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Iran Accuses US and Israel

VladimirIlyich

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I'm well aware of the history, political and otherwise, you cheeky fucker. I certainly don't need your typically skewed version of it. I have the additional context of actually visiting Israel on more than one occasion, and working with and dealing with Israelis over many years. I know several British Jews who are embarrassed, resentful, and ashamed of the behaviour of the Israelis. Your post was absolutely typical of the shite emanating from Israelis who genuinely believe they have a moderate and relatively objective view. Perhaps you do, for an Israeli, but let's not pretend it stands up in any other context.

 

Don't paint me with that brush. If you actually bothered to ask me some genuine questions about what's happening right now in Gaza, you'd figure out pretty quickly that I oppose my government policy as well as their latest acts in Gaza (and I'm a very small minortiy). The problem is you're making the discussion into the "Israel are evil and the Palestinians are innocent, Israel shouldn't exist" crap which is completely ridiculous so I'm calling you out on it.

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The Israeli government to me represent the single biggest threat to world peace. The US and its allies would have us believe it is Iran Syria or Al Qaeda, but for my money wiping this blemish of a state off the middle eastern map would be a massive step forward in term of global tolerance and integration.

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It will end. There are people like ODZ on both sides, and they will prevail. Then there are the TLW "ITKs" as far as the conflict in the ME goes, who spread the doom, and help no one. They will disappear and the hope and peace will come with reasonable people, accepting the rights of both sides.

 

Hard to find it here, though....

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Yes, if there's one message to take from this thread it's that reality, and the citing of it, isn't going to help anybody.

 

Any T-Shirts to help the situation Stu?

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Don't paint me with that brush. If you actually bothered to ask me some genuine questions about what's happening right now in Gaza, you'd figure out pretty quickly that I oppose my government policy as well as their latest acts in Gaza (and I'm a very small minortiy). The problem is you're making the discussion into the "Israel are evil and the Palestinians are innocent, Israel shouldn't exist" crap which is completely ridiculous so I'm calling you out on it.

The poster never said anything about Israel shouldnt exsist which suggests it is you with some sort of problem with that.

 

But anyway I will call you on that one and state that it shouldnt exsist and neither would it if it wasnt for English greed and the belief of some sort of god giving right.

 

Millions throughtout history have lost there homelands it happens.

 

Wars etc cause this to happen and its one of them things.

 

But the Israel thing is something else as in were as others have lost theres and the y have just set up new lives etc and carried on,that has never happend with a lot of the Jewish community throughout history.

 

They have always demanded they want t o be given part of Palastine back as it is there original homeland.

 

So what makes them different to others is it arrogance or there belief in something written in a book along time ago.

 

Before you start the oh your anti Jewish etc I can state here clearly for you that is not the case at all.

 

Since the farce of the totally headscratching Balfour declaration in which part of Palastine was to be just handed back to the zionist movement thus giving them part of another country to start afresh from,just so us English would win over the Jewish community and for future funding in times of crisis is comical if it wasnt for the fact Israel has never just settled for this.

 

Not happy with being given part of another country basically for free and then after the second world war a bigger percentage of the country for free,it is still expanding today by just taking more land by killing.

 

All the while whilst Israel continues to illegally expand its borders by taking what isnt theres,they are allowed to get away with it.

 

The rest of the world turn a blind eye to Israel continuing expansion of its borders.

 

Just how many world treaties that other countries stick to do Israel just ignore and carry on doing what it wants?

 

Total farce and yes back to the original point which is the fact that no Israel should not exsist and it is a total farce that it does.

 

But now that it does exsist it is still not happy about and wants more.

 

Oh and the posters saying about Israel being a nuclear power,well it isnt known that it is truely is.

 

I mean take 1968 when the Israel ambassador to the United States declares that Israel would not be the first to bring nuclear weapons the area statement.

 

Then the point of Israel never admitting or denying it has nuclear weapons.

 

Even though former President of the United States Jimmy Carter saying years back that Israel had around 150 nuclear weapons back then.

 

I am sorry if this annoys you but Israel should not exsist and shouldnt exsist as what makes it different to any who have lost there homelands?

