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Finally an in depth, non biased overview of Barack Obama


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Philly, you need to stop dragging up links to really poor web sites.

 

Anything that has this on their front page needs to be either set on fire, or ignored:

 

 

Article of the Year: Atheism

 

Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, is the denial of the existence of God.

 

Discover what Wikipedia, the public school systems, and the liberal media don't want you to know about atheism.

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I have just lost an hour on that site. It's spectacular.

 

 

""Wikipedia often uses foreign spelling of words, even though most English speaking users are American. Look up "Most Favored Nation" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts the spelling to the British spelling "Most Favoured Nation", even there there are far more American than British users. Look up "Division of labor" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling "Division of labour," then insists on the British spelling for "specialization" also.[3]. Enter "Hapsburg" (the European ruling family) and Wikipedia automatically changes the spelling to Habsburg, even though the American spelling has always been "Hapsburg". Within entries British spellings appear in the silliest of places, even when the topic is American. Conservapedia favors American spellings of words."

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I have just lost an hour on that site. It's spectacular.

 

 

""Wikipedia often uses foreign spelling of words, even though most English speaking users are American. Look up "Most Favored Nation" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts the spelling to the British spelling "Most Favoured Nation", even there there are far more American than British users. Look up "Division of labor" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling "Division of labour," then insists on the British spelling for "specialization" also.[3]. Enter "Hapsburg" (the European ruling family) and Wikipedia automatically changes the spelling to Habsburg, even though the American spelling has always been "Hapsburg". Within entries British spellings appear in the silliest of places, even when the topic is American. Conservapedia favors American spellings of words."

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Surely the use of British spelling is more conservative than using American spelling?? English came from England you know. Silly conservatives.

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I have just lost an hour on that site. It's spectacular.

 

 

""Wikipedia often uses foreign spelling of words, even though most English speaking users are American. Look up "Most Favored Nation" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts the spelling to the British spelling "Most Favoured Nation", even there there are far more American than British users. Look up "Division of labor" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling "Division of labour," then insists on the British spelling for "specialization" also.[3]. Enter "Hapsburg" (the European ruling family) and Wikipedia automatically changes the spelling to Habsburg, even though the American spelling has always been "Hapsburg". Within entries British spellings appear in the silliest of places, even when the topic is American. Conservapedia favors American spellings of words."

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Funny thing is, you try typing Hapsburg into Conservapedia, and it'll redirect you to Habsburg.

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McCain is no prize, especially in the eyes of conservatives, but it never ceases to amaze me that people are actually in support of Obama. Other than people who just 'always vote democrat' I haven't seen anything that uniquely qualifies this guy to run anything, let alone be the leader of the free world.

 

The man is all style and zero substance, has voted 'present' on over 130 occasions, has only been an active senator for approx 140 days (has spent 20+ months running for president), has passed almost no legislation, radical marxist connections all over the place, so forth and so on...well, no legislation other than giving people a second chance to abort infants.

 

our media in the States is a fucking joke their so up Obama's ass. Any Britons should be able to relate to this if you see how frequently your sports pundits/journo's twist everything so the sun shines brightly out the arse of everything the Chavs and Manure do.

 

Maybe after 'Dubya' we're willing to give someone w/ almost zero experience a chance, we'll find out on Nov. 5th...

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McCain is no prize, especially in the eyes of conservatives, but it never ceases to amaze me that people are actually in support of Obama. Other than people who just 'always vote democrat' I haven't seen anything that uniquely qualifies this guy to run anything, let alone be the leader of the free world.

 

The man is all style and zero substance, has voted 'present' on over 130 occasions, has only been an active senator for approx 140 days (has spent 20+ months running for president), has passed almost no legislation, radical marxist connections all over the place, so forth and so on...well, no legislation other than giving people a second chance to abort infants.

 

our media in the States is a fucking joke their so up Obama's ass. Any Britons should be able to relate to this if you see how frequently your sports pundits/journo's twist everything so the sun shines brightly out the arse of everything the Chavs and Manure do.

