Donald Trump

[cloggypop]

US President Donald Trump's adviser Roger Stone has been convicted on all counts of lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering.

The court heard he lied about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton in 2016.

The jury returned its verdict on day two of deliberations in Washington DC.

Witness tampering carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison. The other counts can carry five years each.

The court heard Stone lied in September 2017 during his testimony to the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee's inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the US elections a year earlier.

He was asked about WikiLeaks' release of damaging emails about Mrs Clinton - President Donald Trump's Democratic rival in the vote.

US intelligence officials and Department of Justice Special Counsel Robert Mueller later concluded those messages had been stolen by Russian hackers.

The trial heard Stone had told five lies under oath, including about his conversations with Trump campaign officials and a supposed "intermediary" with WikiLeaks in early August 2016.

He also lied about the existence of certain texts or emails.

Prosecutors told the court that Stone had made the false statements to protect Trump's image.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50438196

[TheHowieLama]

#stoned

[cloggypop]

 

[TheHowieLama]

 

[magicrat]

7 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Except he wont be free for many years !

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 hour ago, cloggypop said:

US President Donald Trump's adviser Roger Stone has been convicted on all counts of lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering.

The court heard he lied about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton in 2016.

The jury returned its verdict on day two of deliberations in Washington DC.

Witness tampering carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison. The other counts can carry five years each.

The court heard Stone lied in September 2017 during his testimony to the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee's inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the US elections a year earlier.

He was asked about WikiLeaks' release of damaging emails about Mrs Clinton - President Donald Trump's Democratic rival in the vote.

US intelligence officials and Department of Justice Special Counsel Robert Mueller later concluded those messages had been stolen by Russian hackers.

The trial heard Stone had told five lies under oath, including about his conversations with Trump campaign officials and a supposed "intermediary" with WikiLeaks in early August 2016.

He also lied about the existence of certain texts or emails.

Prosecutors told the court that Stone had made the false statements to protect Trump's image.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50438196

 

That's better. 

[cloggypop]

Just now, Pistonbroke said:

 

That's better. 

Ta. Blame Dave for the sizing. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Ta. Blame Dave for the sizing. 

 

I use the PC, can't you change the font size when using other devices? 

[cloggypop]

40 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

I use the PC, can't you change the font size when using other devices? 

Sometimes. The site decided to make that post tiny though for some reason. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

Sometimes. 

 

Ta, just wandered mate. 

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Sometimes. The site decided to make that post tiny though for some reason. 

Tiny hands Trump approves of tiny fonts 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

9 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Tiny hands Trump approves of tiny fonts 

 

You have the joy of another Trump visit just before the GE. Odds on Trump and BJ using the NATO summit for a final Tory propaganda push? 

 

Words like USA won't make any post Brexit deals with a Corbyn Gov't incoming. 

[A Red]

3 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Ta. Blame Dave for the sizing. 

He's £12 short 

[TheHowieLama]

 

 

 

 

[cloggypop]

Going well for the orange blert

[Red Phoenix]

This impeachment hearing can be some serious fucking borecore but for some reason I'm kind of hooked watching it at times too.

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

This impeachment hearing can be some serious fucking borecore but for some reason I'm kind of hooked watching it at times too.

This part of it is not really helpful imo.

 

What they should do as they know that there is more than enough evidence of a couple of wrongdoings at this stage is to box it up and send it to the Senate. Unfortunately Dems realize that the Senate will flush this at any cost to whoever was involved except Trump.

 

So what should not look like a trial has now become one, to the point that it even seems sitting Senators are questioning due process at this stage. Due process is the next stage where, you know, Senators are jurors in the trial.

 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

This part of it is not really helpful imo.

 

What they should do as they know that there is more than enough evidence of a couple of wrongdoings at this stage is to box it up and send it to the Senate. Unfortunately Dems realize that the Senate will flush this at any cost to whoever was involved except Trump.

