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Well something is definitely not right. The first two games weren’t great but in isolation they could be explained away and it didn’t necessarily mean we had a major problem. This one though, fuck me. An absolute fucking shambles. Outworked, outfought and occasionally outplayed by the worst Manchester United side in living memory. 

 

The Sky narrative may have been on how improved and cohesive United looked, but they just did exactly the same thing Fulham did. Nothing special about their performance, this was all on us being absolutely fucking shit. 

 

They started faster than us and with much more intensity. Just like Fulham did. Then they sat in as we eventually settled and started keeping the ball a bit better. Just like Fulham. They were comfortable defending us, just like Fulham and they had joy picking us off on the break. You guessed it. Just like Fulham. They then shithoused and time wasted their way to a result. Just like Fulham. So let’s not make this out to be something its not. They won this game because we were fucking terrible.

 

I’m absolutely fucking steaming that we let this shower of shit beat us and gain some confidence after their embarrassing start to the season. We should have been piling on their misery, not giving them relief from it. They’re actually above us in the table now. I mean fucking hell. It’s only three games and I have no long term concerns about the team, but the short term is really looking bad and unless there’s a pretty big transformation we won’t be taking six points from the two home games we have coming up and if we don't then it's going to be an uphill slog.

 

This one really stings. Klopp said afterwards that we didn’t look ready for the start of the game. When was the last time we really did? We started quite well against Palace to be fair, but we’ve conceded first in seven league games on the bounce and we haven’t led at half time in any of the last fifteen games in all competitions. It might be thirteen actually, but either way it’s a really fucking alarming stat.

 

How can you not be ready for the start of this game? The world and its dog knew exactly what United were going to do. They couldn’t be passive because they’d just lost 4-0 at Brentford and they’ve been the butt of everyone’s jokes all week. They needed to get the crowd onside so they were always going to fly at us early. And we were like a rabbit caught in the headlights. It's inexplicable.

 

It’s not down to any specific individuals either. Other than Harvey and maybe Diaz, I thought everyone was fucking shocking early on. By the end of the game you could add Carvalho and maybe Mo to those two as players who didn’t disgrace themselves (Alisson as well, he made two great saves). Everyone else was varying degrees of terrible though.

 

Something isn’t right and for once I don’t think Klopp and the staff know what it is. If they did know they’d have fixed it already. We can’t score the first goal in games, we aren’t playing with any intensity and we seem to have reached a point where even dogshit teams like Fulham and United can come up with a plan to nullify us and then just wait for the easy chances that come their way.

 

It’s got to be a huge concern that we’re being kept at arm’s length by shit teams and that one pass in behind whenever we lose the ball is resulting on players running clear on goal. We aren’t even being helped out by offsides now. Last year we lived life on the edge with the high line knowing that most of the time we were catching teams narrowly offside with VAR and that Alisson saves at least half of the one v ones he faces. It was risk / reward and it paid off.

 

Alisson still does his thing but that’s Zaha and Rashford now who have both gotten in on the kind of marginal calls that would have been given offside under the old system. Now, with the extra tolerance level, we’ve had our fingers burned. Even allowing for that rule change though I still can’t see how Rashford is onside for that second goal but overall we were so fucking bad I can’t even get worked up about any possible injustice there.

 

The first goal is right up there with any of the worst we’ve conceded under Klopp. I don’t think I’ll ever get over what I saw from Van Dijk. It’s one of the most inexplicably shit things I’ve ever seen from a top player. I can’t explain it. Every time I look at it it gets worse. Milner was rightly fucking livid with him and let him know in no uncertain terms. 

 

Milner is throwing himself in front of Sancho to make a block, no doubt expecting that he has back up in case Sancho doesn’t shoot and checks back. Had Milner not dived in then Sancho would have taken the shot, so there’s no blame attached to Milner for me. He’s trying to defend. What the fuck is the world’s best ‘defender’ doing. Not defending. No, he’s stood rooted to the spot for three or four seconds with his hands behind his back. 

 

It’s genuinely one of the worse things I can remember. Right up there with Brad Jones playing dodgeball in this same fixture. That’s stayed with me ever since and I have no doubt whatsoever this will too. Brad Jones was shit though, so he has an excuse. Milner was angry at the time but I bet when he watches the replay he’s even more pissed off. “Calm as you like” though, eh? Maybe forget that laid back shit for a while and actually get your shorts dirty for a change and do some fucking defending.

 

The goal had been coming too. They’d already hit the post and looked like they would get behind us any time they won the ball back off us, which was often. Lazy cunts like Fernandez and Rashford were now chasing down everything and snapping into challenges, and we were like passive little lambs, just giving the ball away and generally looking clueless. It was like Fulham in so many ways, not least that every time Mo or Diaz got the ball it was with their back to goal and with a man up their arse so they couldn’t do anything. 

 

How about trying to fucking turn them around with balls in behind? Not easy when you’ve got Bobby fannying about next to Hendo giving us absolutely nothing. I’m not mad at him though, he’s just finished now as the player we knew and loved. I am, however, mad at Nunez for getting himself suspended and missing a game in which he could have filled his boots. We needed his running in behind and bustling presence to unsettle the United backline. Instead they had an easy night and the Argentinian Jay Spearing they had at the back was probably man of the match because we made the cunt look good.

