14m price tag on Lucas

[njackets]

Im willing to bet at some point during Lucas's career he will be sold/worth far more than 14mill!

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Im willing to bet at some point during Lucas's career he will be sold/worth far more than 14mill!

 

More to do with football being perverse than his true worth though. Fuck me, in 5 years you'll have to pay 30 million to buy a half decent player, so the likelihood is your bet would be safe.

[njackets]

More to do with football being perverse than his true worth though. Fuck me, in 5 years you'll have to pay 30 million to buy a half decent player, so the likelihood is your bet would be safe.

I can just see him being a top player 1 day, with its with us or not who knows.

[Mathewbet1]

Nah he'll be in the Turkish leauge in a couple of seasons or back to brazil.

[The Dude Abides]

Utterly laughable the stick the lad is coming into, at this moment in time, when for the past few games, there's been at least 8 players worse than him in every game.

[Paul]

I thought he was quietly impressive last night. Certainly, it was the best performance I've ever seen from him (although that may be damning him with faint praise). He wanted the ball all the time and he generally used it well. It helped that he wasn't too closely marked and that we were playing a side without a comparable level of quality, but he still did well, in my view. Could he be becoming our Darren Fletcher? It's a bit early for that yet, but he's definitely improving.

[Spy Bee]

I think people who can't see the value of Lucas now are either blind or just too stubborn to see it. He's no Steven Gerrard but then neither are 99.99% of players in the world! He's a good solid player and I really think we don't miss Mascherano when Lucas plays in that position.

[Ted]

I think people who can't see the value of Lucas now are either blind or just too stubborn to see it. He's no Steven Gerrard but then neither are 99.99% of players in the world! He's a good solid player and I really think we don't miss Mascherano when Lucas plays in that position.

 

Yeah, we don't miss probably the best exponent of the defensive midfield role in the world because we've got Lucas.

[Ted]

Jeez, how can I compete with debating skills like that?

[Spy Bee]

Jeez, how can I compete with debating skills like that?

You're on ignore, put me on ignore and the world will be a better place.

[cmuller]

I think people who can't see the value of Lucas now are either blind or just too stubborn to see it. He's no Steven Gerrard but then neither are 99.99% of players in the world! He's a good solid player and I really think we don't miss Mascherano when Lucas plays in that position.

 

If you added "in the majority of games we'll play in this year." to the last line then I'd agree.

[Ted]

You're on ignore, put me on ignore and the world will be a better place.

 

No.

[johnnyboy]

I think Lucas has easily been our most consistent outfield player this season and more and more supporters (and commentators) are beginning to realise it

[DT]

I think Lucas has easily been our most consistent outfield player this season and more and more supporters (and commentators) are beginning to realise it

 

And with one sentence johnnyboy summed up just how big the problems currently facing Liverpool are.

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shithouse statement.

 

what about steven darby? who was actually closer to the player? or is he exempt from critisicm as hes an academy player?

 

fucking hypocrite

 

Darby closer to the player?

 

The only reason Darby was closer to the player in the end was because Lucas stopped tracking the ball and Darby had to try and make up for this.

 

If an individual should should be blamed for that goal its Lucas and when someone makes such an vital error I dont understand how people can say he had a good game especially considering the rest of his non existing performance.

 

I dont care about Darby being an acadamy player, its pretty obvious to me he will never make it at this level, but why should I blame him for Lucas shortcomings?

[Unrighteous]

I think Lucas has easily been our most consistent outfield player this season and more and more supporters (and commentators) are beginning to realise it

 

And with one sentence johnnyboy summed up just how big the problems currently facing Liverpool are.

 

Exactly. He's been consistent, yes, but his level isn't anywhere near where it needs to be...

 

Spybee was talking about 'blind' supporters who don't see the value in Lucas. Look, you can bang on about his 'value' but you're definitely overrating him because he gets horrible stick.

 

I used to do the same thing, but it doesn't take rocket science to see that Lucas doesn't provide what we need from a midfielder. He's not a specialist DM like Masch, he's doesn't have Masch's energy, he doesn't have even Aquilani's range of passing, he doesn't have brilliant movement or positioning, he's not an offensive threat in any sense of the term, he gives away fouls from poor challenges every match... often in dangerous areas...

 

He's what happens when a manager instructs a young player to stay in the middle of the park, and disrupt the opposition. That's it. That's what he is doing so 'brilliantly' for our club. He's been consistently Everton's level of player.

 

...but fuck me right? People consistently point out his weak points so we need to back ourselves against a wall saying how brilliant he is...

 

Both sides of the argument are fucking wrong, and Lucas is definitely in the middle, unfortunately, we need a player as good as his backers are saying he is... and he just isn't.

