Russia v Ukraine

[Jennings]

2 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/07/putin-hollywood-pals-leonardo-dicaprio-steven-seagal-depardieu-rourke-stars-snuggled-up-russian-dictator

Sing along or he will kill you with kryponitollonium!

"The жiиd in the жillows..."

[Captain Turdseye]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Bollocks. Putin is the big dog, he's got everyone dancing to his tune in the Kremlin, Moscow and the wider web he's woven, if they don't do what he wants he has them killed. He's tried to export that attitude to another country and has had his arse handed to him. 

 

The man bemoans how badly treated Russia has been by the west, yet has been personally enriched by the fall of Communism. If the USSR was still around he'd still be a mid-level bureaucrat driving a lada and queuing in line for turnips. 

 

The brass neck of someone to bemoan how another society has treated his when the guy was actually stationed in East Germany, you know, a conquered country, and has flattened Chechnya, Georgia and now Ukrain.

 

This is nobody's fault but his. He wasn't cornered, quite the contrary, he put the US President and arguably the British Prime Minister in office, he was actually winning - he's fucked it up for the same reason all despots eventually do - he wanted more. 

 

 

I’ll post it again. In Navalny’s documentary, he points out just chow much Putin and his cronies have siphoned off. 
 

 

He reckons Putin is way richer than the likes of Bezos and Gates. He shows one of the huge palaces he’s built on the coast of the Black Sea with a pure Dr Evil style lair built into the cliff side. 
 

There is zero chance of anyone else becoming President while Putin is still breathing. He has too much to lose. The quickest way to end this is getting someone to somehow bump him off. 

[Section_31]

I reckon Putin is already dead and it's some kind of weekend at Bernie's style situation. 

[SasaS]

Maybe if Ukraine can survive for about a week without a major defeat or a Russian breakthrough, the tide will start to turn slowly in their favour? I don't think this war was sold to the Russian people as a Iraq-Iran type of war of attrition with high casualties, there is no deep-rooted inter-ethnic hatred between them that could fuel the war beyond rationales.

Putin may be an autocrat but he still needs to win elections, even rigged polls must be won to a certain level.The fact he is promising that no conscripts would go to war would indicate he is afraid of wider protests from parents, this is much more dangerous for him than the "metropolitan liberal elite" now protesting, they may be brave, but these are people who were probably already against Putin. It also indicates to me this is still a war somewhere between national and military pride for most Russians, rather than something they are prepared to endure hardships for.

So I guess, if there is no military success, the climb down might speed up, and time will be on Kiev's side, with every week offering a better deal.

[Section_31]

The plan at the minute seems to be for the Russian military to sit back and level everything, because that's all they're really capable of. 

 

The downside from Putin's point of view is that anyone he comes for in the future will stand up to him because they clearly have nothing to lose. 

[SasaS]

7 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The plan at the minute seems to be for the Russian military to sit back and level everything, because that's all they're really capable of. 

 

The downside from Putin's point of view is that anyone he comes for in the future will stand up to him because they clearly have nothing to lose. 

I takes a long time to do that. And Ukrainian army is not going to sit idly by.

[Red Shift]

5 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Regardless of what chicanery NATO may have been up to, I'm pretty sure it's never involved murdering a Russian citizen on Russian territory in a way that was so reckless it could have led to hundreds if not thousands of wider deaths, and then laughing about it on TV. 

 

Also, let's not forget the USSR 'lost'. To the victor goes the spoils and all that, and to be fair the spoils basically involved letting Romanians get jobs in Western countries and reassuring the Poles that they wouldn't get invaded for like the 50th time in a hundred years. 

 

Imagine the West had collapsed and not the Soviets and the only 'price' we paid for it was Belgium joining the Warsaw Pact. Who'd give a flying fuck. Does the Russian in the street give a shit? Or is it just a former KGB officer and gangster? 

 

Not as long as that Russian’s standard of living isn’t jeopardised. That wasn’t the case though. Russia became a much bigger shithole.

[Section_31]

Amazing.

 

 

Christo Grozev, executive director of investigative journalism group Bellingcat, said on Twitter that news of Gerasimov's death was intercepted by Ukrainian officials as it was relayed to Russian army officials.