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Since the farce of the totally headscratching Balfour declaration in which part of Palastine was to be just handed back to the zionist movement thus giving them part of another country to start afresh from

 

 

This is not strictly true. Here is the text of the declaration:

 

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

 

Nothing there about part of Palestine being "just handed back" to the Zionists; indeed it's clear that that would go against the latter portion of the declaration stating that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

 

Of course, further complicating the issue, Britain had also promised Palestine to both the Arabs and the Hashemites. In the end the Hashemites got most of Palestine, which is the kingdom we now know as Jordan, and the western portion was administered by the British.

 

Jews had been immigrating to the region since the 1880s, but under the British, Jewish immigration into the Palestinian Mandate increased. Far from the land being "given" to them, at first land was bought legitimately.

 

The British and Americans imposed quotas severely restricting the number of immigrants, although thousands more than intended illegally entered the territory.

 

The Arabs didn't take kindly to the immigrants, and violence against the Jews increased considerably. In response, the British looked at partitioning the Mandate in the 1930s but ultimately rejected the proposal due to Arab hostility to a two state solution.

 

After World War 2 the British were no longer a major world power, and handed responsibility for the whole sorry mess to the United Nations, although as you can see from this thread, a number of British people still believe it's their right to dictate to the people of the Middle East. I guess it's hard for them to let go of those old colonial attitudes...

 

The UN also proposed partitioning the region, but this was again rejected by the Arabs.

 

220px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

 

Nevertheless, fearing a new Holocaust at the hands of the Arabs, who had sided with the Nazis in World War 2, the Jews supported the UN plan, and declared independence on 14 May 1948.

 

On 15 May 1948, the fledgling Israeli state was invaded by all of its neighbours. The Arab-Israeli war resulted in a decisive victory for Israel, which captured half of the land earmarked by the United Nations for the Arab state. Spoils of war and all that...

 

just so us English would win over the Jewish community and for future funding in times of crisis is comical if it wasnt for the fact Israel has never just settled for this.

 

 

It's impossible to say, of course, but how can anyone know whether Israel wouldn't have settled for the land they were originally allotted had they not been invaded en masse? The territory gained by Israel since independence was captured after military victories in wars that were not initiated by them.

 

Surely we can condemn present Israeli actions in the occupied territories without rewriting history to paint Israel as the bad guys and the Arabs as the good guys? Things are not black and white.

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This is not strictly true. Here is the text of the declaration:

 

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

 

Nothing there about part of Palestine being "just handed back" to the Zionists; indeed it's clear that that would go against the latter portion of the declaration stating that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

 

Of course, further complicating the issue, Britain had also promised Palestine to both the Arabs and the Hashemites. In the end the Hashemites got most of Palestine, which is the kingdom we now know as Jordan, and the western portion was administered by the British.

 

Jews had been immigrating to the region since the 1880s, but under the British, Jewish immigration into the Palestinian Mandate increased. Far from the land being "given" to them, at first land was bought legitimately.

 

The British and Americans imposed quotas severely restricting the number of immigrants, although thousands more than intended illegally entered the territory.

 

The Arabs didn't take kindly to the immigrants, and violence against the Jews increased considerably. In response, the British looked at partitioning the Mandate in the 1930s but ultimately rejected the proposal due to Arab hostility to a two state solution.

 

After World War 2 the British were no longer a major world power, and handed responsibility for the whole sorry mess to the United Nations, although as you can see from this thread, a number of British people still believe it's their right to dictate to the people of the Middle East. I guess it's hard for them to let go of those old colonial attitudes...

 

The UN also proposed partitioning the region, but this was again rejected by the Arabs.

 

220px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

 

Nevertheless, fearing a new Holocaust at the hands of the Arabs, who had sided with the Nazis in World War 2, the Jews supported the UN plan, and declared independence on 14 May 1948.

 

On 15 May 1948, the fledgling Israeli state was invaded by all of its neighbours. The Arab-Israeli war resulted in a decisive victory for Israel, which captured half of the land earmarked by the United Nations for the Arab state. Spoils of war and all that...

