Does Rodgers deserve another season.

[Jairzinho]

Hindsight's a bitch isn't it!!

 

It isn't hindsight at all. It was exactly what I was, and I imagine many other people were, thinking at the time.

[Dicko]

Except Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal, do you mean? And Blackburn might even still scrape in that 20 year timeframe, too.

 

Oh, and us when we won the CL.

Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern.

[Dicko]

The only common knowledge is that Tony Evans has been peddling that story for a while and that he normally talks shite.

 

What is certain is we were trying to do a deal for Sturtidge on the last day of the window and di matteo said in the press conference before their super cup that Sturridge was going nowhere because they had no backup.

Bollocks, we spent the last day trying to sign Dempsey, the only reason Sturridge's name appeared was because FSG had leaked it.

[Major Tom]

Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern.

 

Indeed.

 

BM said 'every successful club in the last 20 years' has one. Which is quite clearly bullshit. PL clubs generally don't work with DoFs and do fine. And the one that has done recently, City, does really, really shit in both the CL and the transfer market. Hardly a great advert for a DoF.

 

It is not a guarantee of success. It's just the way clubs on the continent work. Some successfully, some not.

[Tony Moanero]

Molochs.

[Russ Atmosphere]

I thought Chelsea had Emanalo or someone, too lazy to google. Ferguson was by and large a DOF in later years too.

[Major Tom]

Jesus.

[Dr. J]

People are forgetting we were very lucky last season. 11 pens and a shitload of setpiece goals, Moyes' incompetence and no European football. That is like trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Even if we had kept Suarez and Sturridge fit, replicating last season's finish would have been almost impossible. We also scored early loads, which meant we didn't have to come from behind, a notorious Rodgers weakpoint.

 

 

In fact, we scored 36 goals from set pieces last year: 10 pens, 12 corners, 7 crossed free kicks, 6 direct free kicks and 1 throw in.

 

This year we have 9: 5 pens, 2 corners, 1 cfk and 1 dfk. What gives?

 

Suarez was greatly responsible for our achievements last year. If most of it was Rodgers, and the whole argument of this thread reduces to that, then why the massive drop-off in dead ball goals? Surely we have the same coaching, no?

[Russ Atmosphere]

Jesus.

Is that to me?

[Tony Moanero]

Is that to me?

Quim.

[Tony Moanero]

Jesus.

Quim.

[Tony Moanero]

Molochs.

Quim.

[JermainePennant]

Yes they are.

Sturridge could have been signed permanently in the summer before he arrived but Rodgers vetoed it and only wanted him on loan which Chelsea flatly refused. This was when he was chasing Dempsey after Carroll left. (Remember Henderson + £6m anyone) When he couldn't get him he threw a titty lip after the window and been shut complaining about not signing Dempsey. Only for the following day for FSG to leak that funds were available for Sturridge but not for Dempsey.

 

Rodgers later said there had been a miscommunication. As for Coutinho he may have wanted a number 10 but he never identified him.

How do you know he never identified Coutinho, Rodgers was working with young players for years and Coutinho was very well known.

 

On Sturridge as I've said he was not available for loan or sale at that time, go watch Di matteos press conference if anyone is in doubt.

[reece289]

Yes they are.

Sturridge could have been signed permanently in the summer before he arrived but Rodgers vetoed it and only wanted him on loan which Chelsea flatly refused. This was when he was chasing Dempsey after Carroll left. (Remember Henderson + £6m anyone) When he couldn't get him he threw a titty lip after the window and been shut complaining about not signing Dempsey. Only for the following day for FSG to leak that funds were available for Sturridge but not for Dempsey.

 

Rodgers later said there had been a miscommunication. As for Coutinho he may have wanted a number 10 but he never identified him.

Dempsey, Lambert, Benteke, Costa and Bony.

 

All mobile replacements types for Suarez,? Eh no.

 

These are the strikers that Brendan wanted, not mobile forwards that people are saying he wanted.

Balotelli, Lambert, Markovic and Lallana all scored more with other managers. Even Lovern.

 

People seem to forget that Brendan tried to play the same football as last year for three months without Suarez. What the fuck does that really say about him?

[Brigant Moloch]

Indeed.

 

BM said 'every successful club in the last 20 years' has one. Which is quite clearly bullshit. PL clubs generally don't work with DoFs and do fine. And the one that has done recently, City, does really, really shit in both the CL and the transfer market. Hardly a great advert for a DoF.

 

It is not a guarantee of success. It's just the way clubs on the continent work. Some successfully, some not.

 

you have no fucking clue what you're talking about lad.