 

So what should not look like a trial has now become one, to the point that it even seems sitting Senators are questioning due process at this stage. Due process is the next stage where, you know, Senators are jurors in the trial.

 

 

Yeah I can't see Reps in the senate impeaching him on this. They seem to have their take on it fixed in their heads so it looks like it's not going anywhere.

[ZonkoVille77]

 

[Red Phoenix]

Some of you might remember me from the 2016 US election thread (joke). Bit of a ramble but it's been bugging me so noting it here :

 

It's sad how anything related to Ukraine interference in the 2016 election is dismissed as a conspiracy theory when there's proof that it did actually take place, even if it's on a way lesser scale than what Russia did.

 

I saw some of Fiona Hill's testimony yesterday and although it's clear that she's intelligent and knows what she's doing she also said anything to do with Ukraine was a conspiracy theory that wasn't helping I think. I watched a couple of hours of member questions to her and skipped her earlier part, but saw reports of it and maybe one clip (had watched a fair amount of the previous two days hearings, wasn't watching a third day as it'd taken too much of my time.)

 

Anyway there's two sets of theories on both countries. For those that've been watching the hearings maybe Schiff would say "2+2=4", or maybe he wouldn't with his erm...slight bias against Republican concerns and allegiance to the Democratic Party.

 

First two =

 

False = Trump campaign colluded with Russia. The Mueller report confirms that the whole thing seems to have been a media frenzied conspiracy theory, and that there was no evidence for this.

 

True = Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Ok I think we can accept that considering that both US parties investigated that and agree on it.

 

Second two =

 

False = Trump's current conspiracy theory that seems to include DNC servers being in the Ukraine (?!), and some other related stuff that can be classed as false I suppose seeing as it's such an insane theory. I haven't looked into the rest of this because I can't be doing with it but there's probably a whole host of other shit included.

 

True = The Ukrainian gov partly worked with the Clinton campaign and the DNC, which even if on a way smaller scale than what Russia is said to have done to interfere, was still interference. I could try and explain this in more detail but it'd probably take a while to try and write with any good enough level of accuracy and make this post way longer. You can look here for more details on that though (the first link has enough to get the idea and general info) :

 

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

 

Ukrainian Embassy confirms DNC contractor solicited Trump dirt in 2016

 

There's was even a court ruling on this in the Ukraine (more here) but I read somewhere that it was later overturned for some reason. Whatever that reason was it clearly doesn't negate all involvement from the Ukrainian gov in the 2016 election.

 

It'd be good if the media could actually mention this from time to time, because to lump anything with Ukraine and the 2016 election all together with Trump's latest ramblings as conspiracy theory then dismiss the whole lot isn't accurate and not really helpful either. It is still interference after all and should be taken seriously by the US if they're genuinely concerned with rooting it out in all forms in future elections.

[Bjornebye]

I watched a bit of the hearing the other day and to be honest I couldn't follow what the fuck they were on about so I just muttered "yank cunts" under my breath then put Only Fools & Horses on Netflix.

 

It was the one where Del buys all them gold chains. 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I watched a bit of the hearing the other day and to be honest I couldn't follow what the fuck they were on about so I just muttered "yank cunts" under my breath then put Only Fools & Horses on Netflix.

 

It was the one where Del buys all them gold chains. 

 

Hahaha.

[Lee909]

We all know how this ends

 

The Republicans won't vote against him to remove him, he will claim its proof of innocence and a conspiracy 

[TheHowieLama]

There do seem to be a fair few amount of people going to prison - usually a tell tale sign of "diabolical intent."

[polymerpunkah]

Big mistake by the Democrats.

 

Impeachment is a trial where the public is the jury.

 

There's still no wide-spread appetite for impeachment and removal from office--or rather they haven't whetted the appetite of anyone who wasn't hungry already.

 

If they do impeach him, Republican Senators will either quickly acquit him, or they'll hold a trial of their own--with the Democrats as the defendants.

 

If they don't impeach him they look incredibly weak.

 

In either case, they've handed Trump a club he'll used from now until 2024.