UKIP

[RedRazor]

We need the freedom of movement the EU Provides because pretty soon nobody will be able to afford a house in this country.

 

The housing market is totally bizzare how can anybody not look at it and think this is a bit of a mess.

 

It isn't Bobby it is dead straightforward..

 

If you have enough money you will buy/rent. If you don't then you won't.

 

If more people buy/rent then prices go up - if they don't then prices go down.

 

It is about as simple as it gets.

[RedRazor]

Your second last sentence. You do realise that this is claptrap and may have been uttered by Farage himself, I hope?

 

Claptrap?

 

Pistols at dawn Sir.

 

Defend yourself or forever hide behind your internet anonimity.

 

Seriously though my second last sentence was "If you want to buy into this then all you need to do is absolutely nothing." is this the one you meant?

[RedRazor]

It is a bit puzzling, Stronts' support of the EU, welcome as it is. I'm just wondering whether it's the Liberal or the Democrat bit that chimes with his vision of the EU.

 

It is an astonishingly wasteful and corrupt monolith, and is in thrall to the biggest corporations in Europe, in much the same way national governments have increasingly been over the last 40 years.

However, Liverpool has done well out of Europe. Without funding from Europe, Liverpool would be further behind the major cities in England than it is now. I'm pro-EU for that reason as well as it's moderating effect on some of our governments assaults on the common man.

What funding would that be? Could it in be the money that we paid to Europe that they agreed to pay back to us by way of a rebate (negotiated by Her Who's Name Shall Not Be Mentioned)?

 

Sounds like dogmatic claptrap to me.

 

What are these  "assaults on the common man" to which you refer?

[Croque Monsieur]

You don't feel compassion for people in a shitter position than yourself? Or just different situation?

I feel compassion, I'm sure the vast majority of us do. However it quickly wears off.

 

Compassion is cheap. We all tut and shake our heads at the terrible images flashed nightly on the news reports, then quickly switch channels to watch whatever vapid, mind-numbing shit is being shown, all whilst stuffing our fat faces with microwave dinners. The very idea of getting up off our arses and actually doing something about it is alien to the vast majority of us. That is until we're the ones directly affected. 

 

I make no criticism of others here. I'm completely apathetic and, as long as 'The Man' lets me have my weekly dose of ethanol at a fairly reasonable cost, I'll make no waves.

[RedRazor]

I'm thinking of selling everything I own and fucking off to build a shitty little wooden shack in Vietnam or Cambodia out in the wilderness and living off the land, can't be arsed with the shit we're being served and having living standards constantly eroded, at least over there in my wooden shack I'd have a choice whereas over here it'll be forced upon me soon enough. Cunts.

Monday's choice is Typhus or Cholera.

 

Tuesday's choice is Typhus or Cholera.

 

Wednesday's choice is Typhus or Cholera.

 

Thursday's choice is  Typhus,  Cholera or Polio.

 

At least Thursday will be a bit different from the rest of the week.

[RedRazor]

You don't feel compassion for people in a shitter position than yourself? Or just different situation?

It really isn't that black and white though is it?

 

Someone needs to write a book on this.

 

Maybe they could call it 50 Shades Of Gray (not tp be confused with 50 Shades Of Grey which is chick lit porn)

[RedRazor]

You don't feel compassion for people in a shitter position than yourself? Or just different situation?

This will sound extremely harsh, normally I am a really caring and sensitive person, but if you are talking about anything that relates to housing for anyone living inside the M25 ..... then they can just fuck off, rot in the streets or move back to their parents. I really do not give one flying fuck about the house price obsessed shower of shite. They are the reason we have the bedroom tax. They are the reason we have the current house price bubble. Fuck 'em.

 

Anywhere else then we (the government) need to sort it out.

[Lee909]

This will sound extremely harsh, normally I am a really caring and sensitive person, but if you are talking about anything that relates to housing for anyone living inside the M25 ..... then they can just fuck off, rot in the streets or move back to their parents. I really do not give one flying fuck about the house price obsessed shower of shite. They are the reason we have the bedroom tax. They are the reason we have the current house price bubble. Fuck 'em.

 

Anywhere else then we (the government) need to sort it out.

 

 

 

Go fuck yourself

 

Cause we all voted for these cunts didnt we

[RedRazor]

Uruguay, mate. Uruguay.

I've been to Montevideo and have a photo somehwere of me standing next to the anchor of the Graf Spee.

 

Other than that I thought it was a shithole - although I am impressed with one of their more recent exports.

[RedRazor]

Go fuck yourself

 

Cause we all voted for these cunts didnt we

And I respond in kind to you good Sir - go and jolly well roger yourself up the bottom. I never voted for the "inside the M25 party" and never intend to.

[RedRazor]

Go fuck yourself

 

Cause we all voted for these cunts didnt we

Oh. and your post made as much sense as an Edward Lear poem.

 

Here is one reproduced for your delectation:

 

"How pleasant to know Mr. Lear,

Who has written such volumes of stuff.

Some think him ill-tempered and queer,

But a few find him pleasant enough.

 

His mind is concrete and fastidious,

His nose is remarkably big;

His visage is more or less hideous,

His beard it resembles a wig.

 

He has ears, and two eyes, and ten fingers,

(Leastways if you reckon two thumbs);

He used to be one of the singers,

But now he is one of the dumbs.

 

He sits in a beautiful parlour,

With hundreds of books on the wall;

He drinks a great deal of marsala,

But never gets tipsy at all.

 

He has many friends, laymen and clerical,

Old Foss is the name of his cat;

His body is perfectly spherical,

He weareth a runcible hat.

 

When he walks in waterproof white,

The children run after him so!

Calling out, "He's gone out in his night-

Gown, that crazy old Englishman, oh!"

 

He weeps by the side of the ocean,

He weeps on the top of the hill;

He purchases pancakes and lotion,

And chocolate shrimps from the mill.

 

He reads, but he does not speak, Spanish,

He cannot abide ginger beer;

Ere the days of his pilgrimage vanish,

How pleasant to know Mr. Lear!"

[Barrington Womble]

What funding would that be? Could it in be the money that we paid to Europe that they agreed to pay back to us by way of a rebate (negotiated by Her Who's Name Shall Not Be Mentioned)?

 

Sounds like dogmatic claptrap to me.

 

What are these "assaults on the common man" to which you refer?

That money would not filtered our way had Westminster been in control of it. If you want an example of that, look no further than the HS2 plans. Help Manchester and Birmingham, but fuck those scouse cunts unless they can fund it themselves.

[Bobby Hundreds]

It isn't Bobby it is dead straightforward..

 

If you have enough money you will buy/rent. If you don't then you won't.

 

If more people buy/rent then prices go up - if they don't then prices go down.

 

It is about as simple as it gets.

You make it sound like all people have a choice outside of buying or renting. I'm fully aware of how supply and demand works. I find it bizzare there's no or little regulating. For a start I'd end this house portfolio shit of people owning hundreds of homes they rent out so they can sit on their arse nd make money extorting others and leaving an even smaller pool of houses for people to own.

[Bobby Hundreds]

This is just human nature. It will never change.

 

I'm as guilty of it as the next man.

I'm better off under this Tory government financially but I know their actions are fucking society over hugely which does impact me. I'm sick of politicians playing the short term fix game and fucking over the country to fudge stats for a brief moment in time. I think our political elite are fucking psychopaths. Quick profit and fuck anybody or anything else. They are allowing corporations to become too powerful. If capitalism is about competition what happens when the competition is bought up and there is a monopoly over every aspect of life. When the TTIP comes in corporations can actually sue governments if the government makes a decision that impacts their profit. Humanity will be wiped out for greed.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

You don't feel compassion for people in a shitter position than yourself? Or just different situation?

Nah, fuck em. Too lazy to work, etc. I mean, they had the same opportunity to go to Eton and Oxbridge as the child of a billionaire. If they really wanted they could all be billionaires too. Equality, isn't it. God bless America. I mean England.

[Jairzinho]

I feel compassion, I'm sure the vast majority of us do. However it quickly wears off.

 

Compassion is cheap. We all tut and shake our heads at the terrible images flashed nightly on the news reports, then quickly switch channels to watch whatever vapid, mind-numbing shit is being shown, all whilst stuffing our fat faces with microwave dinners. The very idea of getting up off our arses and actually doing something about it is alien to the vast majority of us. That is until we're the ones directly affected. 

 

I make no criticism of others here. I'm completely apathetic and, as long as 'The Man' lets me have my weekly dose of ethanol at a fairly reasonable cost, I'll make no waves.

 

Well I admire your honesty, but that certainly doesn't describe me.

[Jairzinho]

Nah, fuck em. Too lazy to work, etc. I mean, they had the same opportunity to go to Eton and Oxbridge as the child of a billionaire. If they really wanted they could all be billionaires too. Equality, isn't it. God bless America. I mean England.

 

Spot on.

