Andy Carroll -" Liverpool willing to sell "

[lamai]

why would we loan him out when Suarez will be out for 8 games??? with gerrard back in the team he will score goals.

[Liquid football]

As long as Gerrard continues doing what he did against Newcastle, Carroll is going to start bagging goals and that's a fact.

[James21]

There isnt a big difference with stevie back, it was just him missing more, and easier chances.

 

What sign was there that things would get better, was it him failing to bring down a simple ball or was it him hitting the bar from inside the 6 yard box with a header, the only bloody thing he is suposed to be good at..

 

You put any striker in the world next to gerrard, they will get more chances, it then comes down to if they are quality themselves. Heskey up top, nothing. Torres up top, shit load of goals

[Ahmad Sufi]

I think Stevie Gerrard will help him to grow. You can see the effect of Gerrard on Andy Carroll when he came in during Newcastle Utd match. We need to stand behind him. Remember how good was Lucas when he first arrived to our club. and now he emerged to be one of our key player.

[Manny]

We aren't loaning out our club record signing to the team we bought him from, who sit 4 points behind us in the table. If he got his touch back and propelled them up the table, we'd look sillier than we did giving them £35m.

[fowler9]

I think Stevie Gerrard will help him to grow. You can see the effect of Gerrard on Andy Carroll when he came in during Newcastle Utd match. We need to stand behind him. Remember how good was Lucas when he first arrived to our club. and now he emerged to be one of our key player.

 

I really want him to suceed and from what I saw of him for the Barcodes he will one day be ace, for that few months he was one of the best target men I've ever seen, since he joined us barring the odd flash though he has been shite

 

but it does concern me if we have to rely on Stevie who has barely played in the last couple of years for him to be good

[LFC 6 Times]

the lad's been embarrassingly awful, he has the worst movement of a liverpool striker I've ever seen yet because Stevie's back he's going to start banging in the goals? He's already missed the 2 sitters stevie's whipped in for him, norwich and newcastle.

[fowler9]

back to the ineptness of talksport as touched upon on the previous page, just lifted this beauty from them on our official site transfer rumours section

 

 

 

Liverpool and Blackburn target Esteban Granero is available for transfer this month and can be bought for around £8m.

 

Kenny Dalglish was reportedly considering a move for the Real Madrid midfielder as cover for the injured Lucas and the fragile Steven Gerrard.

 

Blackburn were also hoping to take the former Spain U21 international on loan for the rest of the season in what would have been an audacious coup for Steve Kean's struggling side.

 

Jose Mourinho has told the 24-year-old he is surplus to requirements at the Bernabeu but they are unwilling to let the former Getafe man leave on loan and would prefer to recoup some of the £4m they paid for him in 2009.

 

his price more than halved during the writing of the article!

[Unrighteous]

Esteban Granero's nickname is 'the Pirate' (El Pirata)... for that reason alone, I am sold.

[Newport]

Granero is brilliant. He just made the wrong choice going back to Real Madrid.

[navbasi]

To be fair the press have had a bit of a field day with it, red tops running scandal stories and The Gruniad running a shite hit generator article this morning about how The Tramp of Trafford might be loosing his grip on the team and it might be time to shuffle of to be Beelzebub's chief fellatio provider.

 

I stand corrected mate. I don't read any of those quality papers you have pointed out!! :whistle:

[MLB]

The Question: why are Liverpool struggling to score at home?

Liverpool's scoring record at Anfield has been poor but those who blame bad luck and Andy Carroll may be missing the point

 

Liverpool sit a reasonably contented sixth in the table. They have conceded fewer goals than anybody else in the Premier League and, although a gap of 11 points to the leaders is probably too much to make up, there is no reason why they shouldn't mount a strong challenge to qualify for the Champions League. The one niggling doubt, and the one reason that they're not in with a chance of winning the title, is their repeated failure to kill sides off at home.

 

Although they ended up winning relatively comfortably against Newcastle on Friday, that was only their fourth win in 10 home games this season. A record of 14 goals from 10 matches at Anfield tells the same story as the memory of countless headers flashing just wide and opposing goalkeepers making save after save. Andy Carroll, mocked as he is, seems to have been particularly unfortunate in that regard, being denied late winners by barely credible saves from Manchester City's Joe Hart and Blackburn's Mark Bunn.