 

Sharing a picture of the conversation in Russian, Grozev wrote that the 41st army in the region have lost communications, and are thus having to use a local sim card - which allowed Ukraine to intercept the call. 

 

According to reports, Gerasimov was either the son or the nephew of Valery Gerasimov - the Chief of General Staff of Russia's armed forces.

[SasaS]

What, not even a radio hidden under an old lady's bed with the speaker in the chamber pot?

[Red Shift]

Those Ukrainian paramilitary groups, may have more power than is generally believed by the West. From 2019 while war was escalating.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/im-not-a-loser-zelensky-clashes-with-veterans-over-donbas-disengagement.html?__cf_chl_tk=SbolmTBS6QnjMnPJLiQEsivGNnuW6T4od28tzMOrEM0-1646110945-0-gaNycGzNCJE

 

 

[SasaS]

U.S. Planning to Ban Russian Oil Imports

 

The Biden administration is planning to ban Russian oil imports into the U.S. and an announcement on the issue is imminent, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

(WSJ)

[Gnasher]

Another reason why some are in no hurry for peace;

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2022/03/04/war-stocks-are-surging-as-russia-ukraine-conflict-rages-on-lockheed-martin-northrop-up-20/?sh=18a900843f00

[Red Shift]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Another reason why some are in no hurry for peace;

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2022/03/04/war-stocks-are-surging-as-russia-ukraine-conflict-rages-on-lockheed-martin-northrop-up-20/?sh=18a900843f00

 

[Red Shift]

Hehehee

 

 

[Red Shift]

The full English text of the Minsk Agreement. An interesting read.

 

https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html

[Red Shift]

In 2014, the US LaRouche Political Action Committee broke this story on an Obama sanctioned neo Nazi Coup of Ukraine.

 

https://larouchepub.com/other/2022/4907-western_powers_back_neo_nazi_c.html

 

We are republishing here, with their original headlines, a package of intelligence reports and analysis EIR published eight full years ago—even before the “Maidan Coup” in Ukraine in late February 2014. With this report then, we warned our readers of a terrible and dangerous U.S. and British policy, and of the world war threatening now in the Ukraine crisis. We republish it because the United States must reverse the mistake, and negotiate a new strategic architecture with Russia to prevent a catastrophe.

[SasaS]

LaRouche? Really? 

 

It's time for the Alternative 'Raina Thread.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I thought Bulletproof was quite catchy 

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Maybe if Ukraine can survive for about a week without a major defeat or a Russian breakthrough, the tide will start to turn slowly in their favour? I don't think this war was sold to the Russian people as a Iraq-Iran type of war of attrition with high casualties, there is no deep-rooted inter-ethnic hatred between them that could fuel the war beyond rationales.

 

 

 

Reading that the weather is on the turn in Ukraine and the likes of Kharkiv will reach -13 over the next day or so

[M_B]

6 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

In 2014, the US LaRouche Political Action Committee broke this story on an Obama sanctioned neo Nazi Coup of Ukraine.

 

https://larouchepub.com/other/2022/4907-western_powers_back_neo_nazi_c.html

Somebody needs to tell them that the road to power involves gathering support from voters before they can burn down the Parliament. In the 2019 elections, the far right joined together yet managed to get just 2.15% of the popular vote and no seats in Parliament.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Reading that the weather is on the turn in Ukraine and the likes of Kharkiv will reach -13 over the next day or so

The ultimate example of Karma?

[Pureblood]

11 minutes ago, SasaS said:

LaRouche? Really? 

 

It's time for the Alternative 'Raina Thread.

Tom from Facebook? Really?

[M_B]

42 minutes ago, SasaS said:

U.S. Planning to Ban Russian Oil Imports

 

The Biden administration is planning to ban Russian oil imports into the U.S. and an announcement on the issue is imminent, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

(WSJ)

Ouch. The Russian economy is nothing without Oil & Gas. That will hurt.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, M_B said:

Ouch. The Russian economy is nothing without Oil & Gas. That will hurt.

It will and my guess is the ordinary Russian on the street who wants no part in this war will be first to feel the pain.

[SasaS]

5 minutes ago, M_B said:

Ouch. The Russian economy is nothing without Oil & Gas. That will hurt.

Unfortunately, that is just the US. I think gas is the thing for Russia, and this is where most of Europe gets nervous.