university fees vote

[Antynwa]

On what basis are you entitled to a free higher education? That ended many years ago and its not coming back. Did you pay a hell of a lot of taxes before that period so you are owed a free education? You might have a right to gripe in that case but it doesn't make any difference to whether you should pay for your higher education.

 

No offense mate but you are entitled to nothing.

 

I don't agree with the rise but all this 'I'M ENTITLED TO A FREE HIGHER EDUCATION, MY PARENTS DIDN'T PAY SO I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO!'.. no you ain't

 

You are not entitled to free higher education anymore. You have to pay for it. Argue all you like about HOW MUCH you should pay for it, but you do have to pay for it. Deal with it.

 

I'm entitled to a free fucking education because I got 13 Fucking A-C Grades at GCSE and 3 A's at fucking A Level and I want to become a teacher. I should not have to suffer a financial burden, pass or fail. This is a kick in the balls to the working class, this is a kick in the balls to society. The whole purpose of Uni is to get people into higher paid jobs, where they will pay more tax. They will contribute more to society, teachers and doctors, and they will pay more tax.

 

The simple fact of the matter is and don't believe a fucking word of what that government said. This has priced out a generation of talented young people out of University, £50 fucking grand worth of debt.

 

How the fuck can anyone justify that?

 

On top of finding a job in a jobless economy, people can barely support their own studies as it is?

 

It's a fucking disgrace, I'm fuming. This is about ideology.

[melons]

The woprd education is a bit of a misnomer. Education doesn't cost anything - qualifications and academia do.

 

Why should it be a free entitlement. What do those people not intelligent enough to benefit get from university get out of this deal?

 

Oh i don't know, let me think... Medics? Teachers?

[Antynwa]

ONLY THE RICH WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO UNIVERSITY WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF DEBT.

[bossy]

Ok, lets say SD is right and the poorest 30% get help, why do they if you don't pay it back until you're in a job?

What about the solidly middle class who nevertheless find it difficult to spend an extra 9 grand a year? Or don't they pay it back till they get a job? And... what if they getter a shitter job than the poorest 30%, do they then become the poorest 30% or how about a rich student who's parents hate them? Or what if a student claims they aren't getting value for money, ie crap lecturers, poor support, shit library facilities etc, can they get it back? I haven't read the bill as I'm against charging on principle so please enlighten me SD.

And, blah blah, it's a nonsense idealogical bill that will have repercussions on people's credit ratings and which university and what course they can afford to go to due to having to take out other loans to live and chase shitty part time jobs.

It's an anti education bill.

Oh and the latest LD argument is 'we didn't win the election so therefore we haven't broken a promise'. It's all over the place.

[Antynwa]

FUCK OFF NICK CLEGG YOU MASSIVE FUCKING CUNT

[Faustus]

Shame on the Lib Dems.

[Spy Bee]

Oh i don't know, let me think... Medics? Teachers?

 

Teachers is a bit of an anomoly, but generally people with careers based on having a degree do very nicely indeed.

[Stu Monty]

Going to university should be in pursuit of academic excellence. If that's what people aspire to, then they should be willing to pay the price. Why should bus drivers and binmen pay for someone to go to University to learn fucking media studies or drama counselling?

 

It is progressive in that those who earn the higher salaries will pay back the most.

 

Good policy.

 

We already have a progressive tax, it's called income tax. Your binman won't be paying 40% tax for the next 50 years of his life to cover the cost to society of educating him; that's before you factor in the benefit to society of having a more educated base. And I know media studies was just an example but it's a bad one. If media studies was placed at the core of the school curriculum then maybe more people would be able to see through the supine shit they are fed by the corporate press.

 

Out of interest, what do you think Labour would have done differently? Bearing in mind they brought tuition fees in in the first place and commissioned the report on which the new system is based.

 

I'll pass your regards on to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

 

That'll be the IFS that backtracked from calling it progressive once they realised the figures weren't based on what they thought they were. For £21,000 read £16,000. The IFS has been panning the goverment all year and it's shameful that you now decide to give them merit.

 

A manifesto says what a party will do if it wins an election. We didn't win the election. We were third. It is only through the damn good fortune of a hung parliament that we have been able to implement ANY of our manifesto. I'm sorry that we couldn't implement more of it, and that tuition fees was something which we couldn't implement, but less than a quarter of people actually voted for us.

 

So I ask you again, what is the point in anyone reading your manifesto? You put tuition fees at the core of your electioneering and now ditched it, why would anyone take anything in your next manifesto seriously?

 

That is complete nonsense and completely ignorant. It beggars belief that someone can say that when they know full well that the new system is set up to ensure it is cheaper for the poorest 30% to attend university. If you're going to criticise it, criticise it on legitimate grounds.