 

Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, United, Chelsea, City - all work that way. Only Wenger has full autonomy, because he's earned it and he's brilliant at what he does. LFC also worked that way when winning CL. 

 

"I thought this country spawned the fucking football, and so far nobody here seems to have a clue"

[Major Tom]

you have no fucking clue what you're talking about lad.

 

Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, United, Chelsea, City - all work that way. Only Wenger has full autonomy, because he's earned it and he's brilliant at what he does. LFC also worked that way when winning CL. 

 

Who is Utd's director of football?

 

Who was our director of football when we won the CL?

[Dicko]

How do you know he never identified Coutinho, Rodgers was working with young players for years and Coutinho was very well known.

 

On Sturridge as I've said he was not available for loan or sale at that time, go watch Di matteos press conference if anyone is in doubt.

We could have signed him for £12m in the summer the money was there and Chelsea would have sold.

The reason being they lost £3.5m plus wages when it never happened because we bought him for £8.5m in January.

 

Economics rule football and it has for a long time.

Oh and quoting Di Matteo as evidence means nothing the man was paid to say anything Abramovich commanded.

[TheHowieLama]

We used to hit the woodwork all the time - good old days.

[JermainePennant]

We could have signed him for £12m in the summer the money was there and Chelsea would have sold.

The reason being they lost £3.5m plus wages when it never happened because we bought him for £8.5m in January.

 

Economics rule football and it has for a long time.

Oh and quoting Di Matteo as evidence means nothing the man was paid to say anything Abramovich commanded.

Ok then let's assume Tony Evans knows more then everyone else on this one occasion including the Chelsea manager, a club of Chelsea's size going in to a season with one striker would be understandable especially considering it was Torres who had such a great start there.

 

Either way Rodgers is the manager who has got performances out of the two and developed them, both have said how important it was for their career to have someone like Rodgers who showed belief in them.

[JermainePennant]

Mourinho just said going into this season there was a risk Chelsea could have finished out of the top 4 and his first target next season is securing it, talk about lowering expectations.

 

You guys are right though it's unacceptable for the team spending the 5th most to fall out of those places, that's what other teams will be thinking regarding Rodgers and he will probably end up managing in the championship.

[Brigant Moloch]

Who is Utd's director of football?

 

Who was our director of football when we won the CL?

 

- Hobson worked as someone like DOF in the past, along with Woodward, Gill, scouts and external analysts as transfer team/committee

 

- Herrera was the main man, worked with McParland and outside scouting companies, then Macia took over

[moof]

Can we stop making shit up please. Rodgers has spoken about being interested in Coutinho for a long time before we signed him. The narrative seems to be shit signings = Rodgers. Not so shit signings = committee.

 

A lot of people are also forgetting we lost 3 of our best 4 players from last season, plus Flanagan.

 

Gerrard, Suarez and Sturridge must've had about 65 goals between them never mind assists. What other manager has had to cope with loss like that? Obviously the recruitment has been very disappointing but please look at the bigger picture. Anyone would find it difficult losing 3 absolutely key players.

 

Where would Chelsea be if you took out Costa, Hazard and fabregas? And they don't even come close to the impact Suarez, Sturridhe and Gerrard had on our team.

[Major Tom]

- Hobson worked as someone like DOF in the past, along with Woodward, Gill, scouts and external analysts as transfer team/committee

 

- Herrera was the main man, worked with McParland and outside scouting companies, then Macia took over

 

David Gill was the director of football at Utd? Like fuck he was. He was the CEO.

 

Macia was a scout. As was McParland firstly who then joined the academy.

 

Next.

 

If your point is that the managers didn't have autonomy, well, Rodgers doesn't either.

 

Other than that I have no idea what your point is.

[moof]

It's like if Real Madrid lost Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema

[xerxes]

Mourinho just said going into this season there was a risk Chelsea could have finished out of the top 4 and his first target next season is securing it, talk about lowering expectations.

 

You guys are right though it's unacceptable for the team spending the 5th most to fall out of those places, that's what other teams will be thinking regarding Rodgers and he will probably end up managing in the championship.

Regarding Mourinho’s comments, I can’t see how declaring that your first target is to secure CL qualification, that is a minimum expectation, not an objective, is lowering expectations?

 

I think most on here see the equation of fifth highest wages versus fifth position. It is not a given, but an indicator.

 

As for where Rodgers career takes him beyond us, that is one he will have to manage carefully. In the recent past the likes of John Gregory and George Burley have had their moment in the sun, then crashed and burned. Brendan will have to balance a £12m wages iou on his contract, versus his longer term prospects.