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Just seen the guardian headline on reparations. Honestly I've no idea where I stand on that issue. I'm not educated enough on the subject matter. Human history is one long line of the abuses of power. Every race has been on both sides of the coin the biggest disgrace of all being the legal slavery of black people so close to modern times. You compensate one issue for want of a better word and there's a million more atrocities created by those who could so did. Yet it feels just ignoring it isn't the right thing to do. I think Rich countries should be elevating poorer countries regardless of historical abuses. Shit show species.

In many ways the worst aspect of slavery was being asked to play a rudimentary pastime for hundreds of thousands of pounds a week. It's about time we faced up to our history.

Shameful. Modern slavery laws won’t apply to people who’ve entered the country ‘illegally’ - so in effect the government has just effectively legalised certain cases of slavery. Also, if anything it probably also encourages traffickers as much as it will deter migrants. I really want this to be the drain that’s being circled before this ideology is booted right in the cunt and fucked off into the bin, but there’s probably new depths to plumb isn’t there? Fucking hell, parliament today was like a scene out of the pre-Kristallnacht Reichstag.

And Andrew Pierce has the answer: slavery.

We are the cruelest, expecting actual compensation for letting him go. This is nothing short of slavery. Fuck off you Saudi cunts. https://www.football365.com/news/liverpool-ruin-henderson-dream-gerrard-floundering-chelsea-demand

Two books and two lecture series in and I'm fine with the standard version. What struck me this time was the importance of trade throughout the entire process, in almost every region, as a practical necessity, as a stabilizing factor, and in the transference of knowledge and technology. The other thing was the lack of information on slavery: they all mentioned it in passing, but none them dealt with it head on: when it became widespread (if it did), where, why, etc.

Insane isn't it? Who said slavery was dead eh.

By and large, the Western World has rid itself of slavery and is more inclusive and tolerant of religions and sexuality. It's 2022, the world has become much more tolerant in the past 25 or so years. We are far beyond abolishing slavery in the mid-1800's, woman voting in 1918, 1920's Prohibition, 1940's of persecuting certain religions, legalising homosexuality in the 1960's.... even more modern travesties, like apartheid, we're abolished >30 years ago. I appreciate that Qatar is it's own country, and whether I / we agree with them or not, it has it own values. IMO, the point is the World Cup, which is represented by countries, race, religion, likely sexuality, from all over the world, approaching it's century of tournaments, shouldn't be being played in a country that doesn't welcome everybody regardless.

I went on another of Laurence Westgaph's excellent walking tours, focusing on Liverpool's slavery history. Definitely recommended. You think you already know stuff, but the extent to which the Transatlantic slave trade - and all the subsequent trade that depended on slavery - runs through the history of our city, even to today, is far more than you'd realise. It's no surprise to learn that the city's ruling class were solidly on the side of the slave states during the American Civil War. The Confederate cannons which fired the first shots of the war at Fort Sumter came from an iron foundry just off Duke Street. (The site is now a residential block called The Foundry.) The final action of the war was the surrender of the CSS Shenandoah, which sailed around the world to get to the Mersey, rather than surrender to the Yankees. The captain and crew were feted by Liverpool's civic leaders. It's tempting to say "That was then, but this is now". Generally speaking, the city's relationship with the slave trade (and the slave economy) splits into three periods: a time when the city was proud of the wealth and prestige it brought; a time (say, from the early 20th Century) when we went to lengths not to talk about it; and a more modern age (say, from the opening of the slavery gallery at the maritime museum) when we're acknowledging it for the evil that it was and finding ways to come to terms with it. This last process isn't as far advanced as we'd like to think. We still have a tendency to celebrate Liverpool's links with abolitionism and gloss over the centuries in which the city boomed due to human misery. As recently as 2015, Mike Storey headed the official welcome party for the Sons of Confederate Veterans (a group with strong ties to white supremacists) and a plaque was unveiled, honouring the "courageous" crew of the Shenandoah. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/08/world/liverpool-confederate-links-intl-cnnphotos/ https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/blockade-busting-arms-supplies-surprising-20394350

Somebody mentioned slavery in a vegetarian thread.

You're missing the fact that Fuge is an idiot/troll/both (delete as appropriate). And that nobody is discussing slavery (although Fuge did try to shoehorn evolution in here, for some reason).

I came to this thread this morning and the discussion was tofu. I come this evening and its slavery.

You do know how analogies work, don't you? The slavery bit isn't supposed to be the relevant bit: it's an illustration of how flawed your logic (assuming that you thought your evolution comment was relevant) is.

About as relevant as a slavery analogy in a vegetarian thread!!!

Shoehorning slavery into it now.

Maybe; maybe not. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/human-evolution-meat Either way, it's not an argument to continue to eat meat now, any more than the fact that we continue to benefit from things (like many banks, insurance companies hospitals, universities, etc) that owe their existence to slavery is an argument to continue trading slaves.

The Slavery Act was passed back in 1833. He wanted to go. Same as Mane did. I really don't get this idea that a club these days can just order a player to stay, when they are determined to leave, and hold on to them indefinitely and also get great performances from them. And yet it's always 'We made a mistake letting them go'. No we didn't.

