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Anyone else wishing the footy had been put on lockdown like everything else? We need a factory reset.

 

Watching us at the moment is like when my mac freezes and I’m staring at the spinny disk thing waiting for it to correct itself. It rarely does and it usually needs switching off and on again to start working normally again.

 

The Reds aren’t going to have that luxury though. They have to play through this slump but the fixtures aren’t getting any easier for us. Not that any fixture is easy at the moment anyway. We probably wouldn’t even beat Sheffield United right now, and they’ve still got more subs than points. Shit, you just know Brewster would bang in a last minute equaliser given the way things are going for us right now.

 

Once again we weren’t good enough. One shot on target is fucking abysmal. The overall performance wasn’t bad and it was really just a lack of cutting edge that did us in. We controlled possession, moved the ball around into the right areas and I’d say did 90% of what Klopp wanted us to do. That final 10% killed us though. Zero quality in attacking areas and virtually zero for their keeper to worry about.

 

When things don’t go well the first thing I always focus on is us. How did we play? What did we do wrong? Were we unlucky or did we not do enough? I rarely look for excuses and I’m not doing that now either. I can see that our attacking play has not been anywhere near what it needs to be.

 

There are a lot of things to be concerned about currently and I’ll get to that in more detail shortly. We’re not playing well, we aren’t creating enough and the side has been unbalanced by those injuries in defence. We’re in a bad run and we have to battle through it.

 

You know what you need when you’re in runs like this? You need a break and you need to be playing on a level playing field. The only luck we’re getting is bad and the playing field is currently so slanted I’m surprised the players aren’t falling off it. 

 

We had TWO clear penalties completely ignored in this game. And fuck all is being said about it, either on commentary or in the post match analysis. Why is that?

 

I’ll tell you why. Because either consciously or sub-consciously, everyone seems to have the attitude that “well if you’re as good as everyone says you shouldn’t need any help from the refs”. 

 

The ‘sexy’ media story is “what’s wrong with Liverpool?” and no-one wants to point out that we are being held to a much higher standard than everyone else. We’ve had 12 subjective VAR decisions go against us this season. The next highest is apparently five. That’s a fucking incredible margin. Seven more subjective decisions against us than the next highest. 

 

Yet apparently mentioning this is just an excuse and we should be looking at the performances of our players and not the refs. Can we not do both then? 

 

“Crying about penalties when you only had one shot on target”. What, so because we’re struggling for form we aren’t entitled to have referees enforce the rules of the game? Get to fuck. I can say that we aren’t playing at our best but I can also say we’re continually being fucked over by officials. Both are true and pointing out one of them is not turning a blind eye to the other.

 

United are being lauded to the fucking rooftops but they haven’t been better than us this season. Not even close. It sure helps though that any time you’re struggling you can rely on the refs giving you a penalty or two to help you on your way. If we had that luxury the table would look a lot like it did last year.

 

It’s like I’ve been saying. It’s not that the penalties United get are blatantly not penalties (barring some glaring exceptions), it’s just that every appeal they have seems to be given. Whereas with us, those same type of calls are ignored. And when they aren’t given no-one cares because “they even out over a season” or “you didn’t play well enough, focus on that”.

 

Honestly, it’s fucking scandalous what we’ve been subjected to at times this season. Our players are fouled in the box and it’s “you shouldn’t need penalties to beat Newcastle / Brighton / Southampton / whoever”. It’s like there’s an unofficial handicap system that’s been introduced because of how far ahead we were last season. What do you want a penalty for, aren’t you meant to be dead good?

 

I hate blaming referees as my main focus is always on what we can do better. And there are plenty of things we can be doing better right now. I’m not shying away from that. Nevertheless, a penalty is a penalty and when you aren’t being given them for clear fouls it’s just not acceptable. If the ref and VAR did their job we’d have won this game and therefore I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be extremely fucking pissed off about that.

 

Things are tough for us right now and we’re nowhere near our best. But you can’t overlook that we’re being asked to play with a deck that’s stacked against us. They were blatant fucking penalties but not only was the ref not interested, but VAR was like “nothing to see here, move along, move along”. Compare that with any decision at the other end, where it’s a five minute forensic analysis with slo mo’s and fifty different angles. 

 

There were other mad decisions too, such as the foul that was given against Salah when a defender ran into the goalkeeper and caused him to spill a cross. Mo was merely an innocent bystander and no involvement in it at all (which could also describe his second half performance actually). The only reason that disgraceful decision wasn’t a big deal was because Bobby somehow failed to put the loose ball into the empty net.