 

Luck, the unspoken deity that haunts football more than anyone likes to admit, has played its part, and it may be that the second half of the season will follow the model of the Newcastle game rather than the 1-1 draw with Blackburn as success breeds confidence. Much of success in sport, though, is about manipulating percentages, and it's perhaps there that Liverpool bear a level of responsibility for their failing.

 

The statistics are remarkable. Opta figures show that in nine home matches after Kenny Dalglish took charge last season, Liverpool scored 20 goals, compared with 14 in 10 home games this season: 2.22 goals per game compared to 1.4. Yet last season in games under Dalglish, Liverpool averaged 12.89 shots per game, compared with 15.4 this (in 2009-10 Liverpool had 14.89 shots per game at home, and the season before that 17.79).

 

Now, while it's clear that not all shots are equal – an open goal from two yards yields a far higher likelihood of a goal being scored than an overhead kick from 30 yards – there is obviously a high correlation between shots and goals. In an interview in The Blizzard the Norway manager Egil Olsen notes that three-quarters of games are won by the side who had more shots and explains that he abandoned his attempts to quantify how good a chance was because it yielded almost identical results.

 

Liverpool this season score a goal with every 11 shots they have at home. Last season they scored every 5.81 shots. In 2009-10 they scored every 6.59 shots and in 2008-09 every 8.24 (at least since statistics began to be recorded, a basic rule of thumb has remained that every nine shots will yield one goal). Away from home this season, the figure is even worse, a goal coming every 11.51 shots. It would be easy to blame that on Carroll's profligacy, but he's not the only one at fault. In terms of shooting accuracy, there's not a great deal to chose between Liverpool's four strikers. Craig Bellamy has got five of 11 shots on target, Carroll 14 of 34, Dirk Kuyt seven of 17 and Luis Suárez 28 of 69. The big difference is in chance conversion – how many of those shots go in. Bellamy has scored 36.4% of his chances (from an admittedly small sample size), Suárez 7.2%, Carroll 5.9% and Kuyt none.

 

Is there a reason for the comparative lack of effectiveness beyond simple profligacy or lack of confidence? Are, in other words, Liverpool creating chances that are difficult to take? The signings of Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam were apparently motivated by the fact that all three were among the top eight chance-creators in the Premier League last season (Blackpool, Aston Villa and Sunderland were eighth, 13th and 17th in the scoring charts last season; it may be that the sort of chance Adam, Downing and Henderson create is not the most efficient sort of chance, precise as Henderson's ball to Steven Gerrard for the third goal on Friday was).

 

At home this season, Liverpool have played 481.8 passes per game, completing 80.34% of them. It's been suggested that they've become more direct, which would logically be reflected in fewer passes and a lower pass completion rate, but in 2009-10 at home they were averaging 492 passes per game at 80.05% completion, and in 2008-09 514.2 at 81.65%. In so far as passing stats reveal style, little seems to have changed since Rafael Benítez's time. There is a danger that pass-completion stats can give a misleading impression if a side passes the ball among its back four before launching long balls, but pass completion in the opponent's half has barely changed either: 73.10% this season, 72.61% in 2009-10 and 73.82% in 2008-09.

 

Last season under Dalglish at home, though, Liverpool played only 445 passes per game, with a success rate of 78.55%, and 70.81% in the opponent's half. Those figures, taken with the stats on crossing, do seem to reveal a trend. In 2008-09 Liverpool averaged 33.16 crosses per home game. In 2009-10, 30.58. This season, the figure is 33.7. Last season under Dalglish, though, Liverpool hit just 23.33 crosses per game. Cross completion this season has been markedly better this season: 24.03% at home as opposed to 15.38 under Dalglish last season and 20.27% and 19.63% in the last two seasons under Benítez.

 

So Liverpool were almost twice as efficient in front of goal last season when they played fewer crosses and were more direct. That may change if Carroll's efforts stopped hitting the woodwork or the outstretched fingertips of assorted goalkeepers, but Liverpool seem to have run into the theory postulated by Herbert Chapman in the 1920s. Rapid forward passes, he said, were "more deadly, if less spectacular" than the "senseless policy of running along the lines and centring just in front of the goalmouth, where the odds are nine to one on the defenders".

