with so little effort and minimal government interference their  consumers have become almost irrelevant. The likes of Shell/Centrica, Tesco, Lloyd's bank and all of big businesses attitude to their customers is to simply shrug and say go whistle.

 

 

"Hard-headed capitalism" dictates that you sell stuff wherever it's easier and most profitable. Brexit made the UK harder and less profitable to do business with.

 

As with other shortages, they may not be caused by Brexit, but they're undeniably aggravated by it.

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"Hard-headed capitalism" dictates that you sell stuff wherever it's easier and most profitable. Brexit made the UK harder and less profitable to do business with.

 

As with other shortages, they may not be caused by Brexit, but they're undeniably aggravated by it.

 

The problem of shoppers being temporarily limited to three cucumbers per person in tesco has very little to do with Brexit Angry. It's preposterous. 

 

Climate change is the main danger to the world's food supplies/output and it could soon become catastrophic.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

The problem of shoppers being temporarily limited to three cucumbers per person in tesco has very little to do with Brexit Angry. It's preposterous. 

 

Climate change is the main danger to the world's food supplies/output and it could soon become catastrophic.

You can't pretend that it's coincidence that problems with international trade have hit the UK harder than most countries since we implemented barriers to international trade.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You can't pretend that it's coincidence that problems with international trade have hit the UK harder than most countries since we implemented barriers to international trade.

 

Hit? Lets get a grip. We are facing a  temporary shortage of tomatoes and cucumbers caused by a cold winter. A limit of three cucumbers per person. You can still pop buy more than enough for the average family's consumption. Although I now vaguely remember the country going into meltdown when the Nandos chicken outlet were hit with a temporary own brand sauce shortage during the summer of 2020.

 

Meanwhile. African and Asian countries are facing drought and starvation due to climate change.

 

https://www.concern.net/news/climate-change-and-hunger

 

 

 

[cloggypop]

21 hours ago, skend04 said:

The rationing of fruit and veg is obviously global headwinds (©️ BBC Propaganda News) and nothing to do with Brexit...

 

We don't seem to be rationing fruit and veg over here although Digros had run out of own brand chocolate Hob Nobs last week. 

[Pete]

7 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You can't pretend that it's coincidence that problems with international trade have hit the UK harder than most countries since we implemented barriers to international trade.

Yes he can.

[Rushies tash]

 

[Bjornebye]

10 hours ago, Nelly-Matip said:

People’s opinions on this probably depend on whether they are leaf or romaine.

Superb. As veg puns go, this is just the tip of the iceberg 

[skend04]

8 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Hit? Lets get a grip. We are facing a  temporary shortage of tomatoes and cucumbers caused by a cold winter. A limit of three cucumbers per person. You can still pop buy more than enough for the average family's consumption. Although I now vaguely remember the country going into meltdown when the Nandos chicken outlet were hit with a temporary own brand sauce shortage during the summer of 2020.

 

Meanwhile. African and Asian countries are facing drought and starvation due to climate change.

 

https://www.concern.net/news/climate-change-and-hunger

 

 

 

 

You can't even get the correct fast food outlet, no wonder you're struggling with answering a simple question as to why there's only rationing here and full shelves over the Channel.

 

It was KFC by the way.

[Gnasher]

39 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

You can't even get the correct fast food outlet, no wonder you're struggling with answering a simple question as to why there's only rationing here and full shelves over the Channel.

 

It was KFC by the way.

 

The reasons were clearly explained in the articles. Producers didn't bother with large indoor greenhouse grows because of rising energy costs added to profit margins being shaved to the bone by supermarkets. The main reason for food supply shortages is cold snaps and drought caused by climate change. Brexits impact is slight.

 

 

 

Their are dozens of legitimate

examples of where Brexit has had adverse impact on Britain but this really isn't one of them. 

 

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/cold-weather-and-climate-change-explained/

 

https://www.concern.net/news/climate-change-and-hunger

 

 

The KFC/Nandos whoever thing was a throwaway joke about British consumers continued ability to fire straight into panic mode when faced with a tiny inconvenience. Such as below.

 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

Hit? Lets get a grip. We are facing a  temporary shortage of tomatoes and cucumbers caused by a cold winter. A limit of three cucumbers per person. You can still pop buy more than enough for the average family's consumption. Although I now vaguely remember the country going into meltdown when the Nandos chicken outlet were hit with a temporary own brand sauce shortage during the summer of 2020.

 

Meanwhile. African and Asian countries are facing drought and starvation due to climate change.

 

https://www.concern.net/news/climate-change-and-hunger

 

 

 

Stop swerving.

 

As I've made pretty clear, I'm not just talking about the current fruit and veg shortage: I'm talking about all the shortages of all sorts of stuff that we have had and will continue to have - all of which will continue to hit the UK harder, because 51.9% of the voters decided to put up barriers.

 

And the deflection tactic of " but it's worse in Africa" doesn't wash, either. I don't see you on other threads saying, for example, "stop whining about what the Tories are doing to workers'rights, because it's worse in North Korea".

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Gnasher - do you believe that the current problems with fruit and veg supply are hitting the UK and other European countries equally?

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Gnasher - do you believe that the current problems with fruit and veg supply are hitting the UK and other European countries equally?

 

The question is irrelevant Angry. The question should be why? We've shut down our winter greenhouses, they haven't. What's so difficult to understand?  

 

The reason for shortages of certain items in Britain is climate change and corporate greed. The evidence is there, the people throughout the food industry have explained the problems clearly, it has little to do with Brexit.

 

Trying to blame other factors because of an outcry on twitter is similar to blaming immigrants for a shortage of doctors appointments compered to other countries. You're venturing away from reality like some antivax conspiracy theorist. It's equally as dangerous because it ignores the main problem, climate change.

 

https://www.concern.net/news/climate-change-and-hunger

 

 

You're also giving our government a free pass for the inadequate energy rise response and the CEOs of supermarkets such as Tesco/Sainsbury off the hook for blatant profiteering ffs.