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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/20/tory-mp-from-slave-owning-family-set-to-gain-3m-from-sale-of-former-plantation Making money from the sale of slavery assets in 2024, always a good look

The crank right like Miriam Cates and others are bemoaning things like the ahem indigenous birth rate, National Trust wokery pointing out trillions were made from Empire and slavery, the decline in educational performance and kids’ behaviour in school etc. and at the same time uphold an economic system that requires two adults to work exhausting hours in order to maintain a roof over their head, and pay endless increasing bills. Obviously if you suggest a Nordic style settlement so people can start to balance their lives and communities can rebuild then it’s front page Daily Heil anti commie propaganda for you.

Another Brexit bonus, the wins just keep on piling up- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/migrant-workers-greater-risk-modern-slavery-brexit-research

Dave touched on it recently and it got a full airing in this podcast: what defines the Klopp era is the home form. My record in games I've been at under Klopp is P35 W28 D7 L0 F100 A27. That doesn't tell the whole story though. Only once did Liverpool take the lead and fail to win, and that was the 5-5 draw with Arsenal in the League Cup that was won on penalties. Most incredibly though, they've gone behind 13 times in those games. 13! The consensus yesterday was that the Man City-Arsenal game was dogshit viewing, Mr Freedom-For-Catalonia-Slavery-For-Abu-Dhabi and his (footballing) protege stinking the place out with their forensic view of the game. Chris seemed a little awkward about saying it has been a privilege to get to see so many games with Klopp as the manager. I'm quite unabashed about it. It's been such a thrill, and when things go to shit (relatively speaking) in the next few years, I'm determined that I'll view this period as a case of 'tis better to have loved and lost' than marinating in misery.

That he’d sell his children into slavery to be in. worldfootballDT Player Valuation: £225k Today at 1:25 PM Add bookmark #22,198 Thank god its not the champions league. Could care less if they won Europa. Second tier competition for failures.

Have a proper read of that post. Obviously, some black Americans are well off despite the racist legacy of slavery and many white Americans are doing poorly despite the racist legacy of slavery; but the overwhelming mountains of evidence of centuries of economic history is that black Americans have had the shitty end of the stick since 1619. Morally, payback time is long overdue; that means redressing the long-standing imbalance of investment in communities, by tipping the balance the other way until some sort of fairness can be achieved.

Obviously, I know that slavery is not the only aspect of colonialism, and obviously there's no reason to draw the line at slavery when you're talking about colonialism. Equally obviously, any talk of "bloodlines" is bullshit and needs to be avoided. Maybe "descendants" was the wrong word. The point is that the USA still lives with the legacy of slavery; for some, it's a legacy of wealth and privilege; for others, it's a legacy of poverty and oppression. And which side of that legacy you fall on depends on (the social construct of race). In the USA, the impact of slavery never ended. Reconstruction was botched, Jim Crow laws, segregation, mass incarceration, zoning laws, voter suppression, the deliberate underfunding of black-majority schools, the "war on drugs", etc, etc; all of these (and more) have their basis in racist ideas that were created to justify slavery and are still used today to disadvantage black Americans. If you are serious about removing barriers, you need to be serious about how widespread and deeply entrenched those barriers are and the cost of removing them (e.g. with increased investment to make up for decades of under-investment in black Americans' housing, education, healthcare, etc.). That would be a huge transfer of wealth and power from (for want of better terminology) White America (specifically, rich white Americans) to Black America. That transfer is what I understand by "reparations".

Slavery is not the only element of colonialism, you would have to draw the line there, which will make some people unhappy. Slavery ended generations ago, who are descendants of the slavers now? How wold you compensate descendants of the slaves, would you look at their current assets and give proportionally, or would you look at purity of their blood line? What you exclude mixed race people, or descendant of immigrants who were not slaves? Not to mention that you would be expected to go further and compensate descendants of other groups. In the end, you would simply create new injustices. It would be much better to focus at removing barriers and create equal opportunities for current generation as much as you can.