 

In fact, this was a great night for all of their underperforming twats. Sancho has been a flop but we let him score and give himself a platform from which to build. Rashford has been even fucking worse. We let him score too. That little defender has been a laughing stock so far, but we let him bounce around kicking people, snarling, generally acting like a cunt and we did fuck all to unsettle him. I’m raging and its getting worse with every line I type.

 

Trent was all over the place defensively and looked likely to commit a foul any time Elanga ran at him. Elanga is shite by the way, but Trent made him look like prime Eden Hazard at times. Robbo didn’t look like himself either and considering how vital they’ve been to our success, that’s always going to be a big problem for us if they aren’t performing. And they aren’t performing. But they aren’t the only ones.

 

Fabinho was left out because he hasn’t looked right all season either. I’m assuming he’s dealing with an injury or something but Klopp hasn’t said anything about that, so maybe it’s just form related. Hendo has defo been dealing with something, which kind of makes Fabinho’s omission even more alarming. Not that I’m disagreeing with it, he looks leggy as fuck and I thought he was off the pace again when he came on in this game.

 

The midfield was bad. Hendo started the game badly, got better but then made a mistake that resulted in the second goal. Milner looked like an old man. In the first half especially he was laboured, second to everything and just looked like the game was too quick for him. Because he’s such a fucking pro he stuck with it and he was better in the second half, but his role should not be as a starter in games of this importance anymore. I like him coming off the bench, he adds something in those situations. Starting games though, that’s not ideal.

 

The reason he had to start was injuries. Our midfielders are always fucking injured. Harvey is the only one I don’t have a concern with because the one and only time he was injured was the result of a tackle. All of the others are susceptible to muscle injuries, some more than others. Without getting into it here as I’ve said my piece in other reports as well as on the pod, but if we’re bringing someone in then it really should be to replace Keita. He’s as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. 

 

Enough is enough now. Either get rid now or if that’s not possible, take the financial hit and let him stay for the year but bring somebody in, because we can’t rely on this little waster. Him missing this game is the final straw for me. I know the plan was to not bring in a midfielder because we have eight for only three places and bringing in a ninth would give us too many and restrict minutes for the young players we need to bring through. I was - and still am - fine with that in theory and I always said that anyone who comes in should be to replace Keita, because that’s how the club operates. Had it been up to me I’d have signed someone and fucked Keita off in a heartbeat. If that wasn’t possible, I’d have signed someone and loaned Keita, or failing that just let him sit out the season. The club simply don't work that way though so it's not realistic to think they'd splash the cash on a big money midfielder without someone leaving.

 

Personally I would have washed my hands of Keita a long time ago. That was never going to happen though because Klopp just doesn’t treat people like that, so as long as Keita is still here the chances of us signing another midfielder were always slim. This latest injury (following on from whatever illness it was that he had) may finally tip Klopp over the edge and make him take action. You can argue Thiago is just as bad and I’d agree, but at least when he plays he’s fucking ace. The juice is worth the squeeze with Thiago. With Keita you’re squeezing and squeezing and squeezing and then you look in the glass and there’s a little dribble of juice and loads of pips.

 

But I said I wasn’t going to get into that here and I’ve already said more than I intended. When everyone is fit our midfield options are really good. They’re never all fit at the same time though and currently it is threadbare. I understand people are frustrated by that but to me it’s not as big a deal because everything else looks fucked too. I don’t think bringing in a new midfielder solves the problems we’ve been seeing, although it couldn’t hurt.

 

Would Jude Bellingham or whoever suddenly stop Trent being sloppy as fuck with and without the ball? Would he make Virgil actually defend instead of pouncing about like the biggest prima donna in the league? Would he allow Bobby to remember how to play football again? No, we’ve got bigger issues than a midfield signing will solve.

 

How have we come to this though? It was only three or four weeks ago we looked electric in beating City in the Community Shield. I think we can partly attribute that to the lack of fitness City had at that point. They’d not long started their pre-season and hadn’t bothered with warm up games. We caught them cold, and then ever since it’s been us that has looked under cooked.

 

You can see something is not right with the entire team. It isn’t just a couple of players out of form, everything looks fucked right now and no area of the pitch is functioning as it should. We’re not matching the intensity of opponents whereas previously nobody could live with ours. Maybe the players are so fucking sick of hearing Pep Ljinders bang on about it that they’ve tuned out. More likely it’s to do with whatever we did in pre-season. Either too much or too little, I have no idea. But we do not look like a team that is prepared to play.

 

Getting beasted by this group of United players is as damning as it gets. When that happens, you really need to take stock and say “Ok we’re in trouble here, what the fuck is going on”. I bet that’s exactly what is happening too. Klopp and the staff don’t know what the problem is because if they did they’d have fixed it. I don’t want to hear about injuries either as we still have enough of the first eleven (or close to it) available to not be this shit.

 

The first 25-30 minutes of this are as bad as we’ve played in a long time. After that it got better to some extent. It looked like we’d settled and were getting a grip of the game but that was as much down to them dropping off after getting the lead as it was us waking up. They were never going to be able to maintain the pