Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

23 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I was unlucky enough to exist at the same time as Bjornebye. 

Repped 

[Section_31]

Never gets old.

 

 

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Lost respect for Lammy there. Stand by your convictions man.

"convictions" 'labour party' sniggers.

 

The Labour right wing friends of Israel mob have been very quiet these past few days; Streeting, Lammy, Hodges, Phillips etc ... wonder why? 

 

 

 

"Convictions"?  The Labour right are nothing more than a bunch of two bob cunts;

 

 

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/14846/catholics-mourn-south-africa-s-anglican-archbishop-desmond-tutu

[Anubis]

And then this one time, in March 2020, at Band Camp…

 

 

[Gnasher]

The British media and right wing of the Labour Party should be hanging their heads in shame, just compere their response to the rest of the world,

 

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/27/africa/desmond-tutu-lgbtq-climate-palestine-reaction-intl/index.html

[Strontium]

Oh Ron...

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

Hang on, is implying that Israel hold political weight a crime? 

 

I mean, we saw what happened to Corbyn in his campaign and all those allegations being... well a load of bollocks? 

 

Support for the innocent people of Palestine who are being subjected to genocide isn't anti-semitism it's being a decent human being

 

I realise why you might struggle with that concept. 

 

Oh and fuck Starmer, the tit. 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hang on, is implying that Israel hold political weight a crime? 

 

I mean, we saw what happened to Corbyn in his campaign and all those allegations being... well a load of bollocks? 

 

Support for the innocent people of Palestine who are being subjected to genocide isn't anti-semitism it's being a decent human being

 

I realise why you might struggle with that concept. 

 

Oh and fuck Starmer, the tit. 

 

You really are a caricature at this point.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You really are a caricature at this point.

Erm..... pretty shit reply for someone who can't give a response. You usually just ignore them. 

 

Is implying that Israel hold political weight a problem? 

 

How did the Corbyn anti-semite campaign turn out and why did it stop pretty much the day after he lost the election? 

 

Let's assess the facts eh, the reality. 

 

As much as you try to claim to be a liberal and educated you're nothing but a sly one sided jelly baby who is about as nuanced as a rocket launcher. 

 

 

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Let's assess the facts eh, the reality.

 

Great stuff. You can start with your evidence that Starmer is taking orders from Israel.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Great stuff. You can start with your evidence that Starmer is taking orders from Israel.

Where have I said that? and what about the rest of my post? 

 

Come on, I know you are a liar and a deflector and a hypocrite but come on. Answer some basic questions instead of inventing your own irrelevant ones eh big boy? 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Where have I said that? and what about the rest of my post? 

 

Well, you said you want facts and reality. For some reason you negged me simply for posting a Tweet that got someone suspended from Labour. I can only presume you think Ron was correct in what he said, so given your newfound devotion to facts and reality, let's see some evidence that he was correct.

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Well, you said you want facts and reality. For some reason you negged me simply for posting a Tweet that got someone suspended from Labour. I can only presume you think Ron was correct in what he said, so given your newfound devotion to facts and reality, let's see some evidence that he was correct.

I negged you because you are assuming he is wrong. Neg me back? That's fine by me. 

 

Now, try and answer my questions if you can. if you don't (which as suspected you won't as usual) I'll still think you're a lying, hypocritical shitbag. 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I negged you because you are assuming he is wrong

 

Of course I am. Do you know how evidence works? If someone makes a statement like that, then they're going to need to support it with, you know, facts.

I think (it was difficult to tell) the question you wanted me to answer was: Is implying that Israel hold political weight a problem? 

 

Well, that isn't what Ron said, is it? He didn't say "Israel has political weight", which would be a relatively anodyne statement. He said "Starmer is following commands from Israel", which is something very different.

 

The fact you negged me and called me a liar for the crime of assuming that someone making crazy, baseless claims (ie lies) was talking complete wham, is as much irony as I can take for one day.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Of course I am. Do you know how evidence works? If someone makes a statement like that, then they're going to need to support it with, you know, facts.

I think (it was difficult to tell) the question you wanted me to answer was: Is implying that Israel hold political weight a problem? 

 

Well, that isn't what Ron said, is it? He didn't say "Israel has political weight", which would be a relatively anodyne statement. He said "Starmer is following commands from Israel", which is something very different.

 

The fact you negged me and called me a liar for the crime of assuming that someone making crazy, baseless claims (ie lies) was talking complete wham, is as much irony as I can take for one day.

No. I called you a liar because you are a liar in general, as in , often..... you know like a liar is. 

 

I asked you a question. You can't answer it. 

 

Regardless of what "Ron" said I asked you a question. I didn't mention him. 

 

As for evidence, I'm sure he has some I can imagine him having some. I did point out the Corbyn slander and agenda that conveniently stopped after the election. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Anything to suggest he might not be telling the truth? 

