Margaret Thatcher

[Red22]

Am probably gonna get murdered for this but...

 

Have just watched the documentary 'Thatcher: The Downing Years' and was very impressed by her:

She had free market ideals which have turned out to be correct (as China are currently realising).

We moved from unions strangling development to a free society where entrepreneurs are encouraged.

Played a big part in ending the Cold War etc.

 

Why do people hate her so much (Hillsborough aside)? Can't people see what a positive difference she made?

[Lee909]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

How old are you?

[Red22]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

How old are you?

 

Probably older than you based on your response. Certainly more mature.

[Champ]

Bit bored, Red22?

[Lee909]

Probably older than you based on your response. Certainly more mature.

 

Certainly taking the piss then

I'll leave you too it.

 

She was a fucking vile cunt who destroyed the country.My guess is your bored and on the wind up.

[Red22]

Bit bored, Red22?

 

Little bit. Don't normally watch anything to do with British politics but was really impressed by her in this documentary. As were other foreign leaders and was good to hear the opinions of Reagan etc.

[Stu Monty]

The Neoliberal Capitalism that she and her buddies promoted didn't "turn out to be correct" it failed cataclysmically and needed to be bailed out by having it's massive, system destroying losses, socialised.

 

You may also want to investigate her relationships with Pinochet and the Khmer Rouge.

[Red22]

Certainly taking the piss then

I'll leave you too it.

 

She was a fucking vile cunt who destroyed the country.My guess is your bored and on the wind up.

 

How did she destroy the country?

[zigackly]

 

Negged.

[Red22]

The Neoliberal Capitalism that she and her buddies promoted didn't "turn out to be correct" it failed cataclysmically and needed to be bailed out by having it's massive, system destroying losses, socialised.

 

You may also want to investigate her relationships with Pinochet and the Khmer Rouge.

 

There was never any need to socialise those losses. Am Irish and still can't get my head around how three fucking morons decided to nationalise private sector banking debt at 3am in the morning. Just because of a bit of EU pressure and a potential corporate bond default.

 

Boom and bust is all part of capitalism. It's human nature. Are you a communist?

[Red22]

 

Negged.

 

You're a moron. I don't care about this neg / rep thing you seem to value so highly. If you have a point to make then make it. But I doubt you have the intelligence to do that without resorting to petty innuendo.

[zigackly]

You're a moron. I don't care about this neg / rep thing you seem to value so highly. If you have a point to make then make it. But I doubt you have the intelligence to do that without resorting to petty innuendo.

 

You are easy meat fella. Go-on, make me chuckle again.

[Lee909]

She destroyed all sense of community.

The only people that did well were the middle and upper classes.Her relationships with Pinochet,Pol Pot.

 

Plenty of threads on here before

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/gf-general-forum/75829-great-thatcher-article-new-statesman.html

 

From 'terrorist' to tea with the Queen

 

Nelson Mandela: Once vilified by the Government, he will be acclaimed as a hero this week

 

ANTHONY BEVINS POLITICAL EDITOR AND MICHAEL STREETER TUESDAY 09 JULY 1996

 

 

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Nelson Mandela

'This hero worship is very much misplaced'- John Carlisle MP, on the BBC screening of the Free Nelson Mandela concert in 1990

'The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land' - Margaret Thatcher, 1987

 

'How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?' - Terry Dicks MP, mid-1980s

 

'Nelson Mandela should be shot' - Teddy Taylor MP, mid-1980s

 

The fuss that Parliament is to make over Nelson Mandela this week will mark a stark contrast with the 20-year Commons silence that followed his imprisonment in 1962.

 

On Thursday, the President of South Africa is to be accorded the rare honour of addressing both Houses of Parliament in Westminster Hall, when ministers, MPs and peers will gather to pay homage to a world statesman.

 

But an Independent survey of Commons Hansard records suggests that even in the immediate aftermath of his imprison- ment, Mr Mandela's name was not uttered in the chamber.

 

Hansard Indices, which cover speeches, statements and oral questions and answers in the Commons, as well as written questions and answers, suggest that the first time Nelson Mandela's name was mentioned in the House was on 9 March 1983, in a question from Labour MP Ken Eastham.