Reparations for Slavery is a nightmare for any government to deal with. Where do you stop. Asians and Africans want it from European powers. The Brits,Eastern Europeans would want it fron the Vikings. All of Europe and North Africa and Middle East goes after Rome. The Europeans then go at the North Africans for the Barbery Pirates. All the while the Arab states tell everyone to fuck off when they where sone of the first at it and it still pretty much goes on now with them and all through Africa The only people who'd end up rich are the lawyers

UK NEWS WEBSITE OF THE YEAR News Sport Health Money Business Opinion Israel Ukraine Royals Life & Style Travel Culture Puzzles Jump to navigation Barry John: the greatest Lion of them all By Mark Reason29 May 2005 • 12:01am In pictures: Who is the greatest? The sun was setting over South Africa's Kruger National Park and the skyline was as red as Andy Ripley's back. A large group of British Lions were sitting round the main table playing a drinking game called 'Thumper' that was hard to understand, but which seemed like the greatest game ever invented. The face of Mervyn Davies was shrouded beneath a floppy hat and 48 hours of stubble. He never seemed to lose. To an 11-year-old boy in 1974 these men were gods. Was any one of the gods sitting round that table the greatest Lion ever? Probably only an 11-year-old boy could really give you an answer worth having because the Lions do not conform to the usual weights and measures that calibrate sporting achievement. The Lions deal in wonderment. They are about a deeper magic that journalists have long since forgotten. John Dawes, the centre who played for Wales through much of the Sixties, was a very good passer of the ball. John Dawes, the Welshman who captained the Lions in 1971, was an almost mythical person. It would be no great surprise to find out that he actually didn't exist. Willie John McBride, the captain of the unbeaten Lions in 1974, did exist - unmistakeably so. Perhaps he was more of a man than a rugby player, but he was always there. He was there when the Lions went to South Africa in 1962 and he was still there when they returned 12 years later. But when Willie John walked the planet, Frik du Preez and Colin Meads were both more revered forwards. McBride had longevity and presence, but he never breathed the magic that the greatest Lion must surely have. Nor did Martin Johnson. He was another presence and perhaps a more athletic forward than McBride. But Johnson is a modern-day Meads without the charisma and the range of ball skills. He is a player you respect rather than admire. It's not enough. That seems true of many of the forwards. Richard Hill played in the first two Tests in 1997 and the opening Test and a half in 2001. Each time he left the field the Lions were ahead. Dean Richards was more of a cult figure than Hill, but just as respected by his peers on the 1989 and 1993 tours and just as influential. But both men are shadows. They play like ghosts in the machine. Our hero needs to be more dramatic. The greatest Lion has to be the stuff of which dreams are made. He has to come from the early Seventies when rugby players were known by their first names or their set of initials. He could be JPR, if only JPR Williams had been a slightly more dazzling athlete. He could be TGR, but Gerald Davies was not in a position to dominate. He could be CMH, but Mike Gibson was a little too self-contained. He could be Phil, except for too long Phil Bennett was second best. He is none of those, because the greatest Lion of all can only be one of two men. I suspect that most people's choice would be Gareth Edwards. Gibson, who went on three Lions tours with Edwards, calls him "Enormous. It is the strength of the man that sets him apart and his determination. He was just a competitor who preferred victory." Before the third Test in New Zealand in 1971 it had been feared that the man who preferred victory would not be fit to play. Edwards not only played, he almost uprooted Bob Burgess's head from his neck with a ferocious hand-off that led to a try. Three years later Edwards had become the leader of the Lions, if not their captain. The Lions forwards dominated in South Africa, but it was Edwards's powerful tactical kicking that was the articulation of that dominance. One England forward watching the first Test from the stands said, "Where would we be without Gareth. The man's just magic. I can't clap him or anything when I watch him play. I just sit there with my mouth open. Reverse passes, 30-yard passes, brilliant kicks under pressure, strength, guts, tackle, speed - the lot. When he throws the ball out at Twickenham, it