 

That cunt Marriner couldn’t blow his whistle quickly enough there. And because of how quickly he blew, VAR wouldn’t have been able to over-rule the incorrect decision and given the goal had Bobby done his job.

 

What about the lunge by Walcott on Milner late on? Studs up, dangerous, out of control. Not even a free-kick. And again, fuck all mentioned by the commentary team. They set the narrative for these things. You can’t under-estimate how much influence they have on perception with the replays they show and what they say about them.

 

They brushed off both penalties and said nothing about Walcott’s challenge. And guess what, other than Klopp nobody else wanted to talk about them either. The TV coverage has a massive impact on storylines and narratives after games.

 

Tyler and Smith did spend a good bit of time complaining about Trent stealing six yards on a throw deep in his own half though, and how much of an ‘influence’ that could have on Southampton’s ability to get up the pitch and relieve the pressure they were under. But there’s nothing untoward about that, honest. Fuck off you agenda driven cunts.

 

It’s the two penalties that need talking about though. The one on Sadio looked a pen the first time I saw it but I wasn’t sure until I saw the replays so I understand why Marriner didn’t give it on first view. It was clumsy as fuck from the defender and it wasn’t even a case of Sadio making the most of contact. He was just fouled, pure and simple. Why is VAR not telling him to check? Cunts.

 

I’m as concerned as any of you are by how poor we’ve been in the final third for large parts of this season but you just can’t brush shit like this off. It isn’t excuse making. It’s a massive handicap to overcome. Look at that pen United got against Villa last week to turn one point into three. I’m in a minority in that I actually think it was a pen, but it was nowhere near as clear as the one on Sadio here, or on Sadio at St James’ the other night for that matter.

 

Then there’s the handball. The lad comes flying out and hurls himself in front of a goal bound shot and he blocks it with a hand that is away from his body. That’s just a stone cold penalty, no ifs ands or buts about it. Look at the one given against Gomez at the Etihad and then look at this. Now tell me that the reason we aren’t clear at the top is just because of how we’re playing. You have to be almost perfect every game to be able to overcome officials who are giving you fuck all, and no team is almost perfect every game.

 

I’ve spent a lot of time so far talking about the officiating and I make no apologies for it. I could go on, as this is such a big fucking deal and there is no doubt in my mind that we are being shafted here. But there’s fuck all we can do about it, so the only thing we can do is play so well that we can overcome this handicap that has been placed on us.

 

We shouldn’t have to play with that burden on us as it’s blatantly unfair. No-one else has to play with that burden (except Burnley, who have been getting shafted like this for years) but it isn’t something we can control so we have to focus on what we can control.

 

So the first thing I’d be looking at if I’m Klopp is that front three. Refereeing aside, they were our main problem in this game. In fact, they’ve been our main problem in this bad run we’ve been on. One goal in three games. Not good enough. 

 

I’ve been saying it for a while now but they just aren’t as good as they were, collectively more so than individually. The production has dropped off from them season by season and that trend is continuing now. I haven’t checked but I’d be fairly confident that they’re on course to score less than they did last season. It’s a downward trend and it surprises me that more isn’t being made of it.

 

The pundits are still billing them as “that much vaunted front three” and always talking about how brilliant they are. BT are the worst for it. Every time we have a Champions League game Lineker, Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Owen etc are waxing lyrical about “the front three”. Lads, 2018 called, it wants it’s analysis back.

 

The numbers paint a different picture. Much like the majority of pundits, we’re guilty of judging them on how they’ve played in the past. We judge them on their good games and gloss over the bad, but there have been too many bad ones, individually and collectively. They might be great in our next game and everyone will be kissing their collective rings again and hailing them as the best forward line in world football. They aren’t. Not no more. They have too many of these games.

 

Last season we were usually able to overcome those bad games and win by the odd goal, mostly due to being tight at the other end. We no longer have that luxury. It’s not like we’re leaking loads of goals but it now feels like any one we do concede could be crucial because, and this is a bold statement I know, we can’t rely on that front three anymore because they’re too inconsistent.

 

What’s the answer? I don’t have it. All I know is that Sadio is the only untouchable for me. What happens with the other two - if anything happens with them - is a decision for Klopp and Edwards. 