 

Maybe after 'Dubya' we're willing to give someone w/ almost zero experience a chance, we'll find out on Nov. 5th...

 

Zero experience? Sarah Palin? A guy who bases his whole campaign on the fact that he was captured by the enemy?

 

The media is not up Barack's arse, they are hoping that McCain will still somehow get in and continoulsy portray a one horse race as two sided. How they allow Palin to dodge questions and give lousy answers without any scrutiny is sinister to say the least. Guess they've had practice on that with every non question fired at Bush getting a non answer for the last decade. Don't tell me there is anything liberal about the media whatsoever as it doesn't bear scrutiny. They line up behind whoever is in power to further their own careers and agendas, nothing to do with being liberal.

 

You say Marxist connections but fail to point out that Bush has been nationalising banks and would create communes today if he thought it would make him and his gang money, these people have only greed and power as motivation and will feed it on anything. Not one of the people running for president since the 1st president has the credentials of Obama, I include JFK in that, even without him voting for anything.

 

The difference with Obama is that he hasn't been courting favours to fund his campaign, he pays for it himself meaning when he gets into power he doesn't owe anyone didly squat and can get on with the real business of change, as he would put it. He'll be shot in the head with hollow point tips though.

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Zero experience? Sarah Palin? A guy who bases his whole campaign on the fact that he was captured by the enemy?

 

The media is not up Barack's arse, they are hoping that McCain will still somehow get in and continoulsy portray a one horse race as two sided. How they allow Palin to dodge questions and give lousy answers without any scrutiny is sinister to say the least. Guess they've had practice on that with every non question fired at Bush getting a non answer for the last decade. Don't tell me there is anything liberal about the media whatsoever as it doesn't bear scrutiny. They line up behind whoever is in power to further their own careers and agendas, nothing to do with being liberal.

 

You say Marxist connections but fail to point out that Bush has been nationalising banks and would create communes today if he thought it would make him and his gang money, these people have only greed and power as motivation and will feed it on anything. Not one of the people running for president since the 1st president has the credentials of Obama, I include JFK in that, even without him voting for anything.

 

The difference with Obama is that he hasn't been courting favours to fund his campaign, he pays for it himself meaning when he gets into power he doesn't owe anyone didly squat and can get on with the real business of change, as he would put it. He'll be shot in the head with hollow point tips though.

 

haha holy crap, where to begin with you...may I ask if you're an American or not? B/c from reading this, it appears that you're not. and if you're not, no american cares what you think. and you'd be the first to tell an american they are out of their depth if they weighed in on your political landscape.

 

Barack Obama: 140 days in active in the senate, 20+ months campaigning. Vs. Sarah Palin, half a decade worth of executorial experience and decision making as a mayor. 2+ years as governor of one of the USA's most important energy states (20%). Obama's most known piece of legislature...the Born Alive Act, which allowed babies in failed abortions to not receive any healthcare whatsoever. Awesome.

 

Newsflash, it's not Obama V. Palin, it's Obama against McCain. (Queue up your "...but ...But McCain's old" retort).

 

Almost 80% of american's think the media here is bias. 4:1 believe they are in the tank for Obama. Sarah Palin has received more scrutiny in the handful of weeks than Obama has in his entire campaign. Tell me what you 'actually' know about Obama. If you can't site his relationships with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Father Flayger, Saul Alinsky, Fannie May, Freddie Mac, it proves how he's actually never been vetted properly. if you think he's a middle of the road democrat, you're wrong and haven't started paying attention early enough.

 

Tell me what makes Obama qualified. You can't. You know nothing about the man. Hillary 'Hilldog' Clinton would have been a better choice.

