Quantcast
Prometheus - Page 6 - GF - General Forum - The Liverpool Way Jump to content

Recommended Posts

So is it that:

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

The xenomorphs we all know and love are altered humans or incorporate human genetic material?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So is it that:

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

The xenomorphs we all know and love are altered humans or incorporate human genetic material?

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

I reckon the worm alien infests the humans and the first chestbursters are xenomorphs, as they take on the genetic material of the host, such as with the dog alien in Alien III.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

I reckon the worm alien infests the humans and the first chestbursters are xenomorphs, as they take on the genetic material of the host, such as with the dog alien in Alien III.

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

Don't forget this is pretty much the explanation of how the Space Jockey ended up on LV-426 in a crashed ship (found by Dallas, Kane and Lambert in the first film and Newts parents 50+ years later) with his chest bust open.

 

Either what killed the Space Jockey is the 1st gen (the queen from Aliens) or the 2nd gen that happens after the humans are infected. Either way I'd be suprised if the film didn't end with the queens gestation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

Don't forget this is pretty much the explanation of how the Space Jockey ended up on LV-426 in a crashed ship (found by Dallas, Kane and Lambert in the first film and Newts parents 50+ years later) with his chest bust open.

 

Either what killed the Space Jockey is the 1st gen (the queen from Aliens) or the 2nd gen that happens after the humans are infected. Either way I'd be suprised if the film didn't end with the queens gestation.

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

I read in the Total Film preview that the queen wasn't originally conceived as being part of the Xenomorph's gestation process, but was presumably added by Cameron in Aliens for the final showdown.

 

Scott has indicated he's going back to the original story of what Alien was, so I think this will tie things up neatly. I think the xenomorph eggs in Alien are from the crew of the Prometheus, the first of their kind, and for some reason the space jockey was trying to get rid of them. If the last few minutes do feature Xenomorphs, then I imagine it actually centres around the crash itself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can't be, the predators are hunting aliens already as seen in Predator 2, as present by the alien skull on the Predator ship. Set yonks before Prometheus.

 

(unless Ridley chooses to ignore this of course. Can't blame him if he does).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

heh, I think it's safe to say Scott will be ignoring all that bollocks.

 

I remember watching the making of Gladiator, some bloke always stands out in my mind. Crowe kept asking if he could do this and do that, and he had this posh English helper bloke who'd have to ask Scott. Scott would just nod, he couldn't even be arsed opening his mouth.

 

"Okay? Okay Ridley? Yep, Ridley says okay."

 

Legend.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
heh, I think it's safe to say Scott will be ignoring all that bollocks.

 

I remember watching the making of Gladiator, some bloke always stands out in my mind. Crowe kept asking if he could do this and do that, and he had this posh English helper bloke who'd have to ask Scott. Scott would just nod, he couldn't even be arsed opening his mouth.

 

"Okay? Okay Ridley? Yep, Ridley says okay."

 

Legend.

 

I think the technical term is a bitch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Can't beat a bit of Gary Busey though!

 

The Lions, the Tigers, the Bears. Oh my!

 

Anyway back on topic....

 

I read in the Total Film preview that the queen wasn't originally conceived as being part of the Xenomorph's gestation process, but was presumably added by Cameron in Aliens for the final showdown.

 

 

True, Cameron introduced the Queen because he realised that there was something missing from the Alien creatures life cycle...egg >> facehugger >> adult form. Where did the eggs come from?

He hypothesised a "hive" culture which required a queen type creature. This also gave him his big set piece ending for the film.

 

I think the crux here is that Giger and Scott didn't really think about it that much as it wasn't important to their story in ALIEN. They didn't make a fuss about Cameron adding to the mythology and would be a bit churlish for Scott to just bin the whole concept I think.

 

Anyway, if this story is about the creation of the xenomorphs, it is completely possible that how they would evolve naturally outside controlled conditions, could not have been forseen by the Spacejockeys. In order to survive, one of the creatures would have somehow adapted to lay eggs and so begin the life cycle.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
True, Cameron introduced the Queen because he realised that there was something missing from the Alien creatures life cycle...egg >> facehugger >> adult form. Where did the eggs come from?

He hypothesised a "hive" culture which required a queen type creature. This also gave him his big set piece ending for the film.

 

I think the crux here is that Giger and Scott didn't really think about it that much as it wasn't important to their story in ALIEN. They didn't make a fuss about Cameron adding to the mythology and would be a bit churlish for Scott to just bin the whole concept I think.

 

They did think about it though, there is a famous deleted scene from Alien where Ripley stumbles upon Dallas and Brett, cocooned into a wall and mutating into an egg, the inference obviously being that the Alien has the ability to somehow genetically mutate its victims as part of the reproductive cycle.

