The New Star Wars Films

[Numero Veinticinco]

‘‘Twas excellent

[Numero Veinticinco]

Kermode liked it too:

 

[Scott_M]

I’ll post something more substantial later but apart from Leia and that horse riding bit, I thought it was really good.

 

I came out feeling more Rogue 1 than TFA though.

 

Reading some of these posts, I do wonder how much people actually paid attention to it or listened to the dialogue as there is some stuff, which is plainly wrong (not in my opinion wrong, fundamentally wrong to what actually happened in the film) being spouted.

[The Guest]

I think Kermode liking it sums up my feelings on it. I love Kermode and his radio show with Mayo. I haven’t listened to his review on it yet but I’m not shocked to hear he likes it at all. He’s not a Star Wars fan. He said he only really understood what it meant to people when he sat down to watch the force awakens. In terms of sitting there enjoying the last Jedi as a stand-alone film it’s fine. I did myself and I reckon that’s what he’s judging it on because he’s not as invested.

 

The force awakens did it’s job better. It introduced the new characters fairly well. It changed the feel of the film back to the original trilogy and away from the prequels. It clearly had to put Han Solo’s death in under orders from Ford. As much as I didn’t like what they did it was better than him refusing to be in it. The bad guys weren’t done very well though and it’s not a particularly rewatchable film. I enjoyed Star Wars being back as most did so it got leeway.

 

The last Jedi though does not. It honestly feels like they’ve given the writing and production of the film not just to non fans but people who have never watched or understood a Star Wars film before and they’ve produced this complete mess. I’ve been relatively kind so far but the more I think about it the worse it is. I keep seeing people saying you can’t expect it to be the same as the others. I don’t think anything like that at all. I wanted to have some coherent story line where I hate the bad guys and like the good guys with good guys back on top because they fucking trounced the bad guys. I just didn’t give a shite because the characters were given no depth in place of loads of pointless shite subplots.

 

How somebody can watch the original trilogy and then put in the script that Luke contemplating killing his child nephew because he was drifting to the dark side is beyond laughable. This is the man who refused to kill Vader. The yoda scenes are an abomination. Honestly the more I think about it the more shit ideas and parts of the film come back to me. I absolutely love Star Wars and hoped this day would never come. People slag off the prequel trilogy but over time this will go down as the worst Star Wars film simply because the plot is just so fucking bad. Somebody needs to get a grip of the terrible comedy they put in it as well. I don’t want to see that again. It’s not Star Wars.

[Guest Alex_K]

As above.

[Redder Lurtz]

Really enjoyed it but can someone tell me how Rae got off the ship after the scrap over Luke's lightsabre?

[Brownie]

I’ll post something more substantial later but apart from Leia and that horse riding bit, I thought it was really good.

 

I came out feeling more Rogue 1 than TFA though.

 

Reading some of these posts, I do wonder how much people actually paid attention to it or listened to the dialogue as there is some stuff, which is plainly wrong (not in my opinion wrong, fundamentally wrong to what actually happened in the film) being spouted.

Haha.

[Special K]

It was awful. As has already been mentioned, it's prequel level bad

 

Overlong, nonsensical and pointless. Can't go into our too much without going into massive spoilers but I really didn't enjoy it

[Redder Lurtz]

It was awful. As has already been mentioned, it's prequel level bad

 

Overlong, nonsensical and pointless. Can't go into our too much without going into massive spoilers but I really didn't enjoy it

 

Well it seems a bit marmite, especially on here where people are, as usual, especially cynical. But fuck me, whatever you think of it it's hardly Phantom Menace mate.

[Scott_M]

Really enjoyed it but can someone tell me how Rae got off the ship after the scrap over Luke's lightsabre?

She got away in Snoke’s escape pod - Hux told Kylo Ren when he came round.

[Numero Veinticinco]

What I hear from friends, reviewers, people on websites, youtubers, podcasts, imdb 8.1, RT 9.4, GU 84%, and my own eyes: amazing.

 

What I hear from TLW: shit.