 

I tell you what they won’t allow to happen though. They won’t want to let all three of them get old at the same time, as replacing all three in one swoop would cost a fortune. So I suspect it will be broken up at the end of this season but how they do that will depend on the market and who has money to spend.

 

It’s a really difficult decision to make as all three are great players and all are still contributing regularly. My issue with them isn’t about them individually, it’s about the collective. I love them all as individuals but they seem to have lost the ability to link up with each other. It happens in flashes but it used to be every fucking week. Now when they try passing to each other it invariably breaks down.

 

The first half of this game was shit. We just weren’t good enough. We gave away a goal from a set-piece after a minute but aside from that I didn’t think we were too troubled defensively. It was going forward where we looked lost. We dominate possession, pass it around, sling in a cross, pick up the loose ball and then do it all over again.

 

Much of what we do is good but no-one really notices it because we aren’t getting it done in the final third. And any lapse at the back is costly because of that.

 

Trent didn’t cover himself in glory on their goal but he was left marking two players and that may have caused a moment’s hesitation that saw him get caught under the ball and fail to clear it. 

 

The finish from Ings was brilliant although he seemed to be hinting afterwards that it was a mis-hit cross. Looked like he meant it to me, but it would typify how things are going for us if it was a fluke.

 

They also cleverly blocked off Hendo and from their perspective it’s a good goal, well worked. I can live with that. Conceding the odd goal from a set-piece is just normal. We should be able to overcome it but right now we can’t.

 

The response was good initially. We penned them back and dominated the ball. We looked to be on the brink of a breakthrough but just couldn’t produce the moment of quality we needed. It was just highly frustrating as it felt like we were in complete control but we just couldn’t create anything.

 

We started the second half really well and set about them with a purpose. They couldn’t get out of their own half and it continued like that for more or less the entire game. The chances we created were wasted and at no point in that second half did I ever think a goal was coming. I knew we wouldn’t score when the two penalties were ignored. It never rains but it pours.

 

Shaq came on for Ox and Trent was subbed for Milner as Tyler gleefully pointed out that he’d set a new record for the amount of times he gave the ball away. That’s a bullshit stat. It’s not like he kept dribbling into trouble or passing it to the opposition. It was crosses. He kept putting crosses in and Southampton kept clearing them. Robbo probably wasn’t too far behind him as that’s how we play. It feels like we’re overdoing it though, doesn’t it? Sick of seeing crosses being slung in to a box that has ten opposing players in it.

 

And why will no fucker ever take a shot? Pass pass pass pass pass pass cross pass pass pass pass cross. Too easy to defend. Have a fucking dig from the edge of the box now and again for fucks sake.

 

Sadio lacked quality but he fought his nuts off and gave absolutely everything. The lack of protection he got from Marriner was a joke. They just wrestled and held him all night. Eventually he snapped and was booked for kicking out after he didn’t get a blatant foul. I felt sorry for Mané. Most of the others seemed to feel sorry for themselves.

 

Where the fuck was Salah in that last 20 minutes? He vanished. Bobby tried but he contributed very little. The midfield controlled the ball but provided no drive or penetration to support the forwards. Thiago was pretty average really. Wijnaldum was the pick of the midfield and he was no more than a 7 out of 10 at best.

 

Hendo was fine at centre back but it highlights a major problem that needs addressing. Not only are we without a three senior centre backs (two of them for the season and the third will probably play no more than half a dozen games) but we’re also without our best number six because he’s now needed as a full time defender. And now we’re taking away another of our first choice midfield to plug him in at the back too? 

 

Fuck that. It’s not that Hendo can’t do a job there for us, it’s about what we lose in midfield. We have a defence that is missing Van Dijk and Gomez and now we have a midfield missing Henderson and Fabinho. That’s the spine of a CL and PL winning team ripped out.

 

We still had Thiago and Wijnaldum in midfield so it’s not like we’re massively understrength but all these things add up. And it has to be said that Ox contributed the square root of fuck all before he was replaced by Shaq, who was only fractionally more productive. 

 

I don’t want to judge Ox too harshly because he was out injured for months and is still finding his way back to sharpness. You want him contributing more than this though. Not sure why Minamino has been bombed out after doing well at Palace. I’d have brought him on for Firmino with 15-20 minutes left personally as he couldn’t have been worse. 

 

The sooner Jota is back the better. We’ve missed him more than we’ve missed Van Dijk. How mad does that sound? It’s true though. We aren’t scoring enough goals and the front three are erratic as fuck. The sooner Jota is back the happier I’ll be.

