Kenneth Dalglish - is he the man? I have my doubts

[Scousa Tomo]

Had to look that one up - pretty much where we are now - 7th place.

 

I ment more as a club as a whole as opposed to league position to be honest.

 

 

We are improving every game and I don't understand how people cannot be happy with that. If we would have had a little bit of luck with decisions and goals going in off the frame etc we would be right up there now. We are not playing bad and our team isn't shit, we will click soon get a bit of look and then piss 4th.

[Il Fenomeno]

Agree with the rest though - knee-jerk central around here. If a few of those shots that have hit the post and the bar so far this season had gone in there would be some very different opinions.

 

That's the point though. We've spent about £70m on 3 players that have only scored 3 goals between each other in 29 league appearances this season, how awful is that?

 

They should be scoring these goals, not missing easy chances and hitting posts. Its no coincidence that opposition keepers tend to have good games against us and that we've hit the post and bar in so many games, we're just awful at finishing, and that's not good enough for a front four thats cost close to £100m.

[Mitch]

This is why Liverpool should’ve looked into the future rather than back to the past.

 

There’s a section of Liverpool fans who will stand-by Kenny Dalglish regardless of how he performs as manager. That’s laudable really, especially in an age where fans are more fickle than ever. However, John Henry must surely be starting to doubt the wisdom of installing Dalglish, because the pricey team that’s been assembled grows more underwhelming by the week.

 

It’s interesting to compare the treatment of Dalgish by the Liverpool fans with the comparative relationship between Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal faithful. One heralded as a saviour regardless of contemporary results, and the other derided because of them. The past is Wenger’s enemy, whereas for Dalglish it’s a saving grace. Arsenal and Liverpool are currently level on points.

 

Can you imagine how Anfield would’ve reacted to a Roy Hodgson team that failed to beat Swansea, Norwich, and Sunderland at home? Or how the fans might have responded to getting humiliated at White Hart Lane?

 

The problem John Henry has, is that anytime you appoint a club legend as manager you complicate the situation. Getting rid of Dalglish, should he ever want to, is almost impossible given the fans emotional investment in the man himself. Sacking someone like that would put the ownership in direct opposition to a considerable percentage of the fanbase – and owners do that at their peril.

 

Some may argue that even talk of dismissing Dalglish is premature, but since when is this kind of form acceptable to a club of that stature? The Champions League grows a more remote objective by the week, and you could certainly make a case for saying that Liverpool are currently – on form – the seventh best side in the league. That’s not good enough for Liverpool. It’s definitely not acceptable when you’ve spent an absolute fortunate on putting a team together.

 

At times, and apologies for this being a laboured point, Andy Carroll looks little more than a Championship player. Stewart Downing is a mid-level player at best, Charlie Adam – for all his much-heralded set-piece qualities – is a passenger in that midfield, and Jordan Henderson has done so little in a Liverpool shirt that you can’t really have an opinion. Luis Suarez is a fantastic player, but he’s actually limited by what goes on behind him.

 

That’s an awful lot of money for very little product, and on the basis that you can’t eat out on the 1980s forever, there eventually has to be some accountability for how this team is performing. Trouble is though, how much of that accountability can John Henry put on his manager?

[BatChainPuller]

That's the point though. We've spent about £70m on 3 players that have only scored 3 goals between each other in 29 league appearances this season, how awful is that?

 

They should be scoring these goals, not missing easy chances and hitting posts. Its no coincidence that opposition keepers tend to have good games against us and that we've hit the post and bar in so many games, we're just awful at finishing, and that's not good enough for a front four thats cost close to £100m.

 

Wow, I must have fallen asleep and missed 18 league games then - that sort of stat distorts the picture Code stylee. Clearly finishing isn't up to much at the moment but its more or less a new team and its going to take time to settle. For large portions of last season Rooney couldn't find the net but I doubt he got slaughtered by the mancs the way that Carroll in particular is singled out.

[Iantn]

Can you imagine how Anfield would’ve reacted to a Roy Hodgson team that failed to beat Swansea, Norwich, and Sunderland at home? Or how the fans might have responded to getting humiliated at White Hart Lane?

 

I really don't understand this point at all. And it shows you up as a fickle, knee-jerker. No one should be up in arms because of not beating someone, it is pathetic to do so.