 

The fuck?

[Redder Lurtz]

She got away in Snoke’s escape pod - Hux told Kylo Ren when he came round.

Yeah I got that. Just wondered if I'd blinked and missed something. Escaping from that situation seems like kind of a big deal to just gloss over.

[Redder Lurtz]

What I hear from friends, reviewers, people on websites, youtubers, podcasts, imdb 8.1, RT 9.4, GU 84%, and my own eyes: amazing.

 

What I hear from TLW: shit.

 

The fuck?

Always the same on here mate, you know that. Chip pisser central this place at times.

[Dicko]

Unmitigated shite.

Mark Hamill was right to be concerned.

 

It's Star Wars not some cheap Marvel spin off.

 

Disney need to fuck Rian Johnson right off the shit cunt.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Always the same on here mate, you know that. Chip pisser central this place at times.

Yeah, that’s true. I experienced some of that with GoT. Each to his own, of course. I’m just surprised at just how negative a lot of people on here are about it in comparison to most others. That’s not to say anybody is wrong, but it’s a strange phenomenon to see it happen in such a black and white way.

[Dicko]

Oh and some of the CGI was absolutely horrendous, especially on the Casino Planet.

[KMD7]

I'm hoping to watch it with a couple of mates on Wednesday.  Can't wait.

[Red74]

Always the same on here mate, you know that. Chip pisser central this place at times.

I take it you’ve read the fan reviews on IMDb and RT then. There’s a lot of 9 out of 10 ratings that look very suspicious. Every official reviewer rates it as the greatest movie ever while the man in the street all say it's terrible.

[RedKnight]

So you're implying all the reviewers have been paid off?

[Boss]

Not all the reviewers obviously but it wouldn't be hard for a company as big as Disney to fund a spam operation in the first few days of release to flood positive reviews on all the main review sites.

[RedKnight]

I dunno, why would they do that? They never bothered with any Marvel, Pixar and Pirate of the Caribbean movies, and the Good Dinosaur, Cars 3 and most of the Pirate movies are not good.

 

I really think a lot of the bad reaction is a result of the film not being what people were expecting in terms of plot and story direction.

[Hades]

Because new Star Wars are dreadful, boring films and just because people enjoy eating shit sandwiches doesn't mean we all do. 

[Special K]

Well it seems a bit marmite, especially on here where people are, as usual, especially cynical. But fuck me, whatever you think of it it's hardly Phantom Menace mate.

That whole casino scene and 'isn't animal cruelty bad?' was straight out of Attack of the Clones

 

The film had moments of brilliance but only moments. You could easily cut an hour out and you wouldn't have missed anything

 

There's zero character development and nothing from TFA is built on.

 

As you can see, I'm still angry about it this morning!! I should really get a life.

[RedKnight]

Because new Star Wars are dreadful, boring films and just because people enjoy eating shit sandwiches doesn't mean we all do. 

 

Take a day off.

[Red74]

I dunno, why would they do that? They never bothered with any Marvel, Pixar and Pirate of the Caribbean movies, and the Good Dinosaur, Cars 3 and most of the Pirate movies are not good.

 

I really think a lot of the bad reaction is a result of the film not being what people were expecting in terms of plot and story direction.

Star Wars is a different level to those films you mention. The money and reputation invested in these Star Wars films is incredible and there is no way a behometh like Disney is letting bad reviews out for this. Critics will say anything to stay on board for this at his time. This films current ratings will not age well by the time the dvd is out.

 

The more I look back on the trailers, I’m convinced they realised they’ve messed this up and we’re softneing the blow by going full on with the ‘different direction’ he’s taking the film. After the rewrites for rogue 1 (which I thought was awful) and the sackings from the Han Solo directors and Treverrow getting the boot for ep9 (which I can now understand his concerns when he was saying he didn’t know where to take the script now) there was no way they were getting someone else in this late.

 

Johnson won’t get near another Star Wars movie after this, let alone the new trilogy the said he wasn’t gonna get.