Football journalists

[JermainePennant]

Doubt Swansea or Reading are on most of their patch to be fair.

When he plays LFC they will be, I only watched Rodgers final press conference during the last international break and saw him being respectful and polite to Bascombe.After all the shit he's said about Rodgers Brendan should have nothing to do with him.

[deiseach]

let's not forget we are worse off in the league compared to last season which was a nightmare.

 

How do you figure that?

[bonesman]

When he plays LFC they will be, I only watched Rodgers final press conference during the last international break and saw him being respectful and polite to Bascombe.After all the shit he's said about Rodgers Brendan should have nothing to do with him.

 

I applaud your optimism

[Russ Atmosphere]

How do you figure that?

 

[JermainePennant]

How do you figure that?

We had more points and were closer to fourth, that was the case a couple of weeks ago anyway and if things have changed we must be on around the same number of points as at this time last season.If Klopp has improved things so much we should be a lot better off as he took over when we had a better start in the league and our squad is considerably stronger.

 

Klopp has plenty of excuses for that and I'm not trying to criticise him, when Bascombe try's to say Klopp has drastically improved everything he's talking bollocks and that is why I don't like him.Ive seen it from after basically every big win Klopp has had, either his football knowledge is not great or he's just sticking the boot in to Rodgers for some reason, either he dislikes him or has been influenced by fans who didn't like Rodgers.

[deiseach]

We had more points and were closer to fourth, that was the case a couple of weeks ago anyway and if things have changed we must be on around the same number of points as at this time last season.

 

You're guessing.

[ben48]

I came on this thread to read about football journalists,and I find that Pennants at it again. Give it a rest man for fucks sake.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

We had more points and were closer to fourth, that was the case a couple of weeks ago anyway and if things have changed we must be on around the same number of points as at this time last season.If Klopp has improved things so much we should be a lot better off as he took over when we had a better start in the league and our squad is considerably stronger.

Klopp has plenty of excuses for that and I'm not trying to criticise him, when Bascombe try's to say Klopp has drastically improved everything he's talking bollocks and that is why I don't like him.Ive seen it from after basically every big win Klopp has had, either his football knowledge is not great or he's just sticking the boot in to Rodgers for some reason, either he dislikes him or has been influenced by fans who didn't like Rodgers.

Don't really know where to start so I won't bother. Fucking clown shoes.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

We had more points and were closer to fourth, that was the case a couple of weeks ago anyway and if things have changed we must be on around the same number of points as at this time last season.If Klopp has improved things so much we should be a lot better off as he took over when we had a better start in the league and our squad is considerably stronger.

 

 

Last season we had a really good spell for a few weeks which nudged us implausibly close to fourth. As I recall, that spell ended 12 months and a few weeks ago. We then reverted to shite.

 

You need to update your comparison.

[JermainePennant]

You're guessing.

I just checked, we were 4 points better off at this stage and had got 54 points which is what we have now after 30 games.After the Manu game the team gave up and we finished on 62 points.

[ben48]

Fuck off.

[Russ Atmosphere]

I came on this thread to read about football journalists,and I find that Pennants at it again. Give it a rest man for fucks sake.

Martin Samuel is a fat, sweaty cunt.

[deiseach]

I just checked, we were 4 points better off at this stage and had got 54 points which is what we have now after 30 games.After the Manu game the team gave up and we finished on 62 points.

 

So we were better last season if we ignore the bits where we were shit? On the basis of looking at corresponding fixtures we are two points better off. Not good, but not worse. I wonder where we'll be in the third year of Klopp's time in charge.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

I just checked, we were 4 points better off at this stage and had got 54 points which is what we have now after 30 games.After the Manu game the team gave up and we finished on 62 points.

Let me just sum this up. Jurgen Klopp is a world renowned manager with a proven record of winning trophies who took over a shambles presided over by a fucking clueless egotistical balloon.

Without adding to the squad he has us in a cup final and a European cup semi. Rodgers Euro record was like Vampires. None existent. Now this continual harping back to are glory days of Brendan asks two questions of you, mentioned many times before.

1 Are you Rodgers ?

2 Are you a wum ?

 

If you are neither of the above you really do need counselling. I for one find you frightfully good fun and would fall into pits of despair ( like you over Brendan ) if you were ever banned.

 

Keep up the good work you fucking looney/wum/Brendan. It's really ace. And you are boss !

[JermainePennant]

Let me just sum this up. Jurgen Klopp is a world renowned manager with a proven record of winning trophies who took over a shambles presided over by a fucking clueless egotistical balloon.

Without adding to the squad he has us in a cup final and a European cup semi. Rodgers Euro record was like Vampires. None existent. Now this continual harping back to are glory days of Brendan asks two questions of you, mentioned many times before.

1 Are you Rodgers ?

2 Are you a wum ?

 

If you are neither of the above you really do need counselling. I for one find you frightfully good fun and would fall into pits of despair ( like you over Brendan ) if you were ever banned.

 

Keep up the good work you fucking looney/wum/Brendan. It's really ace. And you are boss !

We had a manager who I thought was perfect, I wanted him to be our Ferguson and stay for a good few years.He performed miracles in the league, had a bad season and then was sacked 2-3 months in to the start of the next season because we were not at the top challenging for the league from the start.It wasn't the right thing to do imo and what has happened since hasn't convinced me he needed to be sacked.

 

When Bascombe and others try to use every positive from this season as proof that Rodgers was getting everything wrong I think they are factually wrong, I dont like it because there is no need for it and I would like to see Rodgers return one day, these people trying to poison others minds are fucking up the chances of that happening.

 

I've never said anything that I should be banned for, the few that have suggested it because I ctiticsed Klopp said far worse about Rodgers last season.I don't troll either and have asked for one example of when I did and no one has come up with one.You are one of the posters I like on here also, it's good to debate with people on here as most have more knowledge than the average football fan.

[Russ Atmosphere]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

We had a manager who I thought was perfect, I wanted him to be our Ferguson and stay for a good few years.He performed miracles in the league, had a bad season and then was sacked 2-3 months in to the start of the next season because we were not at the top challenging for the league from the start.It wasn't the right thing to do imo and what has happened since hasn't convinced me he needed to be sacked.

A poor first season, an absolutely brilliant second season, and catastrophic third season and a shit start to a fourth season = performing miracles in the league.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

We had a manager who I thought was perfect, I wanted him to be our Ferguson and stay for a good few years.He performed miracles in the league, had a bad season and then was sacked 2-3 months in to the start of the next season because we were not at the top challenging for the league from the start.It wasn't the right thing to do imo and what has happened since hasn't convinced me he needed to be sacked.

When Bascombe and others try to use every positive from this season as proof that Rodgers was getting everything wrong I think they are factually wrong, I dont like it because there is no need for it and I would like to see Rodgers return one day, these people trying to poison others minds are fucking up the chances of that happening.

I've never said anything that I should be banned for, the few that have suggested it because I ctiticsed Klopp said far worse about Rodgers last season.I don't troll either and have asked for one example of when I did and no one has come up with one.You are one of the posters I like on here also, it's good to debate with people on here as most have more knowledge than the average football fan.

For what it's worth he should have gone after the Stoke debacle. He had lost the players before that, not all his fault but when they essentially down tools en masse it's not good. Modern footballers on the whole are shits though.

If you are genuine I admire your gumption and steely resolve though.

As for what has happened since he left we have improved without addition whatever the league says, we have purpose and attitude and a proper manager equipped to manage at this level.

The European games prove the gulf in knowledge between both managers.

And finally , yes you are correct, I'm a football vacuum just sucking in knowledge.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

I'm wondering what JP thinks of our former manager, Brendan Rodgers.

 

Reply ASAP please JP. I'm on the edge of my seat.

[JermainePennant]

A poor first season, an absolutely brilliant second season, and catastrophic third season and a shit start to a fourth season = performing miracles in the league.

If his first season in the league was poor then Klopps first season in the prem has been even worse.Rodgers took over one of the worst LFC squads and after 6 months he transformed our style of play and had us in cl form.Klopp took over a stronger squad than last season and is doing worse in the league with weaker rivals.

 

This has all been debated, my opinion isn't going to change and it seems fans who didn't like Rodgers wont change their minds either.My point in this thread is Bascombe and others who try to say everything good that has happened is progress and Rodgers wouldn't have been able to do it are wrong.

[Tourt]

If his first season in the league was poor then Klopps first season in the prem has been even worse.Rodgers took over one of the worst LFC squads and after 6 months he transformed our style of play and had us in cl form.Klopp took over a stronger squad than last season and is doing worse in the league with weaker rivals.

 

This has all been debated, my opinion isn't going to change and it seems fans who didn't like Rodgers wont change their minds either.My point in this thread is Bascombe and others who try to say everything good that has happened is progress and Rodgers wouldn't have been able to do it are wrong.

It’s not just results JP, the improvement in fitness and individual performances are noticeable.

 

Origi, Can, Llalana, Lovrem, Sakho and Moreno all look much better players since Klopp took charge. I’ll tempt fate by pointing out it’s been ages since Mignolet dropped his last clanger.

 

I’m not Bascombe’s biggest fan, but he does have a point; Klopp has improved us as a team.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

If his first season in the league was poor then Klopps first season in the prem has been even worse.Rodgers took over one of the worst LFC squads and after 6 months he transformed our style of play and had us in cl form.Klopp took over a stronger squad than last season and is doing worse in the league with weaker rivals.

 

Revisionist bullshit.

 

Rodgers inherited a trophy winning squad.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

If his first season in the league was poor then Klopps first season in the prem has been even worse.Rodgers took over one of the worst LFC squads and after 6 months he transformed our style of play and had us in cl form.Klopp took over a stronger squad than last season and is doing worse in the league with weaker rivals.

This has all been debated, my opinion isn't going to change and it seems fans who didn't like Rodgers wont change their minds either.My point in this thread is Bascombe and others who try to say everything good that has happened is progress and Rodgers wouldn't have been able to do it are wrong.[/quo

 

As far as style of play from Brendan goes I can't agree. Two seasons on the run he bought players to fit a system then had to completely change formation. Some might call it adaptation I call it poor management. He bought players to play 433 and we did nothing in that system.

Your last sentence is conjecture. If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle. Good red uncle Susan.

[deiseach]

Revisionist bullshit.

 

Rodgers inherited a trophy winning squad.

 

Indeed. It's true that Rodgers' first season 'in the prem' was an improvement on the year before. But we flopped out of the League Cup that we were defending at home to Swansea and the FA Cup to Oldham.

 

Then there was Europe. I still have many fond memories of the Rodgers years but the performances in Europe were absolutely dire. Soaking in that performance against Dortmund, I couldn't help but think of the contempt with which Brendan treated the Europa League. It's a common feature of English football these days with managers thinking they can be as good as Alex Ferguson by replicating his disdain for the Mickey Mouse trophies. Football journalists would rise in my estimation (not that that would be hard) if they called out managers for this attitude. "So tell me Steve Bruce, how beneficial was taking a dive out of Hull's first ever foray into Europe? Was it the reason you finished 18th rather than 19th or 20th?"

 

And hopefully that gets us back on topic.

[Dr Nowt]

Good article here from the ever reliable JP.

 

Liverpool fans will salute Benitez but Klopp is helping them move on from the past

 

05:00, 23 APR 2016 UPDATED 12:13, 23 APR 2016 BY JAMES PEARCE

 

Blood Red: Rafa will return to a club buoyant and united behind Jurgen Klopp

 

The last time Rafa Benitez emerged from the Anfield tunnel there were plenty of Liverpool supporters wishing he was heading for the home technical area.