 

[YOUTUBE]dS5MtzrW1vU[/YOUTUBE]

 

Of course this being a deleted scene Cameon claims he wasn't aware of it, but I'm not so sure given the similarities between this scene and the scene in Aliens where the cocooned colonist begs to be killed.

 

Personally I much prefer the egg morphing concept to the hive / Queen, as the latter basically turns the Alien from 'the perfect organism' into cannon fodder for a 'bug hunt'.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As for this film explaining the origins of the Alien, it may well do, but only as a tiny part of the story - we keep being told this explores larger issues and is a 'new, grand mythology'. Also, it would appear that the Alien (I hate the term 'xenomorph') already exists prior to this film, as a mural / carving is in the trailer -

 

new-prometheus-trailer-2.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah good points ChrisM. Maybe both types of egg production are possible. Until a "queen" creature is hatched, the egg morphing could be a longer stop-gap method?

 

I know what you mean about Xenomorph. I think that came from the comic series in lieu of anything definitive?

 

Hopefully Prometheus will give us a proper name.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I like this theory…

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

From a Prometheus forum...."here's my approach, which nobody seems to have thought of yet:

 

whoever the SJ are have been killed on their planet, save for one, by something- maybe a the indigenous life on the planet. They've been carrying biological weapons on their ship, which were closed off. Prometheus lands, explores the ship, accidentally releases the biological agent, infecting themselves in the process. The engineer has already tried to prevent the humans from opening the biological agent, and is attempting to sterilize-- wipe them out after they have infected themselves, the agent melds with the already hideous animals of the planet. and kills the engineer, the rest of the crew, etc. It explains just aobut everything-- the engineer getting chest-bursted, Weyland-Yutani already knowing about Z2R and there being alien life forms in the first movie, and keeps the origins of the xenomorph masked enough that you wouldn't have to actually see a xenomorph, just their primitive cousins-- the "DNA" if you will take Scott's analogy literally.

 

Can't explain the bit about earth yet"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's my theory...

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

Personally I think the Prometheus crew go looking for whatever's on the end of that star map and discover the space jockey's had something to do with mankind's origin. They then take something (possibly something to do with the aliens) they're not supposed to from the space jockey's which incurs their wrath and the space jockey's set out to punish us for this act i.e. attacking earth with a biological weapon. After all the ship and film is named after the dude who stole fire from the gods, I think that dovetails nicely.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not sure why I'm putting this in a spoiler since it's just idle speculation but oh well

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

I like the plot device of humans having been "created" by some outside intelligence (2001 comes to mind), I wonder if it's possible that humans and aliens are found to have been created by the same intelligence.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Here's my theory...

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

Personally I think the Prometheus crew go looking for whatever's on the end of that star map and discover the space jockey's had something to do with mankind's origin. They then take something (possibly something to do with the aliens) they're not supposed to from the space jockey's which incurs their wrath and the space jockey's set out to punish us for this act i.e. attacking earth with a biological weapon. After all the ship and film is named after the dude who stole fire from the gods, I think that dovetails nicely.

 

That's what the script suggests, or the versions floating around the net anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

my take on it

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

Seems to me that these cave paintings are left by god/the creator (an alien race that spawns civilizations wily nily.

they are a map back to the creators house inviting all the civilizations to turn up when they have the technology to reach the destination.

each civilization would then reach the destination and they would be wiped out as they have become advanced enough to reach the creator and as a result could soon challenge the creator race/ other races on planets.

this would explain the prometheus part as the punishment would only come when a civilization becomes to advanced.

so they have a race back to earth before its blown to smithereens

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Booking IMAX tickets for a group of us tomorrow. Earliest our days all tie together is the 16h June.

 

Fucks sake!!! That's 15days after release day.

 

15 DAYS!!!!!!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Available Subscriptions

  • Last Match Report

  • Latest Posts

    • Despite the halt to the Premier League season, transfer rumours never stop and the latest snippet of news regards another left-back being linked to the Reds.

      Football 365 (via Spanish publication Sport) reports that PSG star Layvin Kurzawa is on the radar of Liverpool as they search for specialised cover for Andy Robertson.

      The evergreen James Milner has deputised many times in the role during the tenure of Jürgen Klopp, but in doing so, it takes away some of the strengths he offers in the middle of the pitch.

      Youngsters Yasser Larouci and Adam Lewis have made appearances in domestic cup and pre-season games, but they are both viewed as options for the long term.

      Kurzawa was strongly linked to Arsenal during the January transfer but he stayed put at the French champions with manager Thomas Tuchel very keen to keep hold of him.  

      The 27 year-old has a deal of experience in a domestic sense having also played for Monaco, in European competition for PSG and also on the international stage where he has won 13 caps for France. 