 

 

 

 

It's impossible to say, of course, but how can anyone know whether Israel wouldn't have settled for the land they were originally allotted had they not been invaded en masse? The territory gained by Israel since independence was captured after military victories in wars that were not initiated by them.

 

Surely we can condemn present Israeli actions in the occupied territories without rewriting history to paint Israel as the bad guys and the Arabs as the good guys? Things are not black and white.

Britain had denounced the Zionist right to Palastine in 39 I think it was.

 

What happend after world war 2 was two things both you could say was to do with the atrocity of the holocaust.

 

The first was the Jewish settlement being given a even big portion of Palastinain land.

 

Second on the worlwide condemation of the holocaust and the world sympathy at the time towards the Jewish people they pushed for the new country of Israel to be set up.

 

This got accepted and the country of Israel was formed.

 

The day after it was formed most of the Arabic countries joined forces with the Palastinians to take back the land the new country of Israel had been handed illegally by other countries.

 

This is were most of what is going on today stems from.

 

Now the new country of Israel claim they were defending there territory a reference they still use today for taking land.

 

Me I am more with what the historians say well up to a point that is and that the new country of Israel infact used it as a way to take even more land.

 

Most historians are more exact in actually calling it the cleansing or genocide of the Palastinain people and then taking the land from these killings or from the Plasatinains who fled there land as there own.

 

But Israel use this claim of defnce or security for everything they do even today.

 

So I wonder why the UN or more importantly the human rights organisation have issued more resolutions condeming Israel than the rest of the states put together.

 

The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern Israel and bordering states such as Lebanon. The Human Rights Council has adopted more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other states combined.[1]

From 1967 to 1989 the UN Security Council adopted 131 resolutions directly addressing the Arab–Israeli conflict. In early Security Council practice, resolutions did not directly invoke Chapter VII. They made an explicit determination of a threat, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, and ordered an action in accordance with Article 39 or 40. Resolution 54 determined that a threat to peace existed within the meaning of Article 39 of the Charter, reiterated the need for a truce, and ordered a cease-fire pursuant to Article 40 of the Charter. Although the phrase "Acting under Chapter VII" was never mentioned as the basis for the action taken, the chapter's authority was being used.[2]

The United Nations General Assembly has adopted a number of resolutions saying that the strategic relationship with the United States encourages Israel to pursue aggressive and expansionist policies and practices.[3] The 9th Emergency Session of the General Assembly was convened at the request of the Security Council when the United States blocked efforts to adopt sanctions against Israel.[4] The United States responded to the frequent criticism from UN organs by adopting the Negroponte doctrine.