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

I think Lucas has easily been our most consistent outfield player this season and more and more supporters (and commentators) are beginning to realise it

 

Totally agree. When Lucas started playing better this season people kept saying he did ok 'by his standards'. Well, my opinion is that he has done well this season by our standards. Yesterday again he worked hard, kept the ball in the team and also added one or two potentially match winning passes through (for Kuyt and Gerrard). Whether or not he will ever be good enough to be first choice for a team winning the PL is a completely different question, but this is also pretty far from being relevant at the moment. Like it or not.

[Funkasy]

we need the other 8-10 under performers to start performing, not pointing fingers at our best players of the season but looking where the real problem lies. The biggest problem is Mascha and Lucas cant not and must not play together because our midfield has no harmony when they are together, second our defense have to stop hoofing the ball out at every giving opportunity and try to play the ball up to our midfield, and THIRD, our attacking players that we were relying on all last year, Gerrard, Kuyt, Yossi and a little Riera have to step up to the plate now. (injured or not, if they cant play because of injury they should let someone else take their place)

[Hooch]

Totally agree. When Lucas started playing better this season people kept saying he did ok 'by his standards'. Well, my opinion is that he has done well this season by our standards. Yesterday again he worked hard, kept the ball in the team and also added one or two potentially match winning passes through (for Kuyt and Gerrard). Whether or not he will ever be good enough to be first choice for a team winning the PL is a completely different question, but this is also pretty far from being relevant at the moment. Like it or not.

 

Aye, sitting 7th in the league, thats our standards with Lucas in the team.

[Brownie]

I don't have a problem with Lucas in the holding role. He's decent in the air, has improved his tackling (although further improvement is a must) and his passing is getting better as well. I said a few days ago that i'd be comfortable selling Mascherano for big money and giving Lucas a sustained run in that role to see if he can do the job.

 

I think he's a limited player, especially when playing with Mascherano but that isn't his fault, it's the manager who patently shouldn't be deploying two midfielders who share the same attributes.

 

One thing i'm not comfortable with, however, is people praising Lucas by criticising Gerrard. I don't think it's fair, especially considering the fact that Gerrard is clearly struggling with injury.

[Brownie]

No the Gerrard that has played for us this season and whose passing has completely deserted him to the point where him and Kuyt are going head to head for worst passer.

 

Yet he still played the most incisive pass of yesterdays match with the brilliant through-ball to Torres (when he tried to flick it over the on-coming goalkeeper).

 

A lot of the good things Gerrard does (even when injured) are ignored because his bar is set so much higher than other players, such as Lucas. A poor Gerrard performance would be seen as a good one for Lucas, and that says a lot for me.

 

Although as I said above, i'm fairly happy with Lucas at the moment.

[Little Sammy]

He's decent in the air, has improved his tackling (although further improvement is a must) and his passing is getting better as well.

 

 

Yeah, I'd love to know how many goals Lucas has scored with his head (I can recall a peach of an own goal that gave Villa the win at Anfield), I'd love to know his pass conversion rate (obviously high because the only thing he does is pass it backwards or lose it) as well as the tackles he's won without getting yellow-carded or sent off. And, being the fulcrum of our midfield, I'd love to know how many assists he's chipped in with.

 

I still cannot believe there are some people who think he's actually a good player. What a fucking waste of space.

[elvis]

I think people who can't see the value of Lucas now are either blind or just too stubborn to see it. He's no Steven Gerrard but then neither are 99.99% of players in the world! He's a good solid player and I really think we don't miss Mascherano when Lucas plays in that position.

 

Cant agree with this , personally i think Lucas is massively overrated , he may well be classed as a holding midfielder but his passing is woeful. For me he is a liability .

Him and Kuyt are stinking the place out at the moment.

[Brownie]

Yeah, I'd love to know how many goals Lucas has scored with his head (I can recall a peach of an own goal that gave Villa the win at Anfield), I'd love to know his pass conversion rate (obviously high because the only thing he does is pass it backwards or lose it) as well as the tackles he's won without getting yellow-carded or sent off. And, being the fulcrum of our midfield, I'd love to know how many assists he's chipped in with.

 

I still cannot believe there are some people who think he's actually a good player. What a fucking waste of space.

 

You've totally missed the point of my post, mate. As an attacking player, Lucas is incredibly limited and I made that clear. I was saying he's a decent option in the holding role, so why are you concentrating on the heading, passing and assist rate when I was clearly looking at it from a defensive sense?

 

His defensive headers are much better, his passing is less important when in the holding role and his tackling has improved.

[piscinin]

Yet he still played the most incisive pass of yesterdays match with the brilliant through-ball to Torres (when he tried to flick it over the on-coming goalkeeper).

 

A lot of the good things Gerrard does (even when injured) are ignored because his bar is set so much higher than other players, such as Lucas. A poor Gerrard performance would be seen as a good one for Lucas, and that says a lot for me.

 

Although as I said above, i'm fairly happy with Lucas at the moment.

 

Quality is not Gerrard's problem. It's consistency.