 

Hodgson got peoples backs up with ridiculous tactics and interviews. Despite dropping points to all these sides this season, we've looked likely to win all 3 games and the King has rightly pointed out that we've not been good enough at times. Worlds apart.

[Scousa Tomo]

This is why Liverpool should’ve looked into the future rather than back to the past.

 

There’s a section of Liverpool fans who will stand-by Kenny Dalglish regardless of how he performs as manager. That’s laudable really, especially in an age where fans are more fickle than ever. However, John Henry must surely be starting to doubt the wisdom of installing Dalglish, because the pricey team that’s been assembled grows more underwhelming by the week.

 

It’s interesting to compare the treatment of Dalgish by the Liverpool fans with the comparative relationship between Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal faithful. One heralded as a saviour regardless of contemporary results, and the other derided because of them. The past is Wenger’s enemy, whereas for Dalglish it’s a saving grace. Arsenal and Liverpool are currently level on points.

 

Can you imagine how Anfield would’ve reacted to a Roy Hodgson team that failed to beat Swansea, Norwich, and Sunderland at home? Or how the fans might have responded to getting humiliated at White Hart Lane?

 

The problem John Henry has, is that anytime you appoint a club legend as manager you complicate the situation. Getting rid of Dalglish, should he ever want to, is almost impossible given the fans emotional investment in the man himself. Sacking someone like that would put the ownership in direct opposition to a considerable percentage of the fanbase – and owners do that at their peril.

 

Some may argue that even talk of dismissing Dalglish is premature, but since when is this kind of form acceptable to a club of that stature? The Champions League grows a more remote objective by the week, and you could certainly make a case for saying that Liverpool are currently – on form – the seventh best side in the league. That’s not good enough for Liverpool. It’s definitely not acceptable when you’ve spent an absolute fortunate on putting a team together.

 

At times, and apologies for this being a laboured point, Andy Carroll looks little more than a Championship player. Stewart Downing is a mid-level player at best, Charlie Adam – for all his much-heralded set-piece qualities – is a passenger in that midfield, and Jordan Henderson has done so little in a Liverpool shirt that you can’t really have an opinion. Luis Suarez is a fantastic player, but he’s actually limited by what goes on behind him.

 

That’s an awful lot of money for very little product, and on the basis that you can’t eat out on the 1980s forever, there eventually has to be some accountability for how this team is performing. Trouble is though, how much of that accountability can John Henry put on his manager?

 

Where did u rob that from? Someone who can't spell nonsensical never wrote that.

[BatChainPuller]

This is why Liverpool should’ve looked into the future rather than back to the past.

 

There’s a section of Liverpool fans who will stand-by Kenny Dalglish regardless of how he performs as manager. That’s laudable really, especially in an age where fans are more fickle than ever. However, John Henry must surely be starting to doubt the wisdom of installing Dalglish, because the pricey team that’s been assembled grows more underwhelming by the week.

 

It’s interesting to compare the treatment of Dalgish by the Liverpool fans with the comparative relationship between Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal faithful. One heralded as a saviour regardless of contemporary results, and the other derided because of them. The past is Wenger’s enemy, whereas for Dalglish it’s a saving grace. Arsenal and Liverpool are currently level on points.

 

Can you imagine how Anfield would’ve reacted to a Roy Hodgson team that failed to beat Swansea, Norwich, and Sunderland at home? Or how the fans might have responded to getting humiliated at White Hart Lane?

 

The problem John Henry has, is that anytime you appoint a club legend as manager you complicate the situation. Getting rid of Dalglish, should he ever want to, is almost impossible given the fans emotional investment in the man himself. Sacking someone like that would put the ownership in direct opposition to a considerable percentage of the fanbase – and owners do that at their peril.

 

Some may argue that even talk of dismissing Dalglish is premature, but since when is this kind of form acceptable to a club of that stature? The Champions League grows a more remote objective by the week, and you could certainly make a case for saying that Liverpool are currently – on form – the seventh best side in the league. That’s not good enough for Liverpool. It’s definitely not acceptable when you’ve spent an absolute fortunate on putting a team together.

 

At times, and apologies for this being a laboured point, Andy Carroll looks little more than a Championship player. Stewart Downing is a mid-level player at best, Charlie Adam – for all his much-heralded set-piece qualities – is a passenger in that midfield, and Jordan Henderson has done so little in a Liverpool shirt that you can’t really have an opinion. Luis Suarez is a fantastic player, but he’s actually limited by what goes on behind him.