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  1. Resolution 42: The Palestine Question (5 March 1948) Requests recommendations for the Palestine Commission
  2. Resolution 43: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Recognizes "increasing violence and disorder in Palestine" and requests that representatives of "the Jewish Agency for Palestine and the Arab Higher Committee" arrange, with the Security Council, "a truce between the Arab and Jewish Communities of Palestine...Calls upon Arab and Jewish armed groups in Palestine to cease acts of violence immediately."
  3. Resolution 44: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Requests convocation of special session of the General Assembly
  4. Resolution 46: The Palestine Question (17 Apr 1948) As the United Kingdom is the Mandatory Power, "it is responsible for the maintenance of peace and order in Palestine." The Resolutions also "Calls upon all persons and organizations in Palestine" to stop importing "armed bands and fighting personnel...whatever their origin;...weapons and war materials;...Refrain, pending the future government of Palestine...from any political activity which might prejudice the rights, claims, or position of either community;...refrain from any action which will endanger the safety of the Holy Places in Palestine."
  5. Resolution 48: April 23, 1948, calls on all concerned parties to comply with UNSC Resolution 46 and establishes a Truce Commission for Palestine to assist the SC in implementing the truce. Approved 8-0, abstentions from Colombia, Ukrainian SSR and USSR.
  6. Resolution 49: May 22, 1948 issues a cease-fire order to come into effect at noon, May 24, 1948, New York time. Orders the Truce Commission for Palestine previously set up to report on compliance. Adopted by 8-0, abstentions from Ukrainian SSR, USSR and Syria.
  7. Resolution 50: May 29, 1948, calls for a four week ceasefire covering Palestine, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Transjordan and Yemen. Urges all to protect the Holy Places and Jerusalem. Offers the UN Mediator as many military observers as necessary. Further violations and the Council would consider action under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. Adopted in parts; no voting on the resolution as a whole.
  8. Resolution 53: The Palestine Question (7 Jul 1948)
  9. Resolution 54: The Palestine Question (15 Jul 1948)
  10. Resolution 56: The Palestine Question (19 Aug 1948)
  11. Resolution 57: The Palestine Question (18 Sep 1948)
  12. Resolution 59: The Palestine Question (19 Oct 1948)
  13. Resolution 60: The Palestine Question (29 Oct 1948)
  14. Resolution 61: The Palestine Question (4 Nov 1948)
  15. Resolution 62: The Palestine Question (16 Nov 1948)
  16. Resolution 66: The Palestine Question (29 Dec 1948)
  17. Resolution 72: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
  18. Resolution 73: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
  19. Resolution 89 (17 November 1950): regarding Armistice in 1948 Arab-Israeli War and "transfer of persons".
  20. Resolution 92: The Palestine Question (8 May 1951)
  21. Resolution 93: The Palestine Question (18 May 1951)
  22. Resolution 95: The Palestine Question (1 Sep 1951)
  23. Resolution 100: The Palestine Question (27 Oct 1953)
  24. Resolution 101: The Palestine Question (24 Nov 1953)
  25. Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid.
  26. Resolution 107: The Palestine Question (30 March)
  27. Resolution 108: The Palestine Question (8 September)
  28. Resolution 111: The Palestine Question (January 19, 1956) " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
  29. Resolution 113: The Palestine Question (4 April)
  30. Resolution 114: The Palestine Question (4 June)
  31. Resolution 127: The Palestine Question (January 22, 1958) " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
  32. Resolution 138: (June 23, 1960) Question relating to the case of Israel's capture of Adolf Eichmann, concerning Argentina's complaint that Israel breached its sovereignty.
  33. Resolution 162: The Palestine Question (April 11, 1961) " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
  34. Resolution 171: The Palestine Question (April 9, 1962) " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
  35. Resolution 228: The Palestine Question (November 25, 1966) " ... 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
  36. Resolution 233 Six Day War (June 6, 1967)
  37. Resolution 234 Six Day War (June 7, 1967)
  38. Resolution 235 Six Day War (June 9, 1967)
  39. Resolution 236 Six Day War (June 11, 1967)
  40. Resolution 237: Six Day War June 14, 1967) " ... 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees". and called on Israel to ensure the safety and welfare of inhabitants of areas where fighting had taken place.
  41. Resolution 240 (October 25, 1967): concerning violations of the cease-fire
  42. Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
  43. Resolution 248: (March 24, 1968) " ... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
  44. Resolution 250: (April 27) " ... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
  45. Resolution 251: (May 2) " ... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
  46. Resolution 252: (May 21) " ... 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
  47. Resolution 256: (August 16) " ... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
  48. Resolution 258: (September 18) ... expressed 'concern' with the welfare of the inhabitants of the Israeli-occupied territories, and requested a special representative to be sent to report on the implementation of Resolution 237, and that Israel cooperate.
  49. Resolution 259: (September 27) " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
  50. Resolution 262: (December 31) " ... 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
  51. Resolution 265: (April 1, 1969) " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on Salt".
  52. Resolution 267: (July 3) " ... 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
  53. Resolution 270: (August 26) " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