 

Wrong. It claims to be cheaper for the 30% of poorest graduates a completely different thing altoghether.

[Malarkey]

Shit just got serious. Like Grieco in 21 Jump Street.

 

[Redder Lurtz]

ONLY THE RICH WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO UNIVERSITY WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF DEBT.

 

And that changed today did it?

 

No. No it didn't.

[odris]

Back in my day...

[Narsil]

The woprd education is a bit of a misnomer. Education doesn't cost anything - qualifications and academia do.

 

Why should it be a free entitlement. What do those people not intelligent enough to benefit get from university get out of this deal?

 

It's not about individuals, it's about society. I'm an unreserved socialist and I make no apologies for that. Under the last shower of Tory cunts the traditional working class industries were decimated. The idea being that as a country we couldn't compete in these areas with other economies, so we would move to an economy based on high-end services (financial, engineering, scientific research and support etc) that the developing economies would look to us for. IE, foreign investment. That only works if you have a flexible, highly educated and highly available workforce. Making education more expensive = less educated workforce = less attractive to foreign investors = less money in the economy = a bad thing. It will eventually filter down to the non-graduates who will face even more competition for the jobs they want. No-one in this country will win from this in the long term. Apart from the rich manipulative twats who would prefer an army of drones to fight each other for their shitty minimum wage skivvy jobs.

 

Just my opinion like.

[dennis tooth]

I hear you. I just don't know else he could have done. The Tories were always going to get their way in the majority of the decisions. If he votes against it, and the party line is to vote against it... then they'll be out of Downing street in a flash because the coalition is show to not work.

 

I don't agree with it, but I can understand it.

 

Nar it aint like that. It would show the coalition to work well actually. None of them have a mandate from the people.

[WaltonRed]

This is the start.

 

There'll be fires the lot tonight, and I dont mean the shitty ones in the road

[Redder Lurtz]

This is the start.

 

There'll be fires the lot tonight, and I dont mean the shitty ones in the road

 

I know we're thread crossing here WR but anyway, if there are fires then I'd be all for treating them like terrorists and shooting the little bastards. Putting other peoples' personal safety and lives at risk over having to pay an increased studie loan is not on.

[WaltonRed]

If you tolerate this then your children will be next

[Narsil]

This is the start.

 

There'll be fires the lot tonight, and I dont mean the shitty ones in the road

 

Amazing, isn't it? It took Thatcher 5 years to drive the miners to this, and another 5 before she'd pissed off enough of the general public to precipitate the poll tax riots and ultimately her own downfall. These smarmy cunts have managed it in 7 months.

[melons]

Teachers is a bit of an anomoly, but generally people with careers based on having a degree do very nicely indeed.

 

They don't though, the average graduate income is around the 20k mark. Only 10% of graduates start off earning over 35k. I dare say they're the not what you know but who you know graduates.

 

It's not about individuals, it's about society. I'm an unreserved socialist and I make no apologies for that. Under the last shower of Tory cunts the traditional working class industries were decimated. The idea being that as a country we couldn't compete in these areas with other economies, so we would move to an economy based on high-end services (financial, engineering, scientific research and support etc) that the developing economies would look to us for. IE, foreign investment. That only works if you have a flexible, highly educated and highly available workforce. Making education more expensive = less educated workforce = less attractive to foreign investors = less money in the economy = a bad thing. It will eventually filter down to the non-graduates who will face even more competition for the jobs they want. No-one in this country will win from this in the long term. Apart from the rich manipulative twats who would prefer an army of drones to fight each other for their shitty minimum wage skivvy jobs.

 

Just my opinion like.

 

I like you. Repped.

 

 

If you tolerate this then your children will be next

 

Is the right idea, my kids dad did some slagging off after the last protest, my eldest has sat there watching this realising that if she doesn't move to Scotland or at the very least stay in Wales, she's not going to uni in 2 years time.

[Spy Bee]

They don't though, the average graduate income is around the 20k mark. Only 10% of graduates start off earning over 35k. I dare say they're the not what you know but who you know graduates.

That's because there are too many people qualifying with poxy degrees.

[Strontium]

It's been passed.

 

 

Thank god for that. Now we can get on with real issues, like climate change, the economy and peace in the Middle East.

[dennis tooth]

Thank god for that. Now we can get on with real issues, like climate change, the economy and peace in the Middle East.

 

You never stood for noffin like that in your life, REDFIRE make it burn.

[Anny Road]

Earn 21k a year pay back 7 quid a month. I am still paying 75 quid a month from graduating many years ago. My declared income is less than that.

[Antynwa]

Police: "Protesters have failed to stick to the agreed route." To be fair, neither did the Lib Dems

[WaltonRed]

They should of flipped Charlie's car over

[Guest davelfc]

I feel sorry for the poor bastard that spent all day polishing that