Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Denny Crane]

So what this about the Lib Dems.

 

 

Clive Lewis MP

18h18 hours ago

Clive Lewis MP ‏@labourlewis

Hold on.. calm down...not so fast...you've got 9 MPs but only 5 as I understand it are voting against A50... pray tell the other 4? https://twitter.com/libdems/status/826568883733725184 …

[Strontium]

What does that have to do with Corbyn?

[Naz17]

I also wish Lib Dems had a better leader. Politics at the moment is like choosing between stabbed or shot.

[Denny Crane]

What does that have to do with Corbyn?

I know a few Labour supporters on here have been hammering Corbyn; for his decision to vote and trigger article 50.

 

Just highlights how tricky it is when you have a part of nine who are divided and whose leader has taken the opposite approach.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

What does that have to do with Corbyn?

And what does Corbyn have to do with the Theresa May thread?

 

Ain't life full of mysteries.

[Strontium]

I don't know, what does Corbyn have to do with the Theresa May thread?

 

 

The punchline had better be worth it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Nothing, really - I'm just trip-trapping across your bridge.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Some of the papers are trying to make a big deal about a minor slip of the tongue at the end of a speech he made, pretending that he really meant it.

 

Here's the speech; make your own mind up.

 

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/02/02/labour-obviously-jeremy-corbyn-does-not-believe-being-gay-is-a-choice/

[Yozzer]

Fairly obivous that it was just him stumbling over his phrasing. However, it does seem to reinforce the idea that he's a poor orator; not a trait you want in the leader of the opposition.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

None of our leading politicians in years have been good orators.  They've been increasingly schooled in bland soundbites, oozing with soporific insincerity.  If the price of an alternative to that is an occasional insignificant slip of the tongue, that's a price worth paying.

[xerxes]

None of our leading politicians in years have been good orators.  They've been increasingly schooled in bland soundbites, oozing with soporific insincerity.  If the price of an alternative to that is an occasional insignificant slip of the tongue, that's a price worth paying.

 

Farage and BJ won the Brexit vote on soundbite oratory, the remainers had nothing to match.

 

Corbyn's slip is an irrelevance, but suggesting that he is a compelling alternative in delivering the Labour message just does not stack.

This vote was always going to be won by the Government.

 

There is no point in imposing a three line whip which three of your own whips,  a chunk of your shadow cabinet, and many of your backbenchers are not going to honour.

 

A good leader chooses their battles wisely, ones they can win.

 

He could have stated Labour policy, but given a free vote, winning the thanks of his MP's, and rallying support for later battles, with no impact on the result. Instead the result is the same, but he has needlessly alienated again the 80% of the PLP who think he is hopeless.

 

if you cannot win over your own whips, shadow cabinet and backbenchers, you stand no chance in the country.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It was no-win situation.  If he'd given a free vote, he would have been pilloried for holding "the will of the people" in contempt.

[Neil G]

It was no-win situation.  If he'd given a free vote, he would have been pilloried for holding "the will of the people" in contempt.

That's the whole point though, isn't it? Given that he was going to get hammered whatever he did, surely it would have made sense to at least pick the option which minimised friction in the PLP and kept his front bench intact. He's set to lose Clive Lewis from the shadow cabinet next week when the bill inevitably goes through without Labour's amendments being adopted.

[clangers]

Has Diane Abbott recovered from her illness which prevented her from voting? It's great news that she was able to go to the pub later the same evening and was able to commence tweeting an hour after being taken ill.

 

The fact that Corbyn promotes individuals such as this is precisely why he's doomed to failure. One rule for his mates (or former girlfriends) etc.

[xerxes]

It was no-win situation.  If he'd given a free vote, he would have been pilloried for holding "the will of the people" in contempt.

 

I disagree.

 

He loves the "principled man " soubriquet.

 

So you state Labour policy ( to vote for), but acknowledge the difficulties that individual MP's may have personally, and with their own constituency, a cross-party problem anyway. His issue is with his party, not with the country. That's a win. Ordering everyone to vote one way when even the people doing he ordering are going to disobey is a lose.

[VladimirIlyich]

Has Diane Abbott recovered from her illness which prevented her from voting? It's great news that she was able to go to the pub later the same evening and was able to commence tweeting an hour after being taken ill.

 

The fact that Corbyn promotes individuals such as this is precisely why he's doomed to failure. One rule for his mates (or former girlfriends) etc.

I have to admit that this is a massive flaw in that his 'allies' are pretty awful MPs. Pretty much shows how bad the state of the Labour Party at present that these are the only people he can trust.

[Strontium]

I have to admit that this is a massive flaw in that his 'allies' are pretty awful MPs.

Probably a very good reason for that.

[VladimirIlyich]

Probably a very good reason for that.

Because he is an actual Socialist and most of the modern Labour Party aren't?

[magicrat]

Lot of noise about Corbyn stepping down again

 

Long-Bailey being touted . Odds have gone from 66 to 14/1 in a day,

 

[VladimirIlyich]

Lot of noise about Corbyn stepping down again

 

Long-Bailey being touted . Odds have gone from 66 to 14/1 in a day,

 

I'd giver her my Long Bailey any day,etc,etc.

[magicrat]

I'd giver her my Long Bailey any day,etc,etc.

[VladimirIlyich]

 

I'd giver her my Long Bailey any day,etc,etc.

Has that drink got a belly button?

[House of Dirk]

Taking the Tory cunts to task (in PMQ's). over NHS/Social Service cuts in Liverpool and a deal for Surrey. Jeremy is too humane for parliament.

[magicrat]

So we are going to let the Brexit bill go through and insist on amendments

Oh wait a minute its a three line whip to vote it through anyway

 

Just what is he playing at.  The will of the people is fucking bollocks, Its utterly ridiculous to pretend the referendum was other than advisory and that the British people for the most part had any idea of what leaving the EU entailed

 

To give the Tories a free ride on an issue that pretty much half the population and the majority of his voters opposed is beyond negligent

 

The last straw for me and he should go 

[cloggypop]

May keeps tripping over her words today. She's shite.