  54. Resolution 271: (September 15) " ... 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
  55. Resolution 279: (May 12, 1970) "Demands the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli armed forces from Lebanese territory."(full text)
  56. Resolution 280: (May 19) " ... 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
  57. Resolution 285: (September 5) " ... 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon".
  58. Resolution 298: (September 25, 1971) " ... 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
  59. Resolution 313: (February 28, 1972) " ... 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
  60. Resolution 316: (June 26) " ... 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
  61. Resolution 317: (July 21) " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
  62. Resolution 331: (April 20, 1973)
  63. Resolution 332: (April 21) " ... 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
  64. Resolution 337: (August 15) " ... 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty and territorial integrity and for the forcible diversion and seizure of a Lebanese airliner from Lebanon's air space".
  65. Resolution 338 (22 October 1973): " ...'calls' for a cease fire" in Yom Kippur War and "the implementation of Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) in all of its parts", and "Decides that, immediately and concurrently with the cease-fire, negotiations shall start between the parties concerned under appropriate auspices aimed at establishing a just and durable peace in the Middle East."
  66. Resolution 339 (23 October 1973): Confirms Res. 338, dispatch UN observers.
  67. Resolution 340 (25 October): "Demands that immediate and complete cease-fire be observed, per 338 and 339, and requests to increase the number of United Nations military observers
  68. Resolution 341 (27 October): "Approves the report on the implementation resolution 340
  69. Resolution 344 (15 December)
  70. Resolution 346 (April 8, 1974)
  71. Resolution 347: (April 24)" ... 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
  72. Resolution 350 (31 May 1974) established the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, to monitor the ceasefire between Israel and Syria in the wake of the Yom Kippur War.
  73. Resolution 362 (October 23) decides to extend the mandate of the United Nations Emergency Force for another six months
  74. Resolution 363 (November 29)
  75. Resolution 368 (April 17, 1975), called on the parties involved in the prevailing state of tension in the Middle East to immediately implement Resolution 338.
  76. Resolution 369 (May 28, 1975), expressed concern over the prevailing state of tension in the Middle East, reaffirmed that the two previous agreements were only a step towards the implementation of Resolution 338 and called on the parties to implement it, and extended the mandate of the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  77. Resolution 371, expressed concern at a lack of progress towards a lasting peace in the Middle East.
  78. Resolution 378, called for the implementation of Resolution 338 and extended the mandate of the United Nations Emergency Force.
  79. Resolution 381, expressed concern over continued tensions, extended the mandate of the United Nations Emergency Force, and scheduled a later meeting to continue the debate on the Middle East.
  80. Resolution 390, considered a report regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force and extended its mandate, noted the efforts to establish peace in the Middle East, but expressed concern over the prevailing state of tensions, and called for the implementation of Resolution 338.
  81. Resolution 396
  82. Resolution 408
  83. Resolution 416
  84. Resolution 420, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  85. Resolution 425 (1978): " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was completed by 16 June 2000.
  86. Resolution 426, established the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL).
  87. Resolution 427: " ... 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon".
  88. Resolution 429
  89. Resolution 434, renewed the mandate of UNIFIL and called upon Israel and Lebanon to implement prior resolutions.
  90. Resolution 438
  91. Resolution 441
  92. Resolution 444: " ... 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
  93. Resolution 446 (1979): 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
  94. Resolution 449, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  95. Resolution 450: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
  96. Resolution 452: " ... 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
  97. Resolution 456, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  98. Resolution 459, regarding UNIFIL.
  99. Resolution 465: " ... 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
  100. Resolution 467: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
  101. Resolution 468: " ... 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
  102. Resolution 469: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".
  103. Resolution 470, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  104. Resolution 471: " ... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
  105. Resolution 474, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  106. Resolution 476: " ... 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
  107. Resolution 478 (20 August 1980): 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'.
  108. Resolution 481, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  109. Resolution 483, noted the continuing need for UNIFIL given the situation between Israel and Lebanon, and extended its mandate.
  110. Resolution 484: " ... 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".
  111. Resolution 485, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  112. Resolution 487: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility".
  113. Resolution 488, regarding UNIFIL.