 

Bush has not been trying to nationalize banks. Go look up Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act. This forced banks to loan money to low income families and minorities that couldn't pay it back. This isn't deregulation, it's more regulation. This is liberal policy. Banks were forced to make decisions no one in their right mind would make in a free market economy. The Clinton administration expanded this through Andrew Coumo further putting a strain on the housing market. We've been dealing w/ this mess for almost three decades.

 

As early as 2003 Bush tried to reform this poor practice and was shot down multiple times by the democrats. And as recent as 2005 McCain co-sponsored a bill to do the same thing, shot down again. Show me the Republicans that got rich off this. You can't. There were none. They were all ex-Clinton staffers.

 

Saying Obama hasn't courted any favors made me laugh the most. He was the #2 recipient of campaign funds from freddie and Fannie (Dodd and Hillary rounded out the top three, all Libs). It's good to know you've got all the Lib talking points down though.

 

Again, how the fuck is Obama qualified? Specifics please. No, "bush did this, bush did that". It's all you libs care about. I don't even support McCain, but I'm going to end up voting for him anyway.

 

Maybe Nader would be a smarter play, he might actually have a shot w/ these two idiots running.

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haha holy crap, where to begin with you...may I ask if you're an American or not? B/c from reading this, it appears that you're not. and if you're not, no american cares what you think. and you'd be the first to tell an american they are out of their depth if they weighed in on your political landscape.

 

Barack Obama: 140 days in active in the senate, 20+ months campaigning. Vs. Sarah Palin, half a decade worth of executorial experience and decision making as a mayor. 2+ years as governor of one of the USA's most important energy states (20%). Obama's most known piece of legislature...the Born Alive Act, which allowed babies in failed abortions to not receive any healthcare whatsoever. Awesome.

 

Newsflash, it's not Obama V. Palin, it's Obama against McCain. (Queue up your "...but ...But McCain's old" retort).

 

Almost 80% of american's think the media here is bias. 4:1 believe they are in the tank for Obama. Sarah Palin has received more scrutiny in the handful of weeks than Obama has in his entire campaign. Tell me what you 'actually' know about Obama. If you can't site his relationships with Bill Ayers,

 

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Jeremiah Wright

 

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haha holy crap, where to begin with you...may I ask if you're an American or not? B/c from reading this, it appears that you're not. and if you're not, no american cares what you think. and you'd be the first to tell an american they are out of their depth if they weighed in on your political landscape.

 

Barack Obama: 140 days in active in the senate, 20+ months campaigning. Vs. Sarah Palin, half a decade worth of executorial experience and decision making as a mayor. 2+ years as governor of one of the USA's most important energy states (20%). Obama's most known piece of legislature...the Born Alive Act, which allowed babies in failed abortions to not receive any healthcare whatsoever. Awesome.

 

Newsflash, it's not Obama V. Palin, it's Obama against McCain. (Queue up your "...but ...But McCain's old" retort).

 

Almost 80% of american's think the media here is bias. 4:1 believe they are in the tank for Obama. Sarah Palin has received more scrutiny in the handful of weeks than Obama has in his entire campaign. Tell me what you 'actually' know about Obama. If you can't site his relationships with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Father Flayger, Saul Alinsky, Fannie May, Freddie Mac, it proves how he's actually never been vetted properly. if you think he's a middle of the road democrat, you're wrong and haven't started paying attention early enough.

 

Tell me what makes Obama qualified. You can't. You know nothing about the man. Hillary 'Hilldog' Clinton would have been a better choice.

 

Bush has not been trying to nationalize banks. Go look up Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act. This forced banks to loan money to low income families and minorities that couldn't pay it back. This isn't deregulation, it's more regulation. This is liberal policy. Banks were forced to make decisions no one in their right mind would make in a free market economy. The Clinton administration expanded this through Andrew Coumo further putting a strain on the housing market. We've been dealing w/ this mess for almost three decades.

 

As early as 2003 Bush tried to reform this poor practice and was shot down multiple times by the democrats. And as recent as 2005 McCain co-sponsored a bill to do the same thing, shot down again. Show me the Republicans that got rich off this. You can't. There were none. They were all ex-Clinton staffers.

