Donald Trump

[Naz17]

For any right wingers reading this, Hades is saying you are thick cunts.

I doubt there are many right wingers on a Liverpool forum.

[Pidge]

I don't think anyone is banned from anywhere due to there religion are they? Unless you're Jewish, let's not open that can of worms though!

 

No... of course that's not what this is about...

[Jose Jones]

I don't think anyone is banned from anywhere due to there religion are they? Unless you're Jewish, let's not open that can of worms though!

I think if you are from Israel or even if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport there are countries that will ban you.

Don't think it's a Jewish ban.

[Pidge]

No I'm not.

 

Well that IS the shit show you just said 52% of the nation "basically" voted for.  The first test of our fortitude and "sovereignty" since brexit and we were on our knees in front of the whole fucking world. The country's values are being weighed and measured for resale and people are not very happy about it.

[njackets]

Erdogan, Putin and Assad aren't on the Balmoral guest-list right now...

I think this state visit was booked in advance, whoever would of won and sworn in would have got a meet and greet with the Queen.

[cloggypop]

I doubt there are many right wingers on a Liverpool forum.

You haven't seen sixcrazyminutes.com then?

[njackets]

I think if you are from Israel or even if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport there are countries that will ban you.

Don't think it's a Jewish ban.

Ironicaly how many of those counties are on the US ban list I wonder...

[cloggypop]

Ironicaly how many of those counties are on the US ban list I wonder...

Israel actually bans its own citizens from most of the US ban list countries. It's about 6 out of the 7.

[Naz17]

Well that IS the shit show you just said 52% of the nation "basically" voted for. The first test of our fortitude and "sovereignty" since brexit and we were on our knees in front of the whole fucking world. The country's values are being weighed and measured for resale and people are not very happy about it.

I don't agree with this.

[cloggypop]

Trump's voter fraud expert registered in 3 states

 

https://apnews.com/80497cfb5f054c9b8c9e0f8f5ca30a62?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

[KopOut]

Personally, I din't give a flying fuck for the man, but honestly, Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize for bombing babies, but already Trump is the enemy of the free world?

 

As always, Pilger is succinct. The seeds of Fascism have long been sown.

 

http://johnpilger.com/articles/this-week-the-issue-is-not-trump-it-is-ourselves-

[njackets]

Israel actually bans its own citizens from most of the US ban list countries. It's about 6 out of the 7.

How would they enforce this though? I know this is not a likely scenario but what if an Israeli wanted to travel to Iran from another country?

[njackets]

The counter petition....

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

[Strontium]

How would they enforce this though? I know this is not a likely scenario but what if an Israeli wanted to travel to Iran from another country?

 

They don't need to enforce it, because those countries won't let anyone in with an Israeli passport.

 

It's a bit of a futile gesture anyway, because Israeli citizens were banned from those countries well before Israel imposed its own ban.

[Strontium]

The counter petition....

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

 

"U.K. is a country that supports free speech and does not believe that people that appose our point of view should be gagged"

 

"Appose"? What a cretin.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Acting Attorney General issues instructions for travel ban not to be defended as she has concerns about its legality.

 

A few hours later, she's sacked by Trump. He's a loose cannon.

[polymerpunkah]

The Monday Night Massacre?

 

Quite a few US diplomats are expressing their opposition by signing letters of protest, an accepted process within the  State Department.

 

The WH response:

 

 

 

“These career bureaucrats have a problem with it?” he [spicer] said during his daily press briefing. “I think they should either get with the program or they can go.”

 

I figured this was going to be an interesting four years, but he's exceeding my expectations bigly.

[Jose Jones]

KopOut, on 31 Jan 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

Personally, I din't give a flying fuck for the man, but honestly, Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize for bombing babies, but already Trump is the enemy of the free world?

 

As always, Pilger is succinct. The seeds of Fascism have long been sown.

 

http://johnpilger.com/articles/this-week-the-issue-is-not-trump-it-is-ourselves-

It's an interesting piece, as ever. Unfortunately far too Obama-hating in it's focus - obviously deliberately, but when you omit the historical setting (e.g. the Bushes, Reagan and Clinton administrations) of Obama's actions then it looks far too one-eyed for my reading. Particularly when Pilger then skimps on detail of various claims (as he'd have to in a reasonably concise article).

Also obviously penned two weeks ago, before Trump actually enacted anything. Will be interesting to see Pilger's next piece.

[polymerpunkah]

 

 

 fascism is, above all, a response to deep structural crises of capitalism, such as that of the 1930s

 

Mussolini was way ahead of the curve.

[Captain]

Now he's sacked the attorney general for not standing up for his executive order.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805944

[dennis tooth]

You're missing the point. Given that there are people who want to protest at injustices, the rational thing would be for them to protest against what they believe is the greatest injustice. A selective immigration policy does not compare to what Mugabe is doing to his people. Therefore it must be that there are other motivations for this protest outside of humanity issues. Which clearly are political.

Sorry mate but it's not just here they are protesting it.

It's a legitimate protest and if more did it there and elsewhere instead of watching xfacter and toggling their playstation thumbs perhaps the world's biggest superpowers military would consider winding it's neck in.

[Scott_M]

A totally other story but maybe he's focusing his attentions in the wrong place...

 

[Scott_M]

Not that I agree with it (and I don't) but without sounding disparaging, I think to much is being made of this.

 

Aren't the bans for 90 days? How many people from these countries are meant to be visiting the US in this time period? I doubt it's the 'millions' being quoted.

 

It's not like countries banning you from places you've visited or anything.

 

And the protests here are pathetic. What are the protests like in Yemen & Iraq? Are they gathering in town centres distraught they can't go to Disney World?

 

Like anybody in Trumps administration gives a fuck. The irony being that 52% of our country wanted stronger immigration & would be happier with we just banned everybody.

[PestiRed]

Always surprised by the number of hoops that my American colleagues are expected to jump through to get in various countries. Suspect that all this is not going to make it easier for them

[Jose Jones]

Not that I agree with it (and I don't) but without sounding disparaging, I think to much is being made of this.

 

Aren't the bans for 90 days? How many people from these countries are meant to be visiting the US in this time period? I doubt it's the 'millions' being quoted.

 

It's not like countries banning you from places you've visited or anything.

 

And the protests here are pathetic. What are the protests like in Yemen & Iraq? Are they gathering in town centres distraught they can't go to Disney World?

 

Like anybody in Trumps administration gives a fuck. The irony being that 52% of our country wanted stronger immigration & would be happier with we just banned everybody.

Nah man.

It's the easiest and quickest way that Trump could demonise a group of people. It's already fucked up a load of refugees fleeing war zones most often caused by the yanks themselves.

However it's the deliberate attempt to "other-ise" Muslims and brown people both inside and outside the US that is the worst.

 

If you were a Muslim, particularly in the US, but also in the U.K. I'm pretty sure you'd feel a lot more unsafe right now.