Rafa bleating about money again

[BolshieBastard]

And haven't they done fucking brilliantly since?

 

Looks like they'll be in the CL next season. :whistle:

 

Where will we be?

[zigackly]

I don't think Rafa is greedy and I don't think he's arsed about the money as a driving factor in his desire to stay at the club. I think he genuinely wants to do well and is doing what he believes is in the best interests to achieve that.

 

Obviously I doubt the way he goes about it, but to suggest he's a greedy cunt etc is unfair and I don't really like to see it, even if I do respect people's right to say it.

 

Fully agree mate, and that and some of the other outright horseshit that gets spouted actually damages the sane and sensible arguments against his regime.

[Coro]

Bit suspicious this Coro only joining here last month but knowing a good bit about Juan Galonso and who he is.

 

Just saying, like.

 

Suspicious of what?

 

That i lurked on here for a while?

 

Forgive me.

[BolshieBastard]

Ah yes, because the football market was like this under Evans.

 

So now you want to introduce proportional spend as well as net spend to defend benitez?

 

True the fees were lower in Evans' time but so to was the club income. In other words, there's a lot more income for the club today.

[Iantn]

Dont talk soft. Benitez has had more money to spend than either of those two. You seem very selective in your 'net spend' opinion.

 

Its only cos its gone tits up for him that you dredge this net spend up.

 

220 million pounds he's spent. Read that again, 220 million pounds.

 

He's not breaking any transfer records in football though is he? Evans did that with Collymore.

 

Neither of our previous 2 managers have had to sell players to buy them going into a summer transfer window. Whether you give a shite about net spend or not, that is just fuckin' ridiculous.

 

That said we shouldn't have been as bad as we have been this season. Too many people haven't performed to a good enough level. That plus having no money to start with has totally fucked us.

[spider-neil]

Valencia's board, unlike ours, had the foresight and common sense to tell him to go fuck himself when he wanted loads of money.

 

rafa missed out of vidic, simao and alves because of ditthering of the board

[Guest Super Sub]

One thing that everyone seems to be missing with the lets get shut of Rafa, is no matter who we get the club are well and truly fucked. We aren't ever going to get CL football again because no one will come here, cause we aren't in the CL next year are we. LFC not getting into the CL next year is a very sad day for this club and could be the end of the great tradition of LFC.

[Guest Super Sub]

rafa missed out of vidic, simao and alves because of ditthering of the board

 

He missed out on Alves because the club wouldn't pay £12 million for him they were only prepared to pay £10 million. 12 months later he was be touted as a £22 million player.

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rafa missed out of vidic, simao and alves because of ditthering of the board

 

Rafa decided Alves was not worth the money asked for him so he went out and bought Pennant instead for £8M instead as if he was worth more than a penny.

[shaunstrudwick]

What the fuck does Lucas have to do with it? Rafa said Xabi was out of form for 2 years. Even Xabi himself said he wasn't playing well.

 

an out of form Xabi is still a decent player

 

better to have him in your team than not

[spider-neil]

One thing that everyone seems to be missing with the lets get shut of Rafa, is no matter who we get the club are well and truly fucked. We aren't ever going to get CL football again because no one will come here, cause we aren't in the CL next year are we. LFC not getting into the CL next year is a very sad day for this club and could be the end of the great tradition of LFC.

 

saying players only move to clubs in the CL is a load of bollox, look at the players man city attracted

 

tevez - from manu (CL) to mancity (no CL)

adebayor - from arsenal (CL) to mancity (no CL)

 

doesn't make a jot of difference all they are about is how much they'll get paid

[BolshieBastard]

He's not breaking any transfer records in football though is he? Evans did that with Collymore.

 

Are you for real!? He's spent over 20m each on Torres, Keane and Aquilani. He's spent 18 m each on Mascherano and Johnson.

 

Oh and dossena almost cost the same as collymore! So he's clearly broken the club's (collymore) transfer record by a considerable margin on no less than 5 players!

 

Neither of our previous 2 managers have had to sell players to buy them going into a summer transfer window. Whether you give a shite about net spend or not, that is just fuckin' ridiculous.

 

So what you're saying is net spend should only be used to defend benitez from last year when he had to sell to buy?

 

And that's bullshit to insinuate previous LFC managers havent had to balance the books or had unrestrained transfer budgets. Dalglish couldnt sign Gasgoine because the club had no transfer budget.

 

That said we shouldn't have been as bad as we have been this season. Too many people haven't performed to a good enough level. That plus having no money to start with has totally fucked us.

 

He needs sacking.