 

Saying Obama hasn't courted any favors made me laugh the most. He was the #2 recipient of campaign funds from freddie and Fannie (Dodd and Hillary rounded out the top three, all Libs). It's good to know you've got all the Lib talking points down though.

 

Again, how the fuck is Obama qualified? Specifics please. No, "bush did this, bush did that". It's all you libs care about. I don't even support McCain, but I'm going to end up voting for him anyway.

 

Maybe Nader would be a smarter play, he might actually have a shot w/ these two idiots running.

 

 

 

You're right there mate, in fact it pisses me right off every time your government does it ;-)

 

Regardless, the current president has deliberately set himself up in the role of "leader of the free world". By definition, people in the free world expect the right to comment on issues that affect them, especially if they've taken the time to understand the issues as they affect both the USA and our own countries.

 

Our soldiers are dying in wars too. Our citizens have been killed in terrorist attacks too. Our stockmarkets are crashing too. Our petrol is more expensive too. We can't get mortgages either. Our affordable healthcare is on it's knees too. Kids take knives and guns to our schools too.

 

Your country is neither unique, nor special as far as these things go, so please don't make an assumption that we can't understand the issues - it only serves to perpetuate the generally undeserved impression of arrogance that taints many European perceptions of Americans.

 

Anyway, enough of the similarities. To balance things out a little, I'll highlight a major difference; Sarah Palin would not get within ten miles of standing in a UK general election, let alone winning one. She would be filed in a box marked "unelectable" along with Michael Foot and Iain Duncan Smith.

 

I genuinely cannot believe that anyone outside of her own party can possibly take her seriously as a Vice Presidential candidate, in fact I find it difficult to believe that many within her own party can take her seriously.

 

Outside the USA she is widely derided for having no grasp of key policy issues, for her failure to grasp central notions of politics (a "debate", for example) and for generally spewing forth gallons of utterly witless nonsense at every possible opportunity. This is fact. In Britain, for example, I would say the majority of the public (and pretty much every political commentator) think that she's a complete imbecile.

 

The woman is ill-equipped for the international political arena in every conceivable way. She would look perfectly at home loudly harranguing the staff at a parent-teacher meeting with an utterly nonsensical argument, or maybe leading a town council protest against a porn theatre, but Vice President of the USA? Seriously, just take a step back - is this honestly the best your country has to offer?

 

I've visited Los Angeles and I met chicks in bars in Anaheim that I would consider more appropriate candidates than Palin, the woman is political cancer. McCain would have more credibility if he'd put Lindsey Lohan on the ticket.

 

Come the election, I think that even a large proportion of ordinary Joes will realise that, tempting though the idea may at first glance, an ordinary Joe (or Josephine) isn't really what they need in the big house.

 

The world of international politics is no place for a feisty mom from Alaska - as Matt Damon said, the whole idea is like some awful Disney movie. Unfortunately, it's been turned into a tawdry reality by a presidential candidate drunk on his own hubris and grasping at straws in the face of a failing campaign.

 

Obama is definitely reminiscent of Blair in 1997, the glibness of delivery,the earnestness, all the key ingredients are there. Thing is, you probably wouldn't have heard of Tony Blair was were it not for one key fact. He won.

 

He won because Britain was pissed off with the old guard, who's position had become untenable and right now, that's exactly the situation that the Republican party is looking at.

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haha holy crap, where to begin with you...may I ask if you're an American or not? B/c from reading this, it appears that you're not. and if you're not, no american cares what you think. and you'd be the first to tell an american they are out of their depth if they weighed in on your political landscape.

 

Barack Obama: 140 days in active in the senate, 20+ months campaigning. Vs. Sarah Palin, half a decade worth of executorial experience and decision making as a mayor. 2+ years as governor of one of the USA's most important energy states (20%). Obama's most known piece of legislature...the Born Alive Act, which allowed babies in failed abortions to not receive any healthcare whatsoever. Awesome.