 

In his autobiography, Conflict of Loyalty, former foreign secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe says that even as late as October 1987, at a press conference following the Commonwealth Heads of Government Conference in Vancouver, Mrs Thatcher was quick to dismiss the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation". Sir Geoffrey added sadly: "Absolutism still held sway."

 

But Mrs Thatcher was expressing a common view on the right of the Tory party.

 

In the mid-Eighties, Conservative backbench MP Teddy Taylor said: "Nelson Mandela should be shot" - though he later claimed it was meant jokingly. "Unfortunately, I do still regard him as an ex-terrorist," he said two years ago.

 

In 1990, when Mr Mandela declined to meet Mrs Thatcher on a trip to London, Conservative MP Terry Dicks asked: "How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?"

 

John Carlisle, Tory MP for Luton North, was furious at the BBC's screening of the 1990 Mandela concert in London. "The BBC have just gone bananas over this and seem to be joining those who are making Mandela out to be a Christ-like figure," Mr Carlisle said.

 

"Many will remember his record and the record of his wife as they take the podium. This hero worship is misplaced."

 

That same year, another Tory MP, Andrew Hunter, now chairman of the Conservative backbench committee on Northern Ireland, called for an investigation into alleged secret links between Mr Mandela's African National Congress and the IRA.

 

Labour frontbencher Brian Wilson yesterday challenged John Bercow, Conservative parliamentary candidate for Buckingham and former political adviser to Virginia Bottomley, the Secretary of State for National Heritage, to offer regret for the abuse that had been heaped on Mr Mandela by the Federation of Conservative Students when he was its chairman.

 

He said FCS conferences had been littered with slogans like "Hang Nelson Mandela", and Mr Wilson added: "Mr Bercow must now make it clear that he deeply regrets the behaviour of FCS members.

 

"Silence would only show that we've still got the same old Tories with the same old story of intolerance and bigotry."

 

 

[YOUTUBE]QrW79iye1kA[/YOUTUBE]

[Red22]

You are easy meat fella. Go-on, make me chuckle again.

 

Like I said you're a moron. Neg away if it makes you fell better about yourself. I don't read any of that but go for it if it might help alleviate your sense of self loathing.

[L19red]

You're a moron. I don't care about this neg / rep thing you seem to value so highly. If you have a point to make then make it. But I doubt you have the intelligence to do that without resorting to petty innuendo.

 

If you want a debate then dont be so fucking sanctimonious. You know full well she is a hate figure yet come on here praising her and then start trying to take the moral high ground because you've been insulted. You are an obvious fucking troll, now piss off.

[Stu Monty]

There was never any need to socialise those losses. Am Irish and still can't get my head around how three fucking morons decided to nationalise private sector banking debt at 3am in the morning. Just because of a bit of EU pressure and a potential corporate bond default.

 

Boom and bust is all part of capitalism. It's human nature. Are you a communist?

 

I'll not waste my time. Crack on talking utter drivel if you want, I'll not be listening.

[Red22]

She destroyed all sense of community.

The only people that did well were the middle and upper classes.Her relationships with Pinochet,Pol Pot.

 

Plenty of threads on here before

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/gf-general-forum/75829-great-thatcher-article-new-statesman.html

 

From 'terrorist' to tea with the Queen

 

Nelson Mandela: Once vilified by the Government, he will be acclaimed as a hero this week

 

ANTHONY BEVINS POLITICAL EDITOR AND MICHAEL STREETER TUESDAY 09 JULY 1996

 

 

Warning! The following content is NOT WORK SAFE. Click the Show button to reveal.

Nelson Mandela

'This hero worship is very much misplaced'- John Carlisle MP, on the BBC screening of the Free Nelson Mandela concert in 1990

'The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land' - Margaret Thatcher, 1987

 

'How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?' - Terry Dicks MP, mid-1980s

 

'Nelson Mandela should be shot' - Teddy Taylor MP, mid-1980s

 

The fuss that Parliament is to make over Nelson Mandela this week will mark a stark contrast with the 20-year Commons silence that followed his imprisonment in 1962.

 

On Thursday, the President of South Africa is to be accorded the rare honour of addressing both Houses of Parliament in Westminster Hall, when ministers, MPs and peers will gather to pay homage to a world statesman.

 

But an Independent survey of Commons Hansard records suggests that even in the immediate aftermath of his imprison- ment, Mr Mandela's name was not uttered in the chamber.

