The New Star Wars Films

[Ian Sea]

I agree with Section about the New Republic/First Order. I know what's happening but it's not clear and given that all I saw of the New Republic was a few people standing on a balcony in TFA, I have no connection with it. We should have seen the New Republic in action with people living in peace before the First Order rose up and took over.

[Ian Sea]

Given his co-writer for Episode 9 also co-wrote the shambles that was Batman v Superman I hope they have something good in mind.

 

If anything Rian Johnson cleared up some of the mess JJ himself caused by creating this whole big mystery over Rey's parentage which was never going to end in her being a Solo or Skywalker.

 

Looking forward to seeing what they come up with to close this all off. Hopefully it will all fit together well and I'm sure it will.

I hate the way the subject of Rey's parents has been handled. TFA alluded to them being known to us with a number of massive hints; the X wing pilot doll, X wing pilot helmet, The Millenium Falcon being owned by the person that 'raised' Rey. So it's obvious that JJ Abrams meant for her parents to be a Solo or Skywalker or whoever. I don't mind the route that Johnson has gone in TLJ (I'd prefer her not to have parents we know) but it undermines what we saw in TFA.

 

The way Johnson dealt with it was sloppy as shit too. Rey wouldn't be interested in 'who' her parents are, she never says they're Jedi so why would Kylo tell her "your parents are nobody". He's obviously talking to the audience and not Rey here. Rey's question would be 'where are my parents' whether they were Jedi or scrap dealers. Also, we see her parents fly off in a spacecraft in TFA which doesn't quite fit with the story given in TLJ. They give their kid away as they haven't got a pot to piss in but they still have a spaceship? What?

 

They should have had the same director to all 3 films, it would have been much more consistent that way.

[Tyler Durden]

I can't quite remember what it was that got said but I thought there was a bit of dialogue between Ren and Rey that left it open as to who her parents were. Seemed to me like he was just trying to convince her they didn't want her in order to get her to join him

[Tyler Durden]

I thought it was good but could have been done better. The Leia bit was ridiculous to be honest

[Scott_M]

Thinking about Snoke, the reaction to his death is way over the top. People saying that we don't enough about him seem to not remember that we knew nothing about the Emperor until the prequels. In Star Wars he's mentioned in one line. In Empire he appears on screen for about two minutes. In Return of the Jedi he sits on his throne, mouths off about how powerful he is, tortures Luke and then gets thrown down a hole by his protégé. How is that different to Snoke in these new movies? It took three full prequels to give us the Emperor's back story, we had none of it in the original movies so I find it strange that everyone now needs to know everything about Snoke.

 

I completely agree, I was saying the same at work yesterday to somebody. Did the prequels really enhance the Emperors or even Darth Vader’s character? If anything, they detracted from their power in the originals, especially Vadar, who they managed to turn from the biggest bad ass in the galaxy to the biggest pussy.

 

Similar not knowing the what the First Order stands for. Did anybody care what the Empire wanted? They want to rule the Galaxy and that’s that.

 

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have done it because the prequels made a horrific job of ‘enhancing’ the characters and story, but I can see why they didn’t if they are sticking to the originals blue print.

 

Not everything needs spelling out, the mystery of not knowing only adds to the intrigue IMO.

[Scott_M]

The way Johnson dealt with it was sloppy as shit too. Rey wouldn't be interested in 'who' her parents are, she never says they're Jedi so why would Kylo tell her "your parents are nobody". He's obviously talking to the audience and not Rey here. Rey's question would be 'where are my parents' whether they were Jedi or scrap dealers. Also, we see her parents fly off in a spacecraft in TFA which doesn't quite fit with the story given in TLJ. They give their kid away as they haven't got a pot to piss in but they still have a spaceship? What?

 

Kylo seen tells her where they are - dead in a shallow grave in the desert.

 

To moan they have a space ship in a galaxy where space travel is a bit like having a car, seems secondary - if it was even their ship, but really, does it matter if it was or wasn’t?

[Scott_M]

Somebody has posted about Luke, for a split second, going to kill Kylo Ren and then not doing it not being in keeping with his character?

 

I’d suggest the end of ROTJ where he’s on the brink of killing Vadar and then pulling back suggests it is.

 

I do think a lot of the complaints in here are somewhat nonsensical. Most of the stuff is explainable if you think about it and other bits riff off the original which aren’t important.

 

The only bits I rolled my eyes a bit at was Leia Marry Poppins impression, the horse riding bit was straight out the prequels and Del Toro’s character was somewhat pointless. I really enjoyed the rest.

[Red74]

Giving the keys to this film to Rian Johnson was the equivalent of Homer Simpson’s long lost brother letting him design the next car.

 

Anyway, this is a good way to waste on hour on why this movie was so shit

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cL5oCP0VIEI

[Scott_M]

Look at the state of them 4. Never touched a woman's breast between them.

[Red74]

Look at the state of them 4. Never touched a woman's breast between them.

You may be right, but they’re not taking about the death of Hugh Hefner are they

[Scott_M]

You may be right, but they’re not taking about the death of Hugh Hefner are they

What a complete set of dweebs.

 

Maybe they should over analyse why they are such fat virgins who still live with their Mom’s instead of a film.