  114. Resolution 493, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  115. Resolution 497 (17 December 1981), decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
  116. Resolution 498: " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
  117. Resolution 501: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
  118. Resolution 506, regarding the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force.
  119. Resolution 508: demanded an end to hostilities between Israel and the PLO taking place in Lebanon, and called for a cease-fire.
  120. Resolution 509: " ... 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
  121. Resolution 511, extended the mandate of UNIFIL.
  122. Resolution 515: " ... 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in".
  123. Resolution 516, demanded an immediate cessation of military activities in Lebanon, noting violations of the cease-fire in Beirut.
  124. Resolution 517: " ... 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
  125. Resolution 518: " ... 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
  126. Resolution 519, extended the mandate of UNIFIL, and authorized it to carry out humanitarian tasks.
  127. Resolution 520: " ... 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
  128. Resolution 523
  129. Resolution 524
  130. Resolution 529
  131. Resolution 531
  132. Resolution 536
  133. Resolution 538
  134. Resolution 543
  135. Resolution 549
  136. Resolution 551
  137. Resolution 555
  138. Resolution 557
  139. Resolution 561
  140. Resolution 563
  141. Resolution 573: " ... 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
  142. Resolution 575
  143. Resolution 576
  144. Resolution 583
  145. Resolution 584
  146. Resolution 586
  147. Resolution 587 " ... 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
  148. Resolution 590
  149. Resolution 592: " ... 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Birzeit University by Israeli troops".
  150. Resolution 594
  151. Resolution 596
  152. Resolution 599
  153. Resolution 603
  154. Resolution 605: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
  155. Resolution 607: " ... 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
  156. Resolution 608: " ... 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
  157. Resolution 609
  158. Resolution 611: "... condemned Israel's assassination of Khalil al-Wazir as a 'flagrant violation of the Charter'
  159. Resolution 613
  160. Resolution 617
  161. Resolution 624
  162. Resolution 630
  163. Resolution 633
  164. Resolution 636: " ... 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
  165. Resolution 639 (31 Jul 1989)
  166. Resolution 641 (30 Aug 1989): " ... 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
  167. Resolution 645 (29 Nov 1989)
  168. Resolution 648 (31 Jan 1990)[1] The Security Council extends the mandate of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon until July 31, 1990.
  169. Resolution 655 (31 May 1990)
  170. Resolution 659 (31 Jul 1990)
  171. Resolution 672 (12 Oct 1990): " ... 'condemns' Israel for "violence against Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
  172. Resolution 673 (24 Oct 1990): " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
  173. Resolution 679 (30 Nov 1990)
  174. Resolution 681 (20 Dec 1990): " ... 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
  175. Resolution 684 (30 Jan 1991)
  176. Resolution 694 (24 May 1991): " ... 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
  177. Resolution 695 (30 May 1991)
  178. Resolution 701 (31 Jul 1991)
  179. Resolution 722 (29 Nov 1991)
  180. Resolution 726 (06 Jan 1992): " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
  181. Resolution 734 (29 Jan 1992)
  182. Resolution 756 (29 May 1992)
  183. Resolution 768 (30 Jul 1992)
  184. Resolution 790 (25 Nov 1992)
  185. Resolution 799 (18 Dec 1992): ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
  186. Resolution 803 (28 Jan 1993)
  187. Resolution 830 (26 May 1993)
  188. Resolution 852 (28 Jul 1993)
  189. Resolution 887 (29 Nov 1993)
  190. Resolution 895 (28 Jan 1994)
  191. Resolution 904 (18 Mar 1994): Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.
  192. Resolution 938 (28 Jul 1994): extends mandate of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon until January 31, 1995.
  193. Resolution 1039 (29 Jan 1996)
  194. Resolution 1052 (18 Apr 1996)
  195. Resolution 1057 (30 May 1996)
  196. Resolution 1068 (30 Jul 1996)
  197. Resolution 1073 (28 Sep 1996)
  198. Resolution 1081 (27 Nov 1996)
  199. Resolution 1095 (28 Jan 1997)
  200. Resolution 1109 (28 May 1997)
  201. Resolution 1122 (29 Jul 1997)
  202. Resolution 1139 (21 Nov 1997)
  203. Resolution 1151 (30 Jan 1998)
  204. Resolution 1169 (27 May 1998)
  205. Resolution 1188 (30 Jul 1998)
  206. Resolution 1211 (25 Nov 1998)
  207. Resolution 1223 (28 Jan 1999)
  208. Resolution 1243 (27 May 1999)
  209. Resolution 1254 (30 Jul 1999)
  210. Resolution 1276 (24 Nov 1999)
  211. Resolution 1288 (31 Jan 2000)
  212. Resolution 1300 (31 May 2000)
  213. Resolution 1310 (27 Jul 2000)
  214. Resolution 1322 (07 Oct 2000) deplored Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount and the violence that followed
  215. Resolution 1328 (27 Nov 2000)
  216. Resolution 1337 (30 Jan 2001)
  217. Resolution 1351 (30 May 2001)
  218. Resolution 1397 (12 Mar 2002) the first resolution to explicitly call for a two-state solution.
  219. Resolution 1435 (24 Sep 2002) demanded an end to Israeli measures in and around Ramallah, and an Israeli withdrawal to positions held before September 2000.
  220. Resolution 1559 (2 September 2004) called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.
  221. Resolution 1583 (28 January 2005) calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that "the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israel's withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.
  222. Resolution 1648 (21 December 2005)
  223. Resolution 1701 (11 August 2006) called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.
  224. Resolution 1860 (9 January 2009) called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.