would finish up at London airport if Phil Bennett didn't stop it." In pics: Lions v Argentina Woodward's squad 2005 Itinerary Management Lions homepage The All Blacks Other opponents Captain's profile Previous Tours Such a magic man would have to be the greatest Lion ever, if only one other man, possessed of a deeper magic, didn't stand apart. He spent his whole playing career standing apart. There was no one to touch him. One New Zealand flanker said of him: "Barry John rolled his eyes and I fell over." Mike Gibson admits that he has a romantic hankering for the backline of 1959, for players such as Peter Jackson, Bev Risman and Tony O'Reilly, but then he returns to Barry John. Gibson says wryly, "B is for brilliant, A is for artistic..." and lets you finish the rest. "He was the name of the 1971 tour. His control of the game and his composure influenced all the other players. They're very important assets at the highest level. His brain operated at a speed that would allow him to do all the things he wanted to do. "It's not something you would be aware of just viewing the match, but if you experienced playing with him, being in his company, he had a marked influence on players, even on the forwards who had a complete faith in what the backline was going to do. In the most difficult circumstances he was in control. Why should I worry?" Barry John could do so many things that no player has done before or since. Like a boxer stepping inside to throw a punch he would come in to take an opponent's space in the subtlest of manners and leave him confused. He stole people's time. Rodney Webb, the man who developed the modern rugby ball, also believes that John was the greatest kicker of all time. These days the balls are coated in a laminate used on the hulls of giant oil tankers, have dimpled surfaces, unobtrusive lacing and multi panels. In the Seventies they soaked up water, swerved all over the place and were placed in the mud and slime when kicking for goal. Webb, who played for England between 1967 and 1972, says: "Barry John's punting was phenomenal. He could drop the ball on a sixpence and he could do it every time. He was a genius at reading a game as well, and his goal kicking was so accurate that he didn't just break all the records when the Lions toured in New Zealand in 1971, he smashed them. All these improvements [in the ball] help the kickers of today to such an extent that comparisons in their favour are heavily loaded. Even so I am absolutely certain that Barry John is still King. What a player." Before the first Test in New Zealand John was instructed by coach Carwyn James to give full-back Fergie McCormick a hard time. Each time McCormick thought he had the ball it would drift just out of reach. Time and again he was deceived. John made McCormick look silly, which he certainly wasn't. But McCormick didn't play again in the series, just as James and John had intended all along. He didn't play again for New Zealand. During that 1971 tour a group of local evangelists were walking about with billboards asking the question, "What would you do if Jesus Christ came back to earth?" The locals used to answer over a beer, "Put him on the wing and put Bryan Williams in the centre." But after Barry John had passed through town the word was, "The Lions have already got Him and He's playing fly-half." Gareth Edwards was an astonishing physical presence, but he was recognisable as living on the human extremes of great athleticism. John's presence was more ephemeral. He did things that you couldn't quite understand. Then, right at the peak of his powers, he retired. A year or two later he gave a Tonga badge to a little boy sitting on the concrete steps of the old Cardiff Arms Park. It felt like gold. The king was gone, but the magic remained. And it is the magic that makes Barry John the greatest Lion of all time. More stories The King’s diagnosis: What kind of cancer does he have? 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Dr. Ben Carson Tells Iowa Crowd That America’s History of Slavery Is ‘Nothing to be Ashamed of’ As He Campaigns for Donald Trump Former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Dr. Ben Carson, suggested that slavery should not be a source of shame for America and dismissed the idea of the existence of systemic racism while campaigning for Donald Trump on Thursday. During an event in Iowa, Carson downplayed the significance of slavery in American history, emphasizing that various societies throughout history have grappled with the issue. https://atlantablackstar.com/2024/01/12/ben-carson-says-slavery-is-nothing-to-be-ashamed-of-as-he-campaigns-for-donald-trump/

