Racism

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

He's a fucking first class prick, I've fought racism all my life and not going to have some silly little cunt throw labels on me without a retort. 

 

As for him being right wing I take it you were willing to turn a blind eye to his defence of billionaire factory bosses who subjected workers at two sisters poultry factorys to low pay and atrocious working conditions? 

Show me where he’s done that? 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, CapeRed said:

like we have said before this place is all about opinions.

It’s a racist term. It’s not an ‘opinion’ matter 

[CapeRed]

22 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It’s a racist term. It’s not an ‘opinion’ matter 

I was talking about the fact that I thought his post was arrogant, you didnt. That's an opinion matter

[Bjornebye]

Just now, CapeRed said:

I was talking about the fact that I thought his post was arrogant, you didnt. That's an opinion matter

Oh. My mistake sorry 

[CapeRed]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh. My mistake sorry 

No worries

[easytoslip]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

I think when the national front started using the term “p**I bashing” when they used to go and kick the fuck out of anyone non white British is probably when it became offensive. 

Oh yeah them cunts, that's a good answer. 

[easytoslip]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's inherently racist. Like the N-bomb, it's a word coined by racists, for racists. This "it's short for Pakistan, so it's not really racist" bullshit belongs in the bin with "well, the rappers use that word all the time".

 

[Strontium]

I've heard the p-word used in banter between friends who employed ethnic slurs against each other for humorous effect. Surely whether a word is offensive or not depends entirely upon context. When the missus calls me a shylock, I know it's just a private joke between two people who have chosen to spend their lives together; if a stranger in the street said it to me, I'd probably not take it as well. If you're singing along to a Kanye West track = not racist. If you go into an African food store and start throwing the n-word around at the staff = racist. The idea that some words are always taboo is a toxic one.

[Gnasher]

5 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Show me where he’s done that? 

It's on the EU thread I'm not going to clog this one up that nonsense. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The idea that some words are always taboo is a toxic one.

There's no sense in which you can use an N or a P (or a Y) and not be aware that it's racist as fuck. That's not the same as saying that words should be banned - contexts in which people use those words in jokes or with an idea of "reclaiming" it are still underpinned by the knowledge that those words are racist as fuck, every time.

[Bjornebye]

Children In Need

 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There's no sense in which you can use an N or a P (or a Y) and not be aware that it's racist as fuck. That's not the same as saying that words should be banned - contexts in which people use those words in jokes or with an idea of "reclaiming" it are still underpinned by the knowledge that those words are racist as fuck, every time.

 

I don't see how that can be the case, since they're not even consistently racist in different countries. The P-word is racist here, but not in the USA. The word "Oriental" is racist in the USA, but not here. Some words acquire racist connotations over time, some lose them.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I don't see how that can be the case, since they're not even consistently racist in different countries. The P-word is racist here, but not in the USA. The word "Oriental" is racist in the USA, but not here. Some words acquire racist connotations over time, some lose them.

Is the P word really not racist in the USA (i.e. people use the word and nobody is offended) or is it just not used?

 

The word Oriental (when used to describe a person) is racist in the UK.

 

Some words have changed their significance in different times and places (for example, Martin Luther King used the word Negro with a frequency that would raise eyebrows today) but other words - including the aforementioned P, N & Y - have never been anything but racist.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Is the P word really not racist in the USA (i.e. people use the word and nobody is offended) or is it just not used?

 

The word Oriental (when used to describe a person) is racist in the UK.

 

Some words have changed their significance in different times and places (for example, Martin Luther King used the word Negro with a frequency that would raise eyebrows today) but other words - including the aforementioned P, N & Y - have never been anything but racist.

I never knew that 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I never knew that 

 

Angry appears to be making things up.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Oriental

 

Use of the term Oriental to describe a person is considered dated and potentially offensive in North America.

 

Last I checked, this wasn't North America, despite a similar exponential increase in perpetually offended mewling quims.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Angry appears to be making things up.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Oriental

 

 

 

 

Last I checked, this wasn't North America, despite a similar exponential increase in perpetually offended mewling quims.

Lovely stuff.

Next time you're out in Chinatown, be sure to refer to the waiters as Orientals - and then call them mewling quims if they kick fuck out of you.

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Lovely stuff.

Next time you're out in Chinatown, be sure to refer to the waiters as Orientals - and then call them mewling quims if they kick fuck out of you.

 

Disprove your bullshit with facts, did I? Poor baby.

 

I wouldn't go around calling Chinese waiters "Oriental" any more than I'd go around calling a French sommelier "Frenchman", or calling my dad "Jew". I find using people's names is generally more productive. Nevertheless, none of those terms are inherently racist. In this country.

[VladimirIlyich]

I'd say Oriental is probably similar to the word Negro in that its an outdated and arrogant sounding way of addressing a person of that culture. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

28 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I'd say Oriental is probably similar to the word Negro in that its an outdated and arrogant sounding way of addressing a person of that culture. 

Yeah, but that's cool in Strontsworld.

[Strontium]

Would it really be "cool"? Pretty sure I didn't say that anywhere.

[TheHowieLama]

3 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

 the word Negro 

Spanish word - let them figure it out.

[Carvalho Diablo]

4 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

I never knew that 

Nor did I.

 

[Bjornebye]

5 hours ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

Nor did I.

 

The Oriental Garden Chinese in Anfield better change its name pronto 

[Bruce Spanner]

I think the problem with the word 'Oriental(s)' is that the only people who tend to use it call Kenya 'Keenya' and harbour secret regrets that Britains lofty colonial ambitions have been put on hold.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I think the problem with the word 'Oriental(s)' is that the only people who tend to use it call Kenya 'Keenya' and harbour secret regrets that Britains lofty colonial ambitions have been put on hold.

But when those people describe people as "Orientals" they're not being racist; Stronts said so (while apparently belting one out over how massively clever he is).