      He also brings a winning pedigree to the table having been part of three title-winning squads with PSG as well as a number of domestic cups.

      With his contract ending in the summer, Liverpool will be able to sign Kurzawa on a free transfer.

      In terms of his strengths, Kurzawa looks to have a nice blend between attacking and a defensive sense.

      In possession, he tries to drive forward with the ball, a trait highlighted by his 1.47 progressive runs up the pitch per 90 minutes this season.

      He likes the ball at his feet with Kurzawa where he has averaged 2.8 dribbles per 90 minutes with a success rate of 56%, and has a pass success rate of 87% during 2019/20.

      Despite being comfortable in possession, Kurzawa is not a playmaking full-back in the way that Robbo and Trent are, although to be honest, not many are in the modern Football landscape.

      An area where Kurzawa could struggle in a Jürgen Klopp side is his defensive positioning and concentration.

      This is along with a lack of confidence in his own ability which many close observers believe is a key reason that he has been in and out of the PSG side this season. 

      That last part makes him sound like a Alberto Moreno clone, but in truth we are not looking for a world beater in this position, just a player that can give Andy Robbo a breather every now and then.

      With that all said, being able to sign Kurzawa could be a pretty savvy move.
      View full article
    • That article just sounds like 'shit we need to write sonething'. Teams will know this isn't a proper training camp and just a necessity to get the season complete, the TV companies off their back and get the players paid again.    Brighton 'intense schedule' fuck off its 9 games over 4 to 6 weeks. You could wrap it up in 3/4 weeks if you had to and it would be no more intense than our schedule over Dec-Jan the last few years. We played 12 games in 37 days this year, yet Brighton are moaning at playing 9 in between 28 and 42 days     Think Brighton might be more on the let's void the season being 2pts outside the relegation zone
    • Coronavirus: Premier League plan to restart season branded unworkable as clubs eye solution   Plans to put players under lockdown for a month to get the season finished have been branded unworkable – because clubs are too picky. The hotel quarantine plan is one idea mooted for Friday's next round of talks between the Premier League, EFL, Football Association and the Professional Footballers’ Association.     In a bid to conclude the season, one proposal is to squeeze remaining games into a condensed time frame in June, behind-closed-doors, with players kept in isolation to protect them from the risk of contracting coronavirus. Stadiums, hotels and training facilities would undergo a “deep clean”, with the players under strict quarantine, to enable the season to be completed by mid-July.   But Christian Machowski, whose company ESEM specialises in travel management for top clubs across Europe, believes the plan is unrealistic, because of the particular demands of the elite teams when it comes to hotels and training facilities.   “There are so many factors that come into play," said Machowski. “When clubs are looking to book hotels, one of the chief issues is what is an acceptable time to drive to a stadium? "Teams don't want to be stuck on a bus for 45 minutes to an hour, travelling to a game. “Everybody wants the best for their team, but there's only a small number of elite hotels that are suitable. “For example, there are two or three hotels in London where all the teams tend to stay when they play there. “To find a venue where 20 teams can find facilities up to the required standard is just not workable."   “In terms of training facilities, teams would also want to be as a close as possible, so that would present problems. “Then you would have to quarantine the same hotel staff for three or four weeks. “And if one team picked up an infection, whether it's a player or member of staff, that's the end of the tournament.   “It's not about teams staying in luxury, it's complicated because the infrastructure is so finely tuned for clubs in terms of what they need.”   Brighton have voiced their opposition to the proposal for a single-city Premier League finale. Officials at the club have major reservations due to concerns over hotel accommodation, the number of pitches required and the intense fixture schedule.   Chief executive Paul Barber also has concerns about even discussing a return to football while the coronavirus casualty rate around the country soars. “As creative as we want to be, people are losing their lives,” said Barber. “This is a serious, serious situation. We're totally driven towards completing the season but, at the moment, it is tough to talk about it.”   Machowski, whose company has handled almost 500 European games and training camps for top clubs over the past 24 years, reckons the number of teams involved also makes the plan impossible to pull off.   “You could maybe get away with it in the Champions League, for example, with a mini-tournament, because you're dealing with fewer teams,” said Machowski.   “But here you're talking about 20 teams and there's so much at stake. It's not like a pre-season tournament where there's a trophy at the end. “This is about titles, about relegation, qualification for the Champions League and Europa League, so no-one should be able to complain that they missed out because maybe the hotel, training facilities, travel or food wasn't right. “So it's not really workable, for so many different reasons.”   https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/coronavirus-premier-league-plan-restart-21789901
  • Latest Round Up

  • Popular Contributors

  • Football Betting Site Betway
  • Online Bingo
×