[Bjornebye]

On 19/12/2021 at 14:48, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, it's not like you followed this with a troll avatar of both Corbyn brothers. Agenda? Concerned about something? 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

As for evidence, I'm sure he has some I can imagine him having some.

 

Outstanding.

 

Yes, you do seem to imagine quite a lot.

 

Unless you want to provide even a smidgen of evidence that Ron wasn't talking out of his shiny hoop, we are very much done here.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Outstanding.

 

Yes, you do seem to imagine quite a lot.

 

Unless you want to provide even a smidgen of evidence that Ron wasn't talking out of his shiny hoop, we are very much done here.

I have ? The slander against Corbyn? Does that not count? You have zero evidence to counter his claim. Not a fucking thing other than what I assume you will imply that he "is". 

So yep, we are done here.

[Bruce Spanner]

12 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Outstanding.

 

Yes, you do seem to imagine quite a lot.

 

Unless you want to provide even a smidgen of evidence that Ron wasn't talking out of his shiny hoop, we are very much done here.

 

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I have ? The slander against Corbyn? Does that not count? You have zero evidence to counter his claim. Not a fucking thing other than what I assume you will imply that he "is". 

So yep, we are done here.

 

[Strontium]

9 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

You have zero evidence to counter his claim.

 

That's. Not. How. Evidence. Works.

 

Look, it's clear that you're an idiot, which isn't a crime in itself, but you should at least be aware of your limitations.

 

Demanding I provide evidence (what would this evidence even look like?) that Starmer isn't, in fact, an agent secretly under the direct command of Israel, is the sort of demand that only somebody with serious cognitive issues would make.

 

Sometimes nutcases are just nutcases, and your incessant need to defend them simply because they happen to be on "your" side, is an affront to reason.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

That's. Not. How. Evidence. Works.

 

Look, it's clear that you're an idiot, which isn't a crime in itself, but you should at least be aware of your limitations.

 

Demanding I provide evidence (what would this evidence even look like?) that Starmer isn't, in fact, an agent secretly under the direct command of Israel, is the sort of demand that only somebody with serious cognitive issues would make.

 

Sometimes nutcases are just nutcases, and your incessant need to defend them simply because they happen to be on "your" side, is an affront to reason.

Nice try. Keep throwing new fake bits into an argument that you think are subtle while continuing to make yourself look like the twerp you are.... It's really quite fun. Let's face reality, you're a cunt. You've always been a cunt. You'll always be a cunt. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Dumb for Cooper to bring Israel into his criticism of Starmer. That's exactly the kind of shit that feeds into the accusations of antisemitism.

 

It's fine to question a powerful lobby, Israel being one such, but intimating a domestic political leader is somehow commanded by Israel in any capacity is tiptoeing towards the Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Dumb for Cooper to bring Israel into his criticism of Starmer. That's exactly the kind of shit that feeds into the accusations of antisemitism.

 

It's fine to question a powerful lobby, Israel being one such, but intimating a domestic political leader is somehow commanded by Israel in any capacity is tiptoeing towards the Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory. 

Yep, dumb because of the backlash. Basically means though shalt not mention Israel without the expected negative backlash. Why? Where have we seen this before? Has Priti Patel not just put a motion through the portray journalists who speak badly of MP's as traitors? 

 

But, a life long humanitarian and civil rights activist is an anti-semite for standing up for people who are victims of genocide. That's all that matters really isn't it. 

[Arniepie]

16 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Dumb for Cooper to bring Israel into his criticism of Starmer. That's exactly the kind of shit that feeds into the accusations of antisemitism.

 

It's fine to question a powerful lobby, Israel being one such, but intimating a domestic political leader is somehow commanded by Israel in any capacity is tiptoeing towards the Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory. 

Saying America tells us what to do is a ok.

Saying isreal holds any away means you are a huge racist.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

You can (as I do) say Israel holds sway, and the lobby is particularly powerful. You can criticise an Israeli diplomat for conflating pro-Palestine messages for antisemitism, smearing Emma Watson as an antisemite. You can call into question illegal - by international standards - land grabs and settlement building. You can say they shouldn't be in Eurovision.

 

But intimating a domestic politician is somehow carrying out their commands is just idiotic. That so many on the left will jump to whataboutery is one of the reasons we ended up in this shit storm. Corbyn is not antisemitic, the left is not antisemitic, but a fuckton of the red-flag waving, beret -wearing comrade brigade (whose hearts are generally in the right place) have a massive blind spot for it that means liking murals and shoehorning Israel into critiques of otherwise unconnected people doesn't ring the slightest alarm bell. That worries me. It worries me that we'll still be having these same conversations come general election time, and facing a perpetual Tory government in part due to this arrested development.

 

Anyway, that's my 2p.