[Red74]

What a complete set of dweebs.

 

Maybe they should over analyse why they are such fat virgins who still live with their Mom’s instead of a film.

Put the knife down Scott

[RedKnight]

I'll be interested to see what Red Letter Media think of it because they were pretty down on Rogue One and they seem very jaded with Hollywood's output as a whole.

[Jockey]

I loved it - difficult with bridging films of a trilogy, can't give too much away and need to set everything up. Felt different to the Empire Strikes Back as I think it has set it up for the next one to take place further in the future than Return of the Jedi. 

[Red74]

I'll be interested to see what Red Letter Media think of it because they were pretty down on Rogue One and they seem very jaded with Hollywood's output as a whole.

I’ve just googled this and I think this is where Scott M should be redirecting his rage. I think I’ve just broke my toes with cringe watching these 3 nonces.

 

Although they deny it, everyone who got the golden ticket to the premiers has raved about this film to make sure they’re invited to the next one.

 

Edit:: I’ll have a look for their Rogue 1 review as I thought that was also another shit fest that completely lacked any soul or charm.

[Scott_M]

I’m not raging. I just can’t fathom why they’d spend an hour filming, countless hours preparing and then re-discussing the same points again afterwards.

 

Do they have nothing better to do? Looking at the state of them, obviously not.

[Pureblood]

What I find odd is why Rey and Finn care about each other so much.  They don't spend any time together in this movie and were separated a lot in TFA.  Where's it going?  

[Red74]

I’m not raging. I just can’t fathom why they’d spend an hour filming, countless hours preparing and then re-discussing the same points again afterwards.

Do they have nothing better to do? Looking at the state of them, obviously not.

It’s a review site Scott. It might be their job. They’ve pretty much nailed everything what’s wrong with this film mate

[Red74]

What I find odd is why Rey and Finn care about each other so much. They don't spend any time together in this movie and were separated a lot in TFA. Where's it going?

 

Edit: they spend a lot of time together in TFA. The film revolves around them meeting up on Jakku.

 

I honestly don’t think Johnson had any idea what to do with Finn in this. He’d have been better staying in a coma and waking up to help the resistance on Crait. That whole casino section looks like it was thrown together at the last minute after the film had wrapped and Disney have asked where Finn is.

 

This film would have been a better episode 9 or made as a filler between 7 & 8.

[Rico1304]

Thought it was quite good, not the best ever but I was ten when the best ever one was made.

 

If any of you lot have ever complained about your birds watching soaps and getting too into them then you need a word. Huge presumption of course.

[Dave D]

Edit: they spend a lot of time together in TFA. The film revolves around them meeting up on Jakku.

 

I honestly don’t think Johnson had any idea what to do with Finn in this. He’d have been better staying in a coma and waking up to help the resistance on Crait. That whole casino section looks like it was thrown together at the last minute after the film had wrapped and Disney have asked where Finn is.

 

This film would have been a better episode 9 or made as a filler between 7 & 8.

 

The Casino bit could have been much better- as you say, it seemed rushed. I thought the high roller guy in the white jacket was going to have a part to play in events    

[Section_31]

I actually find Fin's character quite odd, I like him as a charcter but his backstory doesn't really jive with the way he acts. A supersoldier psychologically manipulated from birth to be a killer with no identity to the point where he doesn't even have a name, yet he's not only seemingly well adjusted and a good laugh but isn't actually very good at fighting.

 

I think his storyline was plucked from the expanded universe books (Allegiance is about four stormtroopers ordered to burn a village who can't  go through with it so go on the run and form their own version of the A Team), much the same way as Ren's story line is plucked from the books (Han and Leia's kid Jacen Solo is a pupil of Luke's who turns to the Dark Side).  

[Red74]

Thought it was quite good, not the best ever but I was ten when the best ever one was made.

 

If any of you lot have ever complained about your birds watching soaps and getting too into them then you need a word. Huge presumption of course.

Yeah, it reminded me of that episode of Corrie when curly watts and Kevin Webster went on a wild goose chase to the casino and come home in a taxi that was shaped like an iron and the scene segued into Bet Lynch ironing Ken Barlows shirts.

[Red74]

The Casino bit could have been much better- as you say, it seemed rushed. I thought the high roller guy in the white jacket was going to have a part to play in events

 

Apparently, he was the actual hacker they needed to speak too. It was just so fortunate that they got locked up in the same cell with another hacker who could get them on to the flying Death Star to do what they needed to do who then just walks out of his cell as easy as he liked.

[RedKnight]

I actually find Fin's character quite odd, I like him as a charcter but his backstory doesn't really jive with the way he acts. A supersoldier psychologically manipulated from birth to be a killer with no identity to the point where he doesn't even have a name, yet he's not only seemingly well adjusted and a good laugh but isn't actually very good at fighting.

 

I think his storyline was plucked from the expanded universe books (Allegiance is about four stormtroopers ordered to burn a village who can't go through with it so go on the run and form their own version of the A Team), much the same way as Ren's story line is plucked from the books (Han and Leia's kid Jacen Solo is a pupil of Luke's who turns to the Dark Side).

He wasn't a soldier for most of his time, he was in sanitation.