The Houthis, a great bunch of lads Exclusive - Houthis Restore Slavery in Yemen (aawsat.com)

From the Fart of the Deal guy -- Former President Donald Trump on Saturday suggested the Civil War could have been avoided through “negotiation,” arguing that the fight to end slavery in the US was ultimately unnecessary and that Abraham Lincoln should have done more to avoid bloodshed. “So many mistakes were made. See, there was something I think could have been negotiated, to be honest with you,” Trump said at a campaign event in Newton, Iowa. “I think you could have negotiated that. All the people died. So many people died.”

If we're on the subject of Von der Leyens ancestors I'm sure considering the current fashion they can now be described as fluffy and lovely. The American side of her family the Ladsons (who's name she once took) are whiter than white (literally) Also all were probably lovely, as long as you didn't have the misfortune to be born with black skin. Extremely rich plantation owners who dealt in slavery and cheap labour. They'd be proud of their girl. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ladson?s=09 Oh as you requested a tweet here's one from the hall of fame 'Israel has literally made the desert bloom' I'm glad she no longer (technically) speaks for me.

If there's work there for benefits to be paid, there's work there for a proper pay packet and benefits for them. Give them a fucking job instead of slavery you nasty tory cunts.

“Arch Brexiteer Nigel Farage has a new target in his sights: The National Trust. The former UKIP leader has now thrown his weight behind a renewed attempt by anti-woke activists to capture the Trust, which owns more than 1,300 farms, 775 miles of coastline and 250,000 hectares of land, making it Britain’s largest private landowner. In October 2021, the charity and membership organisation for heritage conservation warned of an ideological campaign being waged against it by self-styled ‘anti-woke insurgents’ belonging to Restore Trust (RT). Last year’s AGM saw the Trust subjected to a well-coordinated campaign by RT. The Restore Trust campaign began in 2021, in the wake of the publication of a report by the National Trust that highlighted connections between 93 of its historic places and slavery. The dossier of sites linked to ‘colonialism and slavery’ and included Winston Churchill’s former family home, citing the former prime minister’s role in the Bengal famine and his opposition to Indian independence. RT took exception to the report claiming it “presents a strongly negative view of Britain, and which does not properly represent the scholarly consensus.” Now the RT has a new list of candidates for the upcoming council elections and, this time, they’ve been endorsed by Nigel Farage, who is a family friend of one of the candidates. Earlier this month, seven-time failed parliamentary candidate Nigel Farage said: “I hope that Restore Trust knocks a bit of common sense into what was once the great National Trust.” Among Restore Trust’s candidates is Farage’s friend Lady Violet Manners. Yorkshire Bylines reports: “Manners is the eldest daughter of UKIP supporter the Duke of Rutland and her family’s estate, Belvoir Castle, has hosted fundraising events for the party. Farage has been a dinner guest at the castle which boasts 356 rooms and 16,000 acres of land.” Other candidates include Philip Merricks, who has drawn criticism in the past over his links to the grouse shooting industry, as well as Lord Jonathan Sumption who is reported to have earned the highest legal fee in British history when as a barrister he defended the Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich in the controversial Berezovsky vs Abramovich case of 2012. Candidate Andrew Gimson is described as a brilliant sketch writer by Charles Moore, his close friend and former editor of the Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph and the Spectator. “

Not really, about 12.5 million people were trafficked in the transatlantic slave trade; up to 17 million in the Arab slave trade, which lasted much longer. Although if you ask me I think the bigger scandal is the 50 or so million people still in slavery today.

Making bank. https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/history-of-slavery/west-africa

You know they weren't the only African nation selling slaves, right? There's not a single territory in western Africa that wasn't involved. Slavery existed in Africa for centuries before white people ever arrived. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752 Incidentally, the Arabs were trading people in east Africa a thousand years before the transatlantic trade was up and running. Where are the demands for Arab states to pay reparations? Why is the focus always on the West?

Even if you accept the basic premise that you should make people responsible for the things their ancestors did, how do you go about establishing who owes what to whom? There would have been no transatlantic slave trade had Africans not sold their fellow Africans into slavery in the first place, so African countries surely have no valid claim. They made bank already. This leaves the people in the Americas, as descendants of the slaves. Except, as geneological studies repeatedly show us, are they not just the descendants of slaves, but also of white slavers too? Does Ainsley Harriott pay himself reparations because his white great-great-grandfather James Harriott was a slaver? Can we in Britain claim reparations from Italy because of the Romans? Can we claim reparations from Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Turkey because of Barbary corsairs? Can I claim reparations from the Egyptians? What an absolute rum do.

Top story on the app, you lazy cunt. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/22/uk-cannot-ignore-calls-for-slavery-reparations-says-leading-un-judge-patrick-robinson?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Just seen the guardian headline on reparations. Honestly I've no idea where I stand on that issue. I'm not educated enough on the subject matter. Human history is one long line of the abuses of power. Every race has been on both sides of the coin the biggest disgrace of all being the legal slavery of black people so close to modern times. You compensate one issue for want of a better word and there's a million more atrocities created by those who could so did. Yet it feels just ignoring it isn't the right thing to do. I think Rich countries should be elevating poorer countries regardless of historical abuses. Shit show species.

In many ways the worst aspect of slavery was being asked to play a rudimentary pastime for hundreds of thousands of pounds a week. It's about time we faced up to our history.

And Andrew Pierce has the answer: slavery.