 

Newsflash, it's not Obama V. Palin, it's Obama against McCain. (Queue up your "...but ...But McCain's old" retort).

 

Almost 80% of american's think the media here is bias. 4:1 believe they are in the tank for Obama. Sarah Palin has received more scrutiny in the handful of weeks than Obama has in his entire campaign. Tell me what you 'actually' know about Obama. If you can't site his relationships with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Father Flayger, Saul Alinsky, Fannie May, Freddie Mac, it proves how he's actually never been vetted properly. if you think he's a middle of the road democrat, you're wrong and haven't started paying attention early enough.

 

Tell me what makes Obama qualified. You can't. You know nothing about the man. Hillary 'Hilldog' Clinton would have been a better choice.

 

Bush has not been trying to nationalize banks. Go look up Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act. This forced banks to loan money to low income families and minorities that couldn't pay it back. This isn't deregulation, it's more regulation. This is liberal policy. Banks were forced to make decisions no one in their right mind would make in a free market economy. The Clinton administration expanded this through Andrew Coumo further putting a strain on the housing market. We've been dealing w/ this mess for almost three decades.

 

As early as 2003 Bush tried to reform this poor practice and was shot down multiple times by the democrats. And as recent as 2005 McCain co-sponsored a bill to do the same thing, shot down again. Show me the Republicans that got rich off this. You can't. There were none. They were all ex-Clinton staffers.

 

Saying Obama hasn't courted any favors made me laugh the most. He was the #2 recipient of campaign funds from freddie and Fannie (Dodd and Hillary rounded out the top three, all Libs). It's good to know you've got all the Lib talking points down though.

 

Again, how the fuck is Obama qualified? Specifics please. No, "bush did this, bush did that". It's all you libs care about. I don't even support McCain, but I'm going to end up voting for him anyway.

 

Maybe Nader would be a smarter play, he might actually have a shot w/ these two idiots running.

 

a couple of things - palin's "executive" experience? a mayor of a town of 8,000 people, and 2 years as governor of a state that basically governs itself - no income tax, tiny population, huge government subsidies, and massive oil revenues. it's also a state that does NOT produce 20% of america's energy btw. see here:

 

Palin Exaggerates Alaska's Energy Role - washingtonpost.com

 

"Alaska is the ninth-largest energy supplier in the United States, accounting for a modest 3.5 percent share of the nation's total energy production. "

 

sarah palin has received more scrutiny???? lol, you must be joking, she hasn't even had a press conference. do you realize the amount of scrutiny obama has been under they've even dug up his kindergarten records. as for his most famous pieces of legislation, i would assume his nuclear non-proliferation work, senate ethics reform, and his work in IL on due process for the criminally accused are more well known pieces of legislation then a bill that obama didn't even write (for the record, i don't support his stance on the bill, it is pretty despicable).

 

explain to me how the associations you mention would have a bearing on an obama presidency? do you think obama shares ayres terrorist views? do you think he took bribes from rezko? is he as racist as wright? or is this just guilt by association? the man is a politician, he meets people, builds relationships, you could find a similar cast of unsavoury characters in any of their backgrounds. it's the nature of the game.

 

what makes obama qualified? what do you deem to be a qualification for president? is it just legislative achievements and military history? if so, then fine, he doesn't stack upto mccain...but mccain has also been around longer, and he's had a lot more failures as well. i would place more of an emphasis on intellect, judgement, temperment. and let's not forget that obama is a united states senator since 2004, it's not as if he's been plucked out of total obscurity. mccain may be one hell of a senator, but there are just as many questions about him being an effective president as there are about obama.