I agree with what Al said about this issue will never end.

 

It is also something I am stearing clear of on here as it is tit for tat and the only I got involved was because of the attitude of the poster I first responded to.

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Anybody who is interested in Palstine/Israel might enjoy this documentary made by a Israli film director

Yoav Shamir.

 

Over three million Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, which has been under Israeli military authority since 1967. Israeli director Yoav Shamir documents the impact of the enforced boundaries known as “checkpoints” on the Israeli border guards drafted to monitor them and the Palestinian citizens who must pass through them daily.

Shot in a cinema verite style, a style of documentary filmmaking that stresses unbiased realism, the film shows these anonymous, one-time encounters between both sides and the lasting political, social and cultural effects. Checkpoint gives a chilling look at the destructive impact on both societies.

This movie is riveting. I can only call the treatment of the Palestinians trying to get through the checkpoint humiliating (and shocking). The woman are harassed and the men are abused. The border guards fair no better in system that places these young men in situations beyond their training or capacity for judgement.

 

 

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What was that about wiping Isreal off the map?

 

Whinging Palestinians. Like they're the first fucking people In history to be booted out of where they live By more powerful and rich people

 

GYAC you fucking whinging twats, it's been going on siince man had opposable thumbs

 

I think Iran has a lot to answer for.

 

Total cunts. Everyone knows they fund and arm Hamas, but they're oddly bright for a bunch of medieval religious loons. They don't give them much money - and also supply the shittest arms ever - and then tell poor, stupid Hamas to go and give those bastard evil Jews hell, knowing full well Hamas's murderous intent will be ameliorated by the rubbish rockets they have given them when compared to the state of the art cool shit the West sell to the ever-grateful and servile Israel.

 

And hand-wringing cunts all over the world fall for it. Well, the stupid ones anyway.

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Yoav Shamir is the rarest sort of Israeli. One who doesn't turn, Jekyll and Hyde like, from a veneer of rational thought and objectivity to the default thinking evidenced on here when the buttons are pressed.

 

Given that you are not there, and I am not there, I'd leave this to people who are there. Like ODZ, who makes sense. People are people on both sides, and eventually it really does come down to "Imagine". Then again, the dude who wrote it, he got kind of killed...

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What an odd stance, Delmar. If there's a genocide going on you shouldn't make a fuss about it, just leave it to the people who are there? I'd imagine the people who are there are desperate for people who aren't there to get angry about it and help them.

 

Yeah, odd stance. However, I have been in similar situations before, in real life, not just posting on the net. Genocide was going on in Somalia, then in Rwanda, it was not much fun working with that shit. Many of us, outsiders, being there, on the ground, figured out our minds then. And I still agree with myself.

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Given that you are not there, and I am not there, I'd leave this to people who are there. Like ODZ, who makes sense. People are people on both sides, and eventually it really does come down to "Imagine". Then again, the dude who wrote it, he got kind of killed...

 

People like ODZ will have as much influence over when this is resolved as you or I. If you're so keen at leaving it to them, then perhaps I can suggest you step out of the thread. I told you when I retaliated to your neg suggesting that I stop commenting on it that this will not be resolved by Israel, or at least not to a timetable or an endgame of their own design.

 

Israel and Palestine is not Rwanda. Completely irrelevant.

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