 

Hansard Indices, which cover speeches, statements and oral questions and answers in the Commons, as well as written questions and answers, suggest that the first time Nelson Mandela's name was mentioned in the House was on 9 March 1983, in a question from Labour MP Ken Eastham.

 

In his autobiography, Conflict of Loyalty, former foreign secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe says that even as late as October 1987, at a press conference following the Commonwealth Heads of Government Conference in Vancouver, Mrs Thatcher was quick to dismiss the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation". Sir Geoffrey added sadly: "Absolutism still held sway."

 

But Mrs Thatcher was expressing a common view on the right of the Tory party.

 

In the mid-Eighties, Conservative backbench MP Teddy Taylor said: "Nelson Mandela should be shot" - though he later claimed it was meant jokingly. "Unfortunately, I do still regard him as an ex-terrorist," he said two years ago.

 

In 1990, when Mr Mandela declined to meet Mrs Thatcher on a trip to London, Conservative MP Terry Dicks asked: "How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?"

 

John Carlisle, Tory MP for Luton North, was furious at the BBC's screening of the 1990 Mandela concert in London. "The BBC have just gone bananas over this and seem to be joining those who are making Mandela out to be a Christ-like figure," Mr Carlisle said.

 

"Many will remember his record and the record of his wife as they take the podium. This hero worship is misplaced."

 

That same year, another Tory MP, Andrew Hunter, now chairman of the Conservative backbench committee on Northern Ireland, called for an investigation into alleged secret links between Mr Mandela's African National Congress and the IRA.

 

Labour frontbencher Brian Wilson yesterday challenged John Bercow, Conservative parliamentary candidate for Buckingham and former political adviser to Virginia Bottomley, the Secretary of State for National Heritage, to offer regret for the abuse that had been heaped on Mr Mandela by the Federation of Conservative Students when he was its chairman.

 

He said FCS conferences had been littered with slogans like "Hang Nelson Mandela", and Mr Wilson added: "Mr Bercow must now make it clear that he deeply regrets the behaviour of FCS members.

 

"Silence would only show that we've still got the same old Tories with the same old story of intolerance and bigotry."

 

 

[YOUTUBE]QrW79iye1kA[/YOUTUBE]

 

 

You've got a mind and an opinion and thanks for sharing the link. It focusses mainly on foreign policy though and not what MT did for Britain. I don't think any other PM would have behaved differently on foreign policy under the circumstances.

[Red22]

I'll not waste my time. Crack on talking utter drivel if you want, I'll not be listening.

 

Fine. I honestly don't give a shit.

[Red22]

If you want a debate then dont be so fucking sanctimonious. You know full well she is a hate figure yet come on here praising her and then start trying to take the moral high ground because you've been insulted. You are an obvious fucking troll, now piss off.

 

It would be good to know how I was being sanctimonious. I'm not a hypocrite.

 

I've observed that people in Liverpool don't like her - I don't deny that. The intention is not to wind people up however, more to stimulate debate based on what I've seen and my own thoughts.

 

Just because I don't conform to mainline thinking it doesn't mean I'm on a wind up.

[zigackly]

Like I said you're a moron. Neg away if it makes you fell better about yourself. I don't read any of that but go for it if it might help alleviate your sense of self loathing.

 

[Stu Monty]

It would be good to know how I was being sanctimonious. I'm not a hypocrite.

 

I've observed that people in Liverpool don't like her - I don't deny that. The intention is not to wind people up however, more to stimulate debate based on what I've seen and my own thoughts.

 

Just because I don't conform to mainline thinking it doesn't mean I'm on a wind up.

 

Obviously. That's why you respond to people with "Are you a communist".

 

Real high-level debating there.

 

"I don't believe anyone else wouldn't have wanted Mandela killed and been bezzie mates with Pinochet and the Khmer Rouge". Okay. That's of course not at all a ridiculous thing to say when asking why people have a moral judgement on someone.

 

If you want people's views then google one of the many threads already on here. It might not give you as much wind-up pleasure but it will educate you, if that is actually what you want.

[Anny Road]

[Jairzinho]

[Red Phoenix]

Are you a communist?

 

Leave the commies alone, you filthy fascist.

[Mike D]

Don't normally watch anything to do with British politics

 

so you're an ignorant cunt?