 

That’s an awful lot of money for very little product, and on the basis that you can’t eat out on the 1980s forever, there eventually has to be some accountability for how this team is performing. Trouble is though, how much of that accountability can John Henry put on his manager?

 

After 11 games that really is a stunning level of idiocy.

[kalasoma]

Where did u rob that from? Someone who can't spell nonsensical never wrote that.

 

That whole post should be in bold as it looks and reads like an entire quote from some source other than the poster's.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I'm convinced he's Rashid. He's a fucking knob, I do know that much.

[Il Fenomeno]

Wow, I must have fallen asleep and missed 18 league games then - that sort of stat distorts the picture Code stylee. Clearly finishing isn't up to much at the moment but its more or less a new team and its going to take time to settle. For large portions of last season Rooney couldn't find the net but I doubt he got slaughtered by the mancs the way that Carroll in particular is singled out.

 

When Rooney wasn't scoring other players were picking up the slack! No one in our team does that, which is why Carroll comes in for more stick than Rooney did. No one complains if we're winning and putting in good performances.

 

I don't understand how the stat distorts anything, they've made 29 appearances between them (Downing 10, Henderson 10 and Carroll 9) and they've only scored 3 goals between them. Its a fairly simple stat, that says a lot about their quality infront of goal.

[silverlining]

When Rooney wasn't scoring other players were picking up the slack! No one in our team does that, which is why Carroll comes in for more stick than Rooney did. No one complains if we're winning and putting in good performances.

 

I don't understand how the stat distorts anything, they've made 29 appearances between them (Downing 10, Henderson 10 and Carroll 9) and they've only scored 3 goals between them. Its a fairly simple stat, that says a lot about their quality infront of goal.

Rooney scored about 30 goals the season before and has nothing to prove as one of the best players in Europe.

 

As for Henderson and downing, nobody expected them to score goals, because they never have.

[cmuller]

your fucking high. You think we havent improved on the likes of Poulsen and Jovanovic?.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly, this team needs time.

 

Some of you forget too quickly where we were 18 months ago. IKWT

 

 

So we've paid top dollar to replace a couple of obvious squad filler failures?

[BatChainPuller]

When Rooney wasn't scoring other players were picking up the slack! No one in our team does that, which is why Carroll comes in for more stick than Rooney did. No one complains if we're winning and putting in good performances.

 

I don't understand how the stat distorts anything, they've made 29 appearances between them (Downing 10, Henderson 10 and Carroll 9) and they've only scored 3 goals between them. Its a fairly simple stat, that says a lot about their quality infront of goal.

 

Because they have all played in the same 11 games, where a team in transition is settling in and getting used to playing together. It sounds much more dramatic when you say '29 appearances' rather than 11 league games. For me all three of the players you name have been generally mediocre - for many on this thread that translates to 'shit'. These sort of drama queen responses are totally out of proportion after just over a quarter of the season.

[Captain]

It’s interesting to compare the treatment of Dalgish by the Liverpool fans with the comparative relationship between Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal faithful. One heralded as a saviour regardless of contemporary results, and the other derided because of them. The past is Wenger’s enemy, whereas for Dalglish it’s a saving grace. Arsenal and Liverpool are currently level on points.

 

Your comparison would be fair had Kenny been our manager since 1996. He hasn't, which makes your comparison shit. Like the rest of your post.

 

To criticize fellow fans for not turning on Kenny ELEVEN GAMES INTO THE SEASON is fucking full scale mentalism.

[Gym Beglin]

This is why Liverpool should’ve looked into the future rather than back to the past.

 

There’s a section of Liverpool fans who will stand-by Kenny Dalglish regardless of how he performs as manager.

 

I agree with much of your post, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, it's the premise that bothers me, not Kenny per se.

 

You can't go back, it never works in the long-run. Kenny should be upstairs, ensuring the long term future of the club, fixing things. He is better than a disposable Premiership manager, but that's the name of the game, and he came into the job with his eyes wide open.

 

Rafa was the best thing to happen to this club in the last 20 years, and it's a sign of how broken this club is/was that he was pushed. We'd rather not win things, we'd rather have a couple of happy wanker superstar players throwing us a wave from their Bentleys as they drive off after another insipid performance.

