London looking like Mogadishu...

[Joe Le Taxi]

This all shines a remarkable, and in many ways wonderful light, on just what a sick culture we've become from top to bottom. I wonder what the people of Japan who stood silently queuing for water in the aftermath of the Tsunami would make of it?

 

When you build your culture around personal gain and the individual - this is what you get.

 

I owe you a rep and I'm nicking this post. Ace work.

[Anubis]

Kids are having it on Lodge Lane.

 

I hope they're wearing condoms.

[Phoenix]

Yeah, I know that. It's also the Tories' fault that there were more people in poverty at the end of Labour's time in office than at the beginning, and the Tories' fault that youth unemployment rose from 13% to 18% under Labour.

 

Clearly this obfuscates the real issue, which is that it's all the Lib Dems' fault really.

 

To be fair, does that into account the increase in level people on incapacity benefit during the tory government, something encouraged by them to skew the stats

[INTORRESTING]

Get job/s, work hard, save money, move out. You know like what a lot of other people have done. Amazing how a lot of immigrants come over here and do exactly as I mentioned and better them selves.

 

It's not as easy as that, on sink estates there is very little chance. Drawn into gangs, schools are shocking, rarely have parental guidance - it is a depressing life

 

A lot of immigrants don't prosper too.

 

I am not surprised when some turn out like they do as with their upbringing it is very unlikely they are suitable for work.

 

Some make it fine but these areas are terrible and there are no opportunities at all plus they are very violent.

 

I think these people are aboslute scum but I am not surprised it is what the country has produced

[Anubis]

Good to hear the BBC reporting that the police are thinly stretched and that some areas are 'no go' areas. That'll discourage the rioters.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

What did I write that wasn't true? You don't think a massive rise in both poverty and youth unemployment is a major contributory factor to the kind of scenes we've seen over the past few days?

 

You didn't write anything that was untrue. I didn't say you did. It was the things you didn't say; the things you omitted. For example, before the global crash - in the last full year of 2007 - youth unemployment was down from when they took over. That's not convenient to your argument, so you ignore it and take it out of context. You've no sense of perspective, just more parroting from other forums.

 

A year in and the riots I predicted - scaremongering you said - are here again. The economy is scrapping on its arse; the recovery stunted. All you can do is point the finger at Labour. It's pathetic. The coalition scrapped the program to get 200k youths back into work and you're responsible for record high youth unemployment. When will the coalition start taking some fucking responsibility for their fuck-ups? When will this 'yeah, but Labour' excuse stop? It doesn't work.

 

Yes, small snippets of info, like "the facts".

 

No, some facts. A few facts that distort reality in order to support your own viewpoint. Your viewpoint isn't based upon fact; you select a few facts which support your conclusion and omit those which do not. You tell lies by omission, and you're not particularly good at it.

[kelster]

No, some facts. A few facts that distort reality in order to support your own viewpoint. Your viewpoint isn't based upon fact; you select a few facts which support your conclusion and omit those which do not. You tell lies by omission, and you're not particularly good at it.

 

I think you'll find everything he says is a FACT. In fact Mr Fact just negged me with "Sorry you have such a problem with FACTS". At least he was sorry though. I guess when you are so up your own arse then personal opinion can sometimes be confused with facts.

[Mr. Beast]

check out the Tory agent provocateur here...

 

[INTORRESTING]

Do you think these rioters would work if offered a job?

[George Costanza]

As much as I can see your points, and I would be lying if I didn't think you are right in some circumstances, I would have to disagree. I don't trust the police to do the right thing.

 

you have every right too. I guess i'm fortunate to not have a bad police experience. I remember when i was younger that the individual bobby was feared and respected (well a bit at least) Now I hear all these teens shout all kinds of abuse at them and they (the police) can't do a thing to sort out the public disturbances.

 

Its my opinion that the PC brigade have ruined this country. You can't fart nowadays without someone moaning and probably suing you for violating their breathing space.

 

At present a show of force would probably stop the looting. Not hard but someone will no doubt be moaning about the civil rights for someone to be able to steal the #1 bestselling PS3 game from HMV

[Sweeney287]

Non fatal shooting in Croydon according to Sky.

[Wor Horse]

Man shot in Croydon.

[dennis tooth]

check out the Tory agent provocateur here...

 

 

I luaghed so hard i feel obligated to ask you to marry me.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Do you think these rioters would work if offered a job?

 

Yes, I do.

[Brownie]

I'm in the middle on this one. On the one hand, I can't condone the vandalism and utter disregard for the law but on the other hand I can see why people are disillusioned, what with increasing taxes, cuts across the whole of the public sector, major companies cutting jobs or offshoring them to increase their already bulging profits, basic facilities such as water, gas and electricity increasing in price by up to 20%, young families unable to get onto the housing ladder etc, etc. This has been bubbling away for a long time and even though many people are in it purely for the mindless vandalism and criminal aspect (bandwagon jumpers), there is a genuine driver for all of this.

[Sut]

Yes, I do.

 

Depends on the job, I'd say.

[dennis tooth]

Its not about people stealing stuff its about the breakdown for me. Break it down.

[Sut]

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[Phoenix]

Depends on the job, I'd say.

 

whether it pays more than drug dealing or mugging

[dennis tooth]

these places all insured so the poor kids taking their money back from the financial instituions if you think about it. Poetic justice.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

Police getting spanked in Hackney according to reporter on Sky.

[Section_31]

Do you think these rioters would work if offered a job?

 

It's not that simple mate, it's not just about having 'a' job. The damage is already done with this lot.

 

Why any of this is a surprise is beyond me. Firefighters have been getting bricked for years, virtually every town and city centre in the country looks like Sodom and Gomorah at the weekend, binge drinking, teenage drinking, youth and knife crime is rife in major cities. This has been building for years, and years and years. It's a combination of not just poverty and hopelessness, but of a total absence of anything resembling a community, moral code, family values or, in fact, even any semblance of culture itself.

 

'Reject everything and become a consumer'. Well they have, and they're coming to consume a neighbourhood near you.

[Sweeney287]

these places all insured so the poor kids taking their money back from the financial instituions if you think about it. Poetic justice.

 

Pushing all our premiums up to pay the insurance companies back.

 

Clever that.

[INTORRESTING]

Yes, I do.

 

I think there is very little chance in most instances. These sort of characters would be very unlikely to get even a menial job and they would be very unlikely to take it imo

 

These people can't function in society, this is the problem, they have no place. It is a deep rooted , ingrained problem.

 

Estates, family background, education, peers and gangs - what chance do they have.

 

Some make it but the majority don't.

 

Having lived in a few of the areas being targeted tonight, included some of the worst estates I am really not surprised whatis going on

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I have friends in the London Fields area of London who are reporting widespread and indiscriminate muggings of civilians who are just going about their business. Fight the power. Clearly reinforces the criminal thug opinion.