[RedRazor]

You make it sound like all people have a choice outside of buying or renting. I'm fully aware of how supply and demand works. I find it bizzare there's no or little regulating. For a start I'd end this house portfolio shit of people owning hundreds of homes they rent out so they can sit on their arse nd make money extorting others and leaving an even smaller pool of houses for people to own.

How does this help? There are people who do not want to buy and like having the choice over where they rent. Where I live there is a mix of privately owned, privately rented, sheltered and social housing. Prices are affordable (starter homes from £60k upwards, private rents £500 per month), there is no-one living on the streets and as far as I am aware there isn't a housing problem. Are you proposing another national solution to a problem that primarily exists inside the M25? A bit like the bedroom tax?

[Bobby Hundreds]

Social housing id rather the profit went back into the state. I'm bully for you if there is no housing problem near you, I'd say over half the people I know are are in a constant state of fear of their housing situation be it mortgages, private rent or social housing because of the bedroom tax. The bedroom tax has fucked my sister over who is a nurse but has to move into a council house when she split up from her husband, she has a boy and a girl both under 11 so legally they can share and there's no houses with less than 3 bedrooms in the area so the bedroom tax has become a new very heavy burden.

 

How does a few people buying up all the houses in an area help.

[RedRazor]

I'm better off under this Tory government financially but I know their actions are fucking society over hugely which does impact me. I'm sick of politicians playing the short term fix game and fucking over the country to fudge stats for a brief moment in time. I think our political elite are fucking psychopaths. Quick profit and fuck anybody or anything else. They are allowing corporations to become too powerful. If capitalism is about competition what happens when the competition is bought up and there is a monopoly over every aspect of life. When the TTIP comes in corporations can actually sue governments if the government makes a decision that impacts their profit. Humanity will be wiped out for greed.

But that isn't really telling the whole story is it?

 

Foreign corporations would only be able to sue if governments made laws that discriminated against foreign corporations that had invested in a country. If a law impacts both foreign and national corporations in the same way (as they should) then they can't sue. Governments retain the right to pass any laws that they choose that are in the public interest and cannot be sued for doing so. I'm not sure much is changing with TTIP.

[Bobby Hundreds]

What constitutes the public interest these days. Do our politcians give two fucks about public interest. Nearly every politician has said this week they can only interfere when they believe national security is at risk due to new labour changing the laws that essentially castrated parliament.

[RedRazor]

Social housing id rather the profit went back into the state. I'm bully for you if there is no housing problem near you, I'd say over half the people I know are are in a constant state of fear of their housing situation be it mortgages, private rent or social housing because of the bedroom tax. The bedroom tax has fucked my sister over who is a nurse but has to move into a council house when she split up from her husband, she has a boy and a girl both under 11 so legally they can share and there's no houses with less than 3 bedrooms in the area so the bedroom tax has become a new very heavy burden.

 

How does a few people buying up all the houses in an area help.

They aren't buying all of the houses - just some of them. I nearly got myself a job a couple of months back that would have meant working away from home during the week. I would have looked to rent privately because

- it would have been short term (probably 18 months),

- I would want to pick where I rented and

-  I guess that I wouldn't have met any of the social housing criteria for getting a property.

If there were no private landlords my only option would have been a B&B.

What about the hundreds of thousands of students who look for temporary accomodation each year? I think there is a place for private landlords and have no issue with them. Justt like any other section of society there will be good and bad landlords.

 

The bedroom tax is a disgusting piece of legislation imo. But I maintain that it's primary focus, coupled with the benefits cap, was to reduce what the state was paying for housing in London and the South East. The fact that the fallout is felt throughout the country was incidental to the Tories. Even in a shitty area of London rents start at about £2k per month for a flat and £3k for a house in the private market. I don't feel the state has any obligation to house people at these prices just because they feel they "belong" or want to live in a particular area.

[Spy Bee]

 I don't feel the state has any obligation to house people at these prices just because they feel they "belong" or want to live in a particular area.

So you think that people who are benefits should be forced to live wherever the government sees fit? Not so much "get on your bike and find work" as "get on your bike and find a house"!

[cloggypop]

I love Bill Drummond

 

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/whats-on/arts-culture-news/bill-drummond-birmingham-ukip-poster-7084059

[RedRazor]

So you think that people who are benefits should be forced to live wherever the government sees fit? Not so much "get on your bike and find work" as "get on your bike and find a house"!

If they are applying for social housing that is exactly what happens now. You don't get to walk in and ask for 32 Acacia Avenue - if you are lucky you will get offered something that happens to be available at that time. So it is a question of distance not principle.