 

more on mccain here: Make-Believe Maverick : Rolling Stone

 

now this is where you really fall off the wagon: the Community Reinvestment Act. I'm not going to bother walking you through it, but have a gander at this:

 

Are Minorities to Blame for the Subprime Mess? | Newsweek Voices - Daniel Gross | Newsweek.com

 

"Let me get this straight. Investment banks and insurance companies run by centimillionaires blow up, and it's the fault of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and poor minorities? These arguments are generally made by people who read the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, and ignore the rest of the paper—economic know-nothings whose opinions are informed mostly by ideology and, occasionally, by prejudice. Let's be honest. Fannie and Freddie, which didn't make subprime loans but did buy subprime loans made by others, were part of the problem. Poor congressional oversight was part of the problem. Banks that sought to meet CRA requirements by indiscriminately doling out loans to minorities may have been part of the problem. But none of these issues is the cause of the problem. Not by a long shot. From the beginning, subprime has been a symptom, not a cause. And the notion that the Community Reinvestment Act is somehow responsible for poor lending decisions is absurd."

 

Now, repubicans have controlled the house, senate and presidency from 2000-2006. how can you blame the democrats for not getting regulations passed? if they had the votes, why didn't they pass it? its another ridiculous notion, just like your claim no republicans have gotten rich off this mess. how about rick davis, mccains campaign manager?

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html

 

everyone likes to trump out this other factod about obama getting more money than mccain from fannie and freddie. obama has raised probably close to half a billion dollars, mostly from ordinary folks. Of course his totals are going to be high! why don't you look at the contributions made by the actual exectuives of these companies, not the average worker?

McCain has taken more from Lobbyists & Officers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac then Obama - $169,900 for McCain & $16,000 to Obama!

 

is obama the most qualified candidate ever for the office of the presidency? of course not. i wish he had waited 4 more years, built up is resume and run then. but these are the candidates we're stuck with, and it comes down to a choice of who you want to lead the country, and the type of judgements they'll make. for all the experience mccain has, he was wrong about iraq, he was wrong about the economy, he was wrong in his entire campaign strategy. experience only matters if it backs up good judgement. mccain simply has not displayed this. obama has.

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Igor, much of what you posted is just not true. You can site liberal sources like Rolling Stone (FFS) or the NY Times all you want, but if you're not living in America you're clearly not seeing how left wing they are and how they cater to the Obama campaign.

 

Ayers did help Obama start his career. They sat together and gave speeches together as members on the board of the Woods foundation.

 

J. Wright is a racist and Obama sat in his church for 20+ years and 'claims' he never heard his radical sermons.

 

He is friends w/ Rezko and with him built low income housing to 'help' the lower class of Illinois. The only problem, that housing was so poorly built it's boarded up or about to be condemned. Btw, Rezko is going to jail, likely for the rest of his life and will be sentenced around election day (no one will care at that point)

 

Your #'s about Fannie nad Freddie donations are just wrong.

 

These associations highlight is youth, his lack of judgement, and his ability to do and say anything in the name of political expediency to get in the white house instead of having real experience.

 

Look, i'm a conservative. I know it's probably more popular for me to jump on the Obama bandwagon. I wanted to in the begging, but as I found out more more, I can't vote for a guy who's going to take 7-8% of our GDP and give it to the rest of the world as a part of a Wolrd Poverty act. The gov't already takes a nice chunk of my money in taxes. I'll be damned if i'm going to allow them to take more so they can decide how to spend it.

 

McCain's a republican, but he's liberal as hell. I'd love a do-over, but we're stuck w/ one of these two. At least McCain has a 'little' experience to fall back on. Our bail out package is already hurting Americans and will soon ripple to your economy. Limited gov't, not expanded, is the way we'll get out of this by allowing people to make their own decisions instead of the gov't thinking they know best. I'm not talking about complete deregulation of everything.

 

Sorry for the long posts, it's something i'm passionate about, if you'd like to talk about something specific I'd be glad to. I know I'm not going to make any friends posting anti-Obama anything. I'm just at a loss for all the britons who'll slag (and not even read certain websites, magazines, newspapers, watch skysports, etc), sometimes with very...very good reason, telling me that there isn't bias here.

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