 

The defence has done well statistically but it is an issue that we’re having to use our best midfielders there and we therefore end up weaker in two areas. Klopp seemed to lose confidence in Williams after he was done by a ball over the top against West Brom. And he lost confidence in Phillips after he was skinned by Calum Wilson.

 

I’m not even saying he was wrong to do so and I’d say Henderson is a better option than both, but taking him out of our midfield really hurts us.

 

So I don’t care how they do it or how much they have to spend, we HAVE to buy a centre back in the next week or so and failing to do so is just unacceptable. In fact, failing to do so is basically waving the white flag on our season.

 

And while we’re at it I’ll tell you what else Klopp needs to do. He needs to make the players watch the stoppage time periods of the last few games and ask them just what the fuck they were thinking taking short corners when we were already well over the allocated time added on. 

 

I don’t remember if it was West Brom or Newcastle, but it was defo one of them. And it happened again in this one. It’s braindead beyond belief. You could actually see Marriner looking at them like “I’m trying to give you time to take it here, but you’re taking the fucking piss”. If it happens again then fines need to be handed out.

 

We’re not in a good place mentally. You can see it. The players are shaken by what’s happening. They’ll come through it because they’re winners, but how much damage will have been done before they get their mojo back? That’s the worry. 

 

And it’s a double edged sword. As our confidence has dropped, City and United have been given a huge shot in the arm because it wasn’t so long ago that neither of them believed they had a chance. Now United can’t believe their luck. Any time they’re in trouble the refs are bailing them out and then they see us dropping points all over the fucking shop.

 

With a level playing field they’re nowhere near us but in this current climate of officiating then I don’t see how you can fail to be concerned about them. As I said, we need to start playing at a level where the referees performance doesn’t have such a significant impact on us. 

 

Our next league game is United and we’ll not only have to beat them but we’ll no doubt have to overcome whatever the officials throw at us too. It’s not fair that we should have to do that but that’s the situation. Our margin for error is tiny at the moment and Klopp needs to get that siege mentality going.

 

Ordinarily I wouldn’t give a fuck about Villa in the cup but that now has added importance. There’s enough time before and after that game to be able to go strong and we need to strike back at Villa after what happened last time. Plus we need a performance to get some confidence back. It’s a bigger game than I’d like it to be and I’m not looking forward to it if I’m being completely honest.

 

Star man is Robbo. He didn’t start well but by the end it looked like there was only him and Sadio still trying to force something. Nobody else looked like they had any belief left. Grim.

 

 

Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold (Milner), Henderson, Fabinho, Robertson; Thiago, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain (Shaqiri); Salah, Firmino, Mané:

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As I said last night we are playing against 11men, one "dodgy" ref and VAR. It's fucking nuts and watching it unfolding again last night and that absolute filty cunt Tyler nearly jizzing himself I was furious. I feel for the players as they are getting nothing. 

I'm wondering if that lie livarpool is playing on the officials mind's and they are showing look we give them nothing. 

When jota comes back he'll get the players buzzing again, we really miss him and he's not afraid to shoot from outside the box. 

 

I'm really worried now about these manc cunts and I'd be very surprised if they beat us with the help of whatever cunt ref or VAR. I know if it happens against them bastards my head will fall off. 

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The "opinion piece" from Sky today on Klopp's statements removes any doubt that Murdoch and co have their mittens all over this campaign. The only thing missing from it was "fachts", as they try to imply that this is a Rafa-like rant from Klopp. What Rafa said was true back then, and Klopp is spot on now.

 

The amount of money the TV companies put into this product, coupled with the comments made by Scudamore in the past, you'd be incredibly naive to think that a season like we had last, and City had 3 years ago would be well received by those forking out the cash. The one season in the middle they could sell, but what would be even better would be the awakening of Utd. With the amount of money involved, do we honestly believe that this big business is going to not be influenced by corruption (as any other big business is). I'm not going to imply that bags of money are finding its way into accounts of individual referees, but the shift in media coverage is palpable, both TV and written articles. The refs are having each others back, and so it continues. If you compare Oliver's refereeing of Utd-Villa with ours yesterday, it's like we're playing in another universe. 

 

It feels like the 90s all over again. Hop on the commercial moneymaking train that is Man Utd now that they've gotten a little wind in their sails. I'm so angry right now that it's not healthy. Watching the games with my boys is one of the highlights of the week, but it's turning into a proper strugggle atm. I can take us being shit, and we've been dubious for a while now. Outright cheating though, that's painful to watch.

 

 

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Agree with all of that Dave, our defence has been ripped up so we’ve had no option but to rip up CM to try and compensate. But it’s the old adage two wrongs don’t make a right. Williams and Phillips have done ok, but the truth is you could take Oscar Pistorius’ blades away from him and he’d still smoke those two over ten yards. So unless cheese-legs Joel gets his shit together last night’s back 4 will start against the scum as the one thing they have up-front is pace - imagine Rashford one v one against Williams/Phillips? Shivers!

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I don't believe there's an organized conspiracy against the club but there must be something else going on. We all know the referees, with the exception of Oliver, are absolute dogshit and VAR has actually made them worse, not better.

 

The club generally aren't well-liked - look at the amount of fans that came out of the woodwork to demand the season be cancelled when we were on the cusp of winning the title. Where are they now?

 

The likes of Salah and Mane have had their reputations dragged through the mud around going down too easily so I wonder if that also wanders into referees subconscious where they're making these 50/50 calls. I mean, when Salah is in a choke hold and the free kick goes the other way, you have to wonder what's going through the ref's head. 

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This was a great review Dave as it basically summed up all of my thoughts.

 

The only thing I don't agree with is the suggestion that refs are hard on us because we're doing well. They've been doing this even when we were average the only thing that changed is the justification because now it's LiVARpool while the former bullshit narrative was that the Kop influences the ref to give soft penalties while during the 2017/18 season we got no fucking penalties in the premier league at Anfield.

 

I hate it when we lose or draw matches where we played shit, Atalanta, West Brom, Newcastle and Fulham sucked to watch but I could take it because we were shit but matches like Everton, Brighton and Southampton just sticks in the brain because of just how fucking unfair it is.

 

When I think of playing United what I remember is Origi getting fouled in the build up to their goal and VAR not even bothering to check so I'm nervous for that match.

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31 minutes ago, lebron said:

The "opinion piece" from Sky today on Klopp's statements removes any doubt that Murdoch and co have their mittens all over this campaign. The only thing missing from it was "fachts", as they try to imply that this is a Rafa-like rant from Klopp. What Rafa said was true back then, and Klopp is spot on now.

 

The amount of money the TV companies put into this product, coupled with the comments made by Scudamore in the past, you'd be incredibly naive to think that a season like we had last, and City had 3 years ago would be well received by those forking out the cash. The one season in the middle they could sell, but what would be even better would be the awakening of Utd. With the amount of money involved, do we honestly believe that this big business is going to not be influenced by corruption (as any other big business is). I'm not going to imply that bags of money are finding its way into accounts of individual referees, but the shift in media coverage is palpable, both TV and written articles. The refs are having each others back, and so it continues. If you compare Oliver's refereeing of Utd-Villa with ours yesterday, it's like we're playing in another universe. 

 

It feels like the 90s all over again. Hop on the commercial moneymaking train that is Man Utd now that they've gotten a little wind in their sails. I'm so angry right now that it's not healthy. Watching the games with my boys is one of the highlights of the week, but it's turning into a proper strugggle atm. I can take us being shit, and we've been dubious for a while now. Outright cheating though, that's painful to watch.

 

 


Is Murdoch even involved with Sky?

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No offence with the banging on about refs. Their shit, when have they not been. 

One fucking shot on goal. 

That is the reason why we lost.

Against Forster as well been in semi -retirement for years.

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19 minutes ago, index1000 said:

No offence with the banging on about refs. Their shit, when have they not been. 

One fucking shot on goal. 

That is the reason why we lost.

Against Forster as well been in semi -retirement for years.

Although there is a compelling and comprehensive case and we have been hard done by, its sounding a little ifithadntofbeenfor 

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5 hours ago, Supremolad said:

There was also an incident in the first half where Salah is running alongside their defender trying to chase a ball and he gets put into a headlock. I mean the cunt literally wrapped his arm around Salah's neck, with the linesman just a few metres away looking at it. No foul was given. Incredible.

To be fair on that incident if it's the same one I think the ball had gone out and that's why the free kick wasn't given from a pass off Trent. 

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I guess Klopp put hendo at the back to get ready for the United game. He won’t stay there, hopefully because we need him elsewhere.

 

It’s just mad Minamino isn’t playing anymore after his best game for us.

 

Trent and Mo have been awful lately, are they affected with post vivid effects ? And Bobby's becoming a joke, he’s losing so often the ball and has no impact whatsoever on the game.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dylstar said:

To be fair on that incident if it's the same one I think the ball had gone out and that's why the free kick wasn't given from a pass off Trent. 

This was it.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Marcas said:

Agree with all of that Dave, our defence has been ripped up so we’ve had no option but to rip up CM to try and compensate. But it’s the old adage two wrongs don’t make a right. Williams and Phillips have done ok, but the truth is you could take Oscar Pistorius’ blades away from him and he’d still smoke those two over ten yards. So unless cheese-legs Joel gets his shit together last night’s back 4 will start against the scum as the one thing they have up-front is pace - imagine Rashford one v one against Williams/Phillips? Shivers!

I think if you took Oscar Pistorious blades off him he'd try to shot you whilst you were on the bog.

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Premier League goals since we bought Salah.

 

Salah - Mane - Firmino:

32 — 10 — 15

22 — 22 — 12

19 — 18 — 9

13 — 6 — 5

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86 — 56 — 41

 

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10 hours ago, Manny said:

Ref wasn't the reason we lost, but he was one of them. As you say, we didn't 'deserve' much from that performance, but the performance still warranted two goalscoring opportunities that were denied from us by a third party (and wouldn't be to certain other teams). I don't get why it's controversial to point it out.


Yes he was.

 

Soton scored from a non existant free kick and we got denied two penalties. 

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12 hours ago, sir roger said:

The only thing that worries me about ref watch is that if Gallagher is that scared of upsetting PGMOL he won't criticise any decisions and he has been retired for years, then what chance is there of any present officials going against their mates on VAR ?

Bob Hope and No Hope.

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I saw something on This is Anfield today that is genuinely staggering and shows that this refereeing problem is much worse than many of us thought.

 

In 16 games this season Mo has been given 11 fouls. That's the same as Lewis Dunk and ranks 114th in the league.

 

That was bad enough, but this is worse.

 

Only Sheffield United have been awarded fewer free kicks than us this season. 8.8 fouls a game for the team that has more of the ball than anyone else (except City I assume?), attacks more than anyone else and has the trickiest forwards in the league.

 

That can't be legitimately explained away. Dodgy as fuck and it needs highlighting.

 

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There is something very odd going on. I don't think there's any conspiracy, corruption or (mostly) deliberate bias but the stats are clear and the sample size is large enough. It was happening over the last two seasons too but we were playing well enough to overcome it.  

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I don't think it's a conspiracy or in most cases even a conscious thing.

 

I think it's a case of refs giving us fuck all because we've been so dominant and they're thinking "what do you need a free-kick for if you're that good?"

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23 minutes ago, dave u said:

I don't think it's a conspiracy or in most cases even a conscious thing.

 

I think it's a case of refs giving us fuck all because we've been so dominant and they're thinking "what do you need a free-kick for if you're that good?"

I think it's a case of what I call FA Cup refereeing around the field coupled with a dislike of our cheating foreigners in the box.  

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Cheating foreigners? Every side has foreign players, not just us, all players try it on regardless of where they're from, no offence like  but that last sentence is a bit silly. 

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On 06/01/2021 at 18:22, dave u said:

I don't think it's a conspiracy or in most cases even a conscious thing.

 

I think it's a case of refs giving us fuck all because we've been so dominant and they're thinking "what do you need a free-kick for if you're that good?"

That is corruption. Inferring your own bias onto an officiating decision is a corruption of the rules. The ref is there to implement them not level the playing field by hook or crook. The blatant decisions we are not getting and soft decisions others are getting have completely shaped the league standings. I've never know other sides who were at their peak being constantly punished. Its so blatant its not cry arsing the facts back it all up, weve been getting fucked.

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The thing that surprises me is that I woukd havevimagined that if you had a team that almost always show you respect and have a manager who hates gamesmanship you would have a bit of a respect for them , but tge PGMOL posse appear to see it as weakness and are a bit cowed by teams that don't.

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Having now seen the incidents (two stonewall penalties and a red card ignored) at Southampton and also the ManU penalty against Villa, I have no doubt now that there's something shady going on. What the exact nature of it is, I don't know. On the one hand, half-wits like Atkinson, Marriner, Friend et al don't have the intelligence to put together a conspiracy. On the other, they're dim enough to think that they could get away with one! It's alarming that the media are completely glossing over this situation. I've seen a few analyses as to our current 'predicament'. None of them mention us getting regularly ficked over by the refs union. And it's not just the big calls, it's the relentless small one that break up rhythm and momentum. The first long throw into our box by teh West Brom lad Furlong (who, of course, has been shit since that night), was taken 20-25 yards further upfield than where it went out. Newcastle's only attempt in the 2nd half came from a free-kick taken 10 yards infield from the offence (Phillips, right on the touch line).

 

:'And as for Dickhead Dermot..... Here''s what he said about the Pogbal incident... ''I think the referee thinks there is a tangle of legs and Pogba actually catches his foot. What I would say is once it's given, considering where the referee is on the pitch, it's never going to be overturned by VAR. You cannot fault Michael Oliver's positioning."  

 

And on the Mane one: 

I think this is a tangle. Walker-Peters goes to make the challenge, I think he pulls out and Mane goes to skip the ball. You can see that they come together and I think it would be harsh to give a penalty.

"Walker-Peters is definitely going to pull out of the tackle, he doesn't want to get involved, he doesn't want to dangle a leg, which is what defenders are often accused of doing. He goes to tackle with his right leg and Mane actually goes into his left leg.

"The referee also couldn't be in a better position, so he has a perfect view of it. He can see the contact, how it's made - there's no doubt there's contact - and he says no. VAR quickly looked and agreed with the referee."

He's diappearing up his own arse trying to justify these decisions. The Neil Mellor analysis shows that it's a crystal clear foul on Mane.

 

The irony of this situation - refs favouring United, and fucking us over, is that the team which will benefit most is City. United aren't good enough to win the title off the back of this largesse. However our lead over City has been whittled away by these shite decisions (as well, of course, by our own form/missed chances/injuries) and they've built some good momentum now. 

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1 hour ago, DaveT said:

Having now seen the incidents (two stonewall penalties and a red card ignored) at Southampton and also the ManU penalty against Villa, I have no doubt now that there's something shady going on. What the exact nature of it is, I don't know. On the one hand, half-wits like Atkinson, Marriner, Friend et al don't have the intelligence to put together a conspiracy. On the other, they're dim enough to think that they could get away with one! It's alarming that the media are completely glossing over this situation. I've seen a few analyses as to our current 'predicament'. None of them mention us getting regularly ficked over by the refs union. And it's not just the big calls, it's the relentless small one that break up rhythm and momentum. The first long throw into our box by teh West Brom lad Furlong (who, of course, has been shit since that night), was taken 20-25 yards further upfield than where it went out. Newcastle's only attempt in the 2nd half came from a free-kick taken 10 yards infield from the offence (Phillips, right on the touch line).

 

:'And as for Dickhead Dermot..... Here''s what he said about the Pogbal incident... ''I think the referee thinks there is a tangle of legs and Pogba actually catches his foot. What I would say is once it's given, considering where the referee is on the pitch, it's never going to be overturned by VAR. You cannot fault Michael Oliver's positioning."  

 

And on the Mane one: 

I think this is a tangle. Walker-Peters goes to make the challenge, I think he pulls out and Mane goes to skip the ball. You can see that they come together and I think it would be harsh to give a penalty.

"Walker-Peters is definitely going to pull out of the tackle, he doesn't want to get involved, he doesn't want to dangle a leg, which is what defenders are often accused of doing. He goes to tackle with his right leg and Mane actually goes into his left leg.

"The referee also couldn't be in a better position, so he has a perfect view of it. He can see the contact, how it's made - there's no doubt there's contact - and he says no. VAR quickly looked and agreed with the referee."

He's diappearing up his own arse trying to justify these decisions. The Neil Mellor analysis shows that it's a crystal clear foul on Mane.

 

The irony of this situation - refs favouring United, and fucking us over, is that the team which will benefit most is City. United aren't good enough to win the title off the back of this largesse. However our lead over City has been whittled away by these shite decisions (as well, of course, by our own form/missed chances/injuries) and they've built some good momentum now. 

Good post, but would add to be fair that City have been given even less penalties than we have in the OGS era.

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2 hours ago, sir roger said:

Good post, but would add to be fair that City have been given even less penalties than we have in the OGS era.

Consistent with the theory that the refs are consciously (or subconsciously) doing their bit to even out games.  

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