 

It was April 2013 and the jury was still out on Brendan Rodgers after a mixed first season as Reds manager.

 

With Liverpool bobbing around in mid-table mediocrity, the sight of Benitez - back as interim boss of Chelsea - rammed home how far the club had fallen from the dizzy heights of that fifth European Cup in Istanbul.

 

No manager in the club’s history polarises opinion quite like Benitez. The decision to end his six-year reign in 2010 divided the fanbase.

 

Many argued his tenure went downhill simply due to circumstances beyond his control as the damaging ownership of American duo Tom Hicks and George Gillett took its toll. That Benitez was simply a victim in Anfield’s civil war.

 

Others insisted his demise was largely self-inflicted – the result of mistakes in the transfer market and spending too much time picking fights he couldn’t win/

 

But what all Liverpool supporters can agree on is that Benitez gave them some of the greatest nights of their lives. He turned a team boasting Djimi Traore, Djibril Cisse, Harry Kewell and Milan Baros into champions of Europe.

 

As well as the Miracle of Istanbul and the dramatic FA Cup final triumph over West Ham 12 months later, there were cherished wins in the Camp Nou, Bernabeu and San Siro. During his tenure Liverpool topped UEFA’s rankings and were feared across the continent.

 

His final act of manager, donating £96,000 to the Hillsborough Family Support Group, was a touch of class.

 

Three years ago Benitez received the warmest of receptions for an Anfield homecoming which was ultimately overshadowed by Luis Suarez’s nibble on Branislav Ivanovic’s right arm prior to the Uruguayan’s dramatic late equaliser.

 

Once again on Saturday afternoon the Kop will chant Benitez’s name as he returns with a Newcastle United side locked in a desperate battle to avoid relegation.

 

However, on this occasion the outpouring of emotion will be different. There will be no yearning for days gone by, merely a show of appreciation for past service.

 

No wonder Jurgen Klopp brushed off any sense of awkwardness at the prospect of the Kop paying homage to Benitez.

 

“I’m fine with this,” he said. “That’s how I would say hello to an old friend.”

 

Klopp knows there is no threat. Not since Benitez was ruling Europe has a Liverpool manager’s stock been as high among supporters as Klopp’s currently. Not since Benitez made the move from Valencia has an outsider been so quickly taken to Kopites’ hearts.

 

Why would anyone be craving for the clocks to be turned back when the future looks so full of promise?

 

What Klopp has achieved in the space of six months is nothing short of incredible. Rodgers got the bullet because the owners believed he wasn’t get enough out of the talent at his disposal and Klopp has proved them right.

 

The charismatic German is a winner. Fans love his passion and he’s moulded the squad he inherited in his own image. Resilience, spirit, organisation and a sense of togetherness now shine through. He has improved and given belief to those who had previously under-achieved.

 

Klopp has already led Liverpool to a Wembley final, their first European semi-final for six years and equalled their biggest Merseyside derby win since 1982.

 

He’s completed a league double over Manchester City and got the better of Manchester United in the first European tie between the rivals. He has also overseen arguably the greatest European night in Anfield’s history with the fightback against Borussia Dortmund.

 

Always self-deprecating, he has played down his own role but supporters know. With Klopp, what you see is what you get. There is no front, no act for the cameras. He rants, he raves and he swears but he’s genuine.

 

A club which has only finished above sixth place once in the last six seasons was mighty lucky to get him. Top clubs across Europe will be looking at the Reds’ transformation and kicking themselves that they missed the boat.

 

For the first time since Benitez’s reign, Liverpool are once again a force to be reckoned with on the European stage.

 

Benitez’s bond with Kopites is unbreakable. He will always be welcomed back with open arms. Klopp has taken the fast-track to enjoying the same kind of adulation.