 

But, here we are, and it's not Kennys fault, it's someone else's and I'm just awaiting instruction from senior fans to let me know who it is we blame soon. Steve Clarke seems like a good fall guy, the cockney twat.

[Kraken]

That whole post should be in bold as it looks and reads like an entire quote from some source other than the poster's.

 

It's been lifted wholesale from here

 

The Premier League Owl

[Phoenix]

No its just got ridiculous. Comparing Carroll and Rooney.

[dennis tooth]

I agree with much of your post, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, it's the premise that bothers me, not Kenny per se.

 

You can't go back, it never works in the long-run. Kenny should be upstairs, ensuring the long term future of the club, fixing things. He is better than a disposable Premiership manager, but that's the name of the game, and he came into the job with his eyes wide open.

 

Rafa was the best thing to happen to this club in the last 20 years, and it's a sign of how broken this club is/was that he was pushed. We'd rather not win things, we'd rather have a couple of happy wanker superstar players throwing us a wave from their Bentleys as they drive off after another insipid performance.

 

But, here we are, and it's not Kennys fault, it's someone else's and I'm just awaiting instruction from senior fans to let me know who it is we blame soon. Steve Clarke seems like a good fall guy, the cockney twat.

 

Yeah we did go back like Marty McFly, he's here, get over it.

 

Maybe we should appoint Alec Pardew, is that wha you want?

[Scousa Tomo]

So we've paid top dollar to replace a couple of obvious squad filler failures?

 

We have bought better players and the squad as a whole is a lot stronger now. We never paid "top dollar" for Adam nor arguably Hendo.

How were they obvious squad fillers anyway? They were bought for the first team and never achieved also they were crippling our club with outrageous wages.

[BatChainPuller]

No its just got ridiculous. Comparing Carroll and Rooney.

 

Okay so I didn't express it very well but what I was trying to point out is that even proven top-class strikers can go through long fallow periods.

[dennis tooth]

Okay so I didn't express it very well but what I was trying to point out is that even proven top-class strikers can go through long fallow periods.

 

Hes not a field you know.

[Guest SpiderLucas]

Just take Kenny Dalglish out of it and you’ll open your eyes to the real problem.

 

We’ve signed dog shit players for way over the odds, we’re not playing this free flowing football like we was promised and the results aren’t coming either.

 

Our best two results this season Everton 0-2 Liverpool and Arsenal 0-2 Liverpool, both after the home side where reduced to 10 men. Even then our performance at Arsenal before Frimpong was sent off wasn’t great.

 

Arsenal and Tottenham had terrible starts yet one is above us with 2 games in hand and Arsenal are level on points with us, let’s not forget this is a side that lost 8-2 at Old Trafford.

 

When you sign shit players you need to accept what you’ve done and fuck them off, Downing, Carroll and Adam will never be good players for Liverpool. Do people not actually understand the fucking amount of money we’ve wasted? £125million, I don’t think it’s sunk in with some people as to what that COULD and SHOULD have bought us.

 

We wasn’t even great last season, we still lost 5 games under Kenny, to the likes of West Ham, West Brom and Aston Villa. It’s not been a good return at all; we got the appointment wrong, again. The quicker people admit to their mistakes and do something about it the better, be that Kenny with his shit signings and even worse tactics or the board with their full time appointment of the King.

 

It’s laughable that people are blinded by the return of a legend. If I wanted to see a team playing shit and accepting it because a club legend has returned as manager; I’d support fucking Newcastle.

 

I hope John Henry takes a leaf out of Mike Ashley’s book and makes the ruthless decision that pisses all the fans off but is the best for the club.

[Phoenix]

Okay so I didn't express it very well but what I was trying to point out is that even proven top-class strikers can go through long fallow periods.

 

The problem is that he hasnt shown anything to be classed a top level striker.

 

If Suarez went through a long drought without scoring then no one would care because they know he is quality. Torres before him, the same.

[BatChainPuller]

Hes not a field you know.

 

World English Dictionary

fallow1 (ˈfæləʊ)

—adj

1. (of land) left unseeded after being ploughed and harrowed to regain fertility for a crop

2. (of an idea, state of mind, etc) undeveloped or inactive, but potentially useful

[zigackly]

Blah, blah, blah.

 

Do you never tire of posting the same thing in every thread? I suppose your persistence is at least ... no I can't even say it's laudable.