Ever seen the documentary "13th"? It's a bit of an eye-opener (at least it was for me) about how the prison system has been used to continue slavery.

Thats a very good comparison. That flag and the Stars and Stripes. Who gave the confederate flag the negative image? It surely was not the Southern States who use it as a flag of Independence and would not want it seen as pro slavery and white power. I suppose when the nutters start flying it, like the UJ SG Cross they take ownership.

I don’t follow this line of reasoning that says drag has been around for centuries so that makes it alright. Presumably lynching and slavery are also ok ? Female emancipation is a relatively recent phenomenon so it’s no surprise that the old means of cultural oppression are now coming under scrutiny. To my mind, drag acts are offensive. They are caricaturing and exaggerating female sexuality, appearance and mannerisms in a spiteful manner that is degrading to women and full of hate. Real women like your wife, daughter, mum don’t look or behave like drag acts, it’s a personification of suppressed male fear of female sexuality. This is why drag acts often have overtly sexual names and base their act on women being either overly promiscuous (Lilly Savage) or sexually repressed ((Les Dawson). There’s no celebration of women’s achievements in a drag act just men punching down on an historically oppressed group who have only recently achieved equality. I’m amazed that apparently liberal people can’t see it.

This load of shit below you just invented to try and help you 'win the internet' today. It's an offensive, racist word. So fucking what if it gets removed from a fictional spy novel. It literally doesn't impact anyone by being removed. Just an excuse for the anti-woke brigade to get their shitty knickers in a twist. "So - lets say you win on the internet today - we remove the N word from an obscure book in an instance where no one ( it's fiction) is actaully called that. The flip side is the banning of complete books about slavery, about the gay rights movement etc."

So, um, no one is fuming. Pointing out censorship is inherently dangerous is not fuming. So - lets say you win on the internet today - we remove the N word from an obscure book in an instance where no one ( it's fiction) is actaully called that. The flip side is the banning of complete books about slavery, about the gay rights movement etc. You do get that yea?

So, apart from numerous organisations devoted to human trafficking, media, and pretty much every international and local law enforcement agency seeing it as a major issue, not to mention high profile films, TV series and documentaries, and the Citizen's Advice Bureau, where is the modern movement to remove human traffiking... A sample. https://www.modernslaveryhelpline.org/about/the-problem/human-trafficking https://www.crs.org/stories/stop-human-trafficking https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/human-trafficking/#:~:text=Human trafficking is the process,for financial or personal gain. https://www.stopthetraffik.org/about-human-trafficking/the-scale-of-human-trafficking/ https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/trafficking/report-human-trafficking/ https://humantraffickinghotline.org/what-human-trafficking https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2020/05/11/the-hidden-victims-of-covid19-human-trafficking-and-modern-day-slavery/ https://www.theguardian.com/law/human-trafficking https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/people-trafficking https://www.telegraph.co.uk/human-trafficking/ https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/human-trafficking https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/modern-slavery-and-human-trafficking https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Human-trafficking/ https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/human-trafficking https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/human-trafficking-smuggling-and-slavery https://www.merseyside.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ms/modern-slavery/ https://www.cambs.police.uk/information-and-services/Modern-slavery/Trafficking https://www.scotland.police.uk/keep-safe/advice-for-victims-of-crime/human-trafficking/potential-signs-of-human-trafficking/

It's really not nonsense. It doesn't take a luminary to a. Understand that slavery is categorically different from "normal" low pay/poor conditions exploitation. b. Understand that the best way to protect migrant workers from slavery is to give them the legal right to work (and thereby give them full protection of the law). Nobody who knows about modern slavery agrees with your unfounded assertion that giving citizenship rights to migrant workers makes it worse.

Here's the thing with modern slavery - you get rid of it by giving workers more rights, more support in defending those rights and greater enforcement of laws against those who would infringe those rights. Brexit reduces workers' rights. One of the main weapons used by bastards who keep people in slavery is the threat of the law: if the victim has no legal rights to work in the UK, the threat of deportation can be used to exploit them. One of the main selling points of the Brexit vote in 2016 is that millions of workers will be stripped of the right to work legally in the UK: the obvious consequences for slavery weren't mentioned. https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/ How do people get trapped in slavery? Vulnerable people often take big risks in order to provide for their families. Typically, they can be offered an apparently good job in the UK. Often they take a loan from the traffickers in advance. When they arrive in the UK, the situation is completely different. Their passport might be taken away and they’re told they need to pay off the debt before they can leave. Violence and threats are common. They are trapped here with no possessions, no means to return and totally reliant on their traffickers. Vulnerable British people are also targeted, especially children from disadvantaged backgrounds, to be groomed into drug criminal gangs in so-called ’county lines’ trafficking. Sadly, the system in the UK is not currently set up to support people who became entangled in exploitation. The UK’s hostile immigration environment means people trafficked from abroad are often treated as immigration offenders. Cuts to public services hamper efforts to prevent exploitation and limit resources to investigate trafficking cases.