 

It's a fine balance, of course: create as many chances as possible, or create fewer chances that are easier to take? After 10 games, simple misfortune could still be playing its part, but it may be that Liverpool need to recalibrate a touch from the former to the latter.

[navbasi]

MLB, that was posted earlier mate.

[LFC 6 Times]

such a threat.

[Zurbaran]

To say Gerrard will set up goals for him is probably right. Right because Andy has fuck all movement and Gerrard can put a ball close to his head.

 

He really is a shit player. No brain, no movement, no work ethic, and no finishing. Do we really want our main striker to be so limited?

[Guest LFD]

He really is a shit player. No brain, no movement, no work ethic, and no finishing. Do we really want our main striker to be so limited?

 

No, but then again what option do we have?

 

We either:

 

1) Sell him for a massive loss

 

2) Loan him - when we already have lost Suarez for a few games, who will play upfront?

 

3) Keep him and hope he comes good.

 

None of those options sound appealing really.

[Joe Le Taxi]

Kill him and claim the insurance?

[piscinin]

Kill him and claim the insurance?

 

SV is way ahead of you. He had the claim forms filled in and notarized months ago.

[boots123]

but what if they gave us demba bar in part ex

[James21]

Sell this donkey. Dont give a fuck what we recoup, just get him off the fucking books.

 

He offers nothing more than Ngog didnt, less infact, and offers nothing that Adam Morgan couldnt.

 

Completely shite, fucking astouding we spent 35m on this guy, the single worst transfer in the history of the sport. Get rid, move on, admit the mistake, get 15M back and put it towards a true world class striker, or at least someone with some fucking ability who fit our style

[Hooch]

Not even worth 5 million this lump.

 

He's so bad he's actually got me pining for Ngog to come back.

[LFC 6 Times]

I think I actually hate him, yeah Downing's bad but at least he knows what a football looks like, Carroll looks like a drunk sunday league player, with a poor work rate to boot.

[Randy Marsh]

The only service Carroll generally receives is the shithouse floated clip in to the box 60 yards out when he is 15 yards from goal and with no one anywere near him and no chance of being able to put any kind of pace on the ball, never mind direction. Look at the Gerrard ball in to him last week when he hit the bar, the header against City last season, even look at this clip from his half season at Newcastle last year...

 

[YOUTUBE]F4AQ7XO7C68[/YOUTUBE]

 

I'm sorry but the lad has so much more to his game than he is currently showing. Yes, that has a lot to do with him to but as a team we are just not helping him. He gets no service on the deck, the aerial service is shite and he's usually isolated on his own so has 3 defenders looking after him.

[fowler9]

have Stevie, Suarez and Carroll ever played all at the same time?

[piscinin]

The only service Carroll generally receives is the shithouse floated clip in to the box 60 yards out when he is 15 yards from goal and with no one anywere near him and no chance of being able to put any kind of pace on the ball, never mind direction. Look at the Gerrard ball in to him last week when he hit the bar, the header against City last season, even look at this clip from his half season at Newcastle last year...

 

[YOUTUBE]F4AQ7XO7C68[/YOUTUBE]

 

I'm sorry but the lad has so much more to his game than he is currently showing. Yes, that has a lot to do with him to but as a team we are just not helping him. He gets no service on the deck, the aerial service is shite and he's usually isolated on his own so has 3 defenders looking after him.

 

The crossing has been poor no doubt BUT the only crosses that can be made are those that Andy Carroll's movement dictates. If he does not sprint into the 6 yd box then a ball across the 6yd box is not possible.

 

If he just stands around picking his arse he's not really helping is he. A good cross like a pass requires a good passer and a good receiver. If through not having a brain and piss poor movement he makes it impossible for anyone other than steven gerrard to put the ball on his head, then well he has no sympathy from me and he will end up getting chucked because there are not enough super-duper crossers of the ball in world football that can compensate for his shiteness.

 

It takes two to tango and this guy's trying while wearing jester boots.