[Moo]

One thing that everyone seems to be missing with the lets get shut of Rafa, is no matter who we get the club are well and truly fucked. We aren't ever going to get CL football again because no one will come here, cause we aren't in the CL next year are we. LFC not getting into the CL next year is a very sad day for this club and could be the end of the great tradition of LFC.

 

I think there's many people on these boards, despite their reluctance to admit it, who choose not to see the wood for the trees because they actually believe what's happening on the pitch right now is more important than what's going on off it.

[shaunstrudwick]

He missed out on Alves because the club wouldn't pay £12 million for him they were only prepared to pay £10 million. 12 months later he was be touted as a £22 million player.

 

the Alves deal never looked like it was going to be concluded cos every time we met their valuation they kept raising the price

[zigackly]

I think there's many people on these boards, despite their reluctance to admit it, who choose not to see the wood for the trees because they actually believe what's happening on the pitch right now is more important than what's going on off it.

 

And perhaps there are others who are capable of holding more than one concept in their heads at a time.

[Brownie]

rafa missed out of vidic, simao and alves because of ditthering of the board

 

Managers miss out on players all the time; it comes with the territory. If the board deserve criticism for what you're saying above, then they deserve huge credit for the likes of Torres etc?

[Moo]

Are you for real!? He's spent over 20m each on Torres, Keane and Aquilani. He's spent 18 m each on Mascherano and Johnson.

 

 

Collymore cost a British record transfer fee didn't he?

And Scales, (or was it Babb?), broke the British record for a defender.

 

Neither Houllier nor Benitez have been able to do that.

[Section_31]

Some real poison on this thread, no need for it at all. Nobody's fucking murdered anyone, calm the fuck down.

[spider-neil]

Managers miss out on players all the time; it comes with the territory. If the board deserve criticism for what you're saying above, then they deserve huge credit for the likes of Torres etc?

 

yes they do but that was three years ago. when we came 2nd THAT was the time to go all out but instead they held onto the keane money and insisted that all transfer money be generated via sales. that's fucked up.

[Brownie]

I think there's many people on these boards, despite their reluctance to admit it, who choose not to see the wood for the trees because they actually believe what's happening on the pitch right now is more important than what's going on off it.

 

I take it that this time last year, when we were chasing the title, you weren't commenting on the fantastic football and were focussing solely on the owners situation then?

 

Or is that now only an issue because we're playing poorly?

[BolshieBastard]

Managers miss out on players all the time; it comes with the territory. If the board deserve criticism for what you're saying above, then they deserve huge credit for the likes of Torres etc?

 

You are right. I dont have issues with benitez on the players he's missed out on. I have issues with the players he's bought. Torres and Reina are his only outright transfers that are still at the club and are world class players.

 

Mascherano was signed after an 18 month loan. Even Im certain if benitez had of signed morientez, keane, aquilani, dossena and a few others on loan first, he wouldnt have such a poor record.

[Brownie]

yes they do but that was three years ago. when we came 2nd THAT was the time to go all out but instead they held onto the keane money and insisted that all transfer money be generated via sales. that's fucked up.

 

You're right, it is fucked up. Lucky for us then that the Mancs lost two of their best players and replaced them with nothing of note, whilst Chelsea also bought no-one of any great note.

[Carradona]

Suspicious of what?

 

That i lurked on here for a while?

 

Forgive me.

 

You arent Andrew Smith, are you?

[BolshieBastard]

Collymore cost a British record transfer fee didn't he?

And Scales, (or was it Babb?), broke the British record for a defender.

 

Neither Houllier nor Benitez have been able to do that.

 

And your point is what!? He was supposed to be a manager capable of winning titles on a budget. Or have you forgotten that?

 

He's broken the club's transfer record for collymore, which was quoted, no less than 5 times for major signings.

[Iantn]

Are you for real!? He's spent over 20m each on Torres, Keane and Aquilani. He's spent 18 m each on Mascherano and Johnson.

 

Oh and dossena almost cost the same as collymore! So he's clearly broken the club's (collymore) transfer record by a considerable margin on no less than 5 players!

 

Of course he's breaking club records. The money in the game is mental compared to anytime in the games history.

 

Point being Evans broke the British transfer record signing Collymore. Rafa has 'only' spent 2/3's of the current British record on players.

 

 

So what you're saying is net spend should only be used to defend benitez from last year when he had to sell to buy?

 

And that's bullshit to insinuate previous LFC managers havent had to balance the books or had unrestrained transfer budgets. Dalglish couldnt sign Gasgoine because the club had no transfer budget.

 

I'm not using anything to defend anyone. I'm stating a fuckin' fact. Rafa has had to get money into the club before he can spend over the past 3 transfer windows.

 

He's not signed players and wanted more but couldn't afford them, he's not been able to afford anyone.