Coronavirus

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

6 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Stupid question but doesn't the higher than expected death numbers imply that more people have had it than has been suspected, if death rates are supposedly around 0.6-1%?

 

I think the message of what the whole point of the lockdown has been lost myself. As I understood it, it wasn't to stop people getting ill - or even to top people dying - it was to stop everyone getting sick on the same day and all turning up at the Royal on Wednesday night, with not enough beds and not enough ICU beds for people, meaning people would die who didn't need to.

 

As I understand it, that hasn't happened anywhere. The people who've died would have been killed by the virus anyway, whether they caught it last week, next week, or two years from now.

 

The average Joe seems to be under the impression that lockdown is to keep them safe from the virus until such time a miracle cure is found, which probably isn't going to happen soon or may not happen at all.

 

What it should be explained as is that it was a one time hit after a new virus broke out and hit everyone at 100mph, but it did the trick, the nightingale hospitals are mostly empty, ICUs aren't overrun, and the time has and should be used to implement testing regimes, stockpile PPE and research therapeutics and a greater understanding of the virus and how it works. 

 

IMO the way the message has been handled has done unfathomable damage to the national psyche. People are terrified of going out the house, terrified of other people, terrified or touching things.

 

The media has played its fiddle too much. Every running order on the news is basically the daily death rate (with no explanation of things like lag) followed by "horror story of the day", meet the grandmother of 18 whose head exploded on her birthday, they always excuse pushing this lazy and somewhat pointless shit with a message from the family about "please stay home", even though not only are most people already staying home, they'll probably never want to go out ever again. This is all followed by an 'and finally' piece about a dancing policeman.

In that case you have a major problem, as most forward thinking countries are trying to contain and or eradicate until treatments become available.

which is why you will see restrictions relaxed and then increased again as necessary.

the point of lockdowns is to reduce rates of infection, flatten the curve, and try and prevent ICUs being overwhelmed and so to save more lives rather than turning people away or having to take over 70’s off intubation in order to give it to someone younger. Those risks have not gone away in the UK, not whilst you still have so many new cases daily.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

6 hours ago, SasaS said:

But this does not mean that the problem is much bigger than reported. There is official number of dead people in the country, there are statistics of other countries about deaths at home and care home deaths, probable deaths etc., everyone knows that the number of actual cases is many times higher than the number of registered cases.

 

It is fairly easy to get all this information and extrapolate it. UK is not the only country affected by covid 19. Hospitalization is not an unknown number, neither is the ICU occupancy, at least for the healthcare authorities.

 

The only thing we don't know about UK is are there 4-6 million people who have been exposed, or is it as many as 12 million, or even 15 million.  Which is not all that important, compared to the figure of how many new people are being treated, which indicates if the epidemic is spreading or slowing down.  

So basically all of your statistical musing has been bollocks.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Mate - this is where you are massively missing the point. A fair few of the population (read voters and probably about a third) will not do this, even if they could. Not just in the UK but throughout the world.

A good percentage cannot even spell extrapolate.

 

That is why the governments continue to run the false numbers.

A third? That’s 22.22222 percent yeah?

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

3 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

It looks like Prof. John Ashton has been making too much noise. 

 

Apparently, he's an antisemite too now. 

He’s fucking stuck his neck out big time on this. Fair play to him, all those Tory arseholes will be well pissed off with the gobby scouser not playing the game.

[aRdja]

25 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

He’s fucking stuck his neck out big time on this. Fair play to him, all those Tory arseholes will be well pissed off with the gobby scouser not playing the game.

The right wingers seem to be upset that the government is being scrutinised over their handling of this crisis. Utterly bizarre. You would’ve thought they’d see this as a non-partisan issue, given the large amount of deaths.

[TheHowieLama]

41 minutes ago, aRdja said:

The right wingers seem to be upset that the government is being scrutinised over their handling of this crisis. Utterly bizarre. You would’ve thought they’d see this as a non-partisan issue, given the large amount of deaths.

When they blame the Chinese, which they will, they become the centrists in the conversation.

[Stickman]

7 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

It looks like Prof. John Ashton has been making too much noise. 

 

Apparently, he's an antisemite too now. 

From the usual suspect Lee Harpin well known phone-hacker who has been found guilty of writing misleading and false anti-Semitic smears in the past 

[Mudface]

4 hours ago, aRdja said:

The right wingers seem to be upset that the government is being scrutinised over their handling of this crisis. Utterly bizarre. You would’ve thought they’d see this as a non-partisan issue, given the large amount of deaths.

The root cause of it is austerity and Tory ideology in general. It could be an existential moment for those sort of policies, hence the wagons are being circled. It won't be of course, everyone will get fucked over except the ones at the top, who'll make out like bandits picking up forfeited assets for peanuts.

[aRdja]

3 minutes ago, Mudface said:

The root cause of it is austerity and Tory ideology in general. It could be an existential moment for those sort of policies, hence the wagons are being circled. It won't be of course, everyone will get fucked over except the ones at the top, who'll make out like bandits picking up forfeited assets for peanuts.

It just looks a bit unhinged to me.

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, aRdja said:

It just looks a bit unhinged to me.

So did the 'we have to cut everything to the bone to grow the economy else we'll end up like Greece' brigade at first, sadly it became the prevailing narrative.

[Rico1304]

8 hours ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Oh ok, so 'news' comes from the following blog sites and twitter accounts:, can you list them Rico so we know which individuals we need to listen to get the 'best news'?

It wasn’t me who decided, just use the search function.  
 

Some Panorama’s are obviously more equal than others.  

[sir roger]

15 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

It wasn’t me who decided, just use the search function.  
 

Some Panorama’s are obviously more equal than others.  

When it comes out that the NHS participants were complicit in shredding documents and misapropriating funds to stop the government doing their job properly it will be exactly the same.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, sir roger said:

When it comes out that the NHS participants were complicit in shredding documents and misapropriating funds to stop the government doing their job properly it will be exactly the same.

So it’s people at the top acting poorly? Snap. 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

5 hours ago, aRdja said:

The right wingers seem to be upset that the government is being scrutinised over their handling of this crisis. Utterly bizarre. You would’ve thought they’d see this as a non-partisan issue, given the large amount of deaths.

They’ve been bought and sold mate, fucking mugs, this government cares for little but their own avarice and well-being.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Jeremy Corbyn is still talking more sense than most of the political class.

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

50 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Some Panorama’s are obviously more equal than others.  

I read a book once and I didn't like it.

 

This does not make me a hypocrite if I later read another book and decide that I like that one.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I read a book once and I didn't like it.

 

This does not make me a hypocrite if I later read another book and decide that I like that one.

Jesus. That’s a bad take even for on here. Never mind though.   

[aRdja]

34 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

They’ve been bought and sold mate, fucking mugs, this government cares for little but their own avarice and well-being.

I just don’t get it. I can’t get my head around it. Surely you just want the government to do the right thing... the virus doesn’t discriminate based on your politics. The fucking PM almost died. Have a look at the quoted tweet below. It’s genuinely embarrassing. Bunch of deranged cunts.

 

 

[Mudface]

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, Mudface said:

It’s not just the media... it’s the people too. Really sad to see.

 

 

[Mudface]

Just now, aRdja said:

It’s not the just media... it’s the people too.

 

 

Useful idiots.

[Spy Bee]

8 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Unduly negative? Get to fuck, there are people dying due to your government’s handling of the situation.

you shouldn’t be looking to relax fuck all as of yet.

people are confident a vaccine will be about in September? So anyone between now and then is fair game? Viral load - how does this come about, well Clive , mainly due to a rise in patient infection rates leading to a rise in hospitalisation rates - and what can we do to prevent this? Probably stay at fucking home and reduce the rate of infection.

people waiting on cancer treatments and other life threatening illnesses are still being seen, guess what they have a far better chance of making it through any treatment, with lower Covid hospitalisation rates, and reduced risk of adding Covid to any other issues they maybe suffering CF the fact so many under 70s patients have died with co-morbidities.

everyone wants this to be over, the only way through is to continue to be risk averse, because otherwise it will continue to propagate. Use the time to study the virus and come up with treatments, and measures around it.

relax early and all of those workers who have been “thanked” for keeping public services open are back in the firing line.

go and watch a few documentaries on the “Spanish flu” see how much damage the states caused then.

Professor Karol Sikora is one of many who disagrees with you:https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora

 

This is not about a rush back to normality, this is about a balanced approach.

[Gnasher]

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

3 hours ago, Stickman said:

From the usual suspect Lee Harpin well known phone-hacker who has been found guilty of writing misleading and false anti-Semitic smears in the past 

Yep. The same bloke who was successfully sued by a member of the Liverpool Riverside CLP as he told lies about people being antisemitic and bullying Louise Ellman and others. 

 

I think these demonstrably untrue smears were also featured in a BBC documentary programme. The name of it escapes me. Pano something or other????....

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The returning hero is shitting out of PMQs and sending Dominic Raab instead. 

 

EDIT: it's since been confirmed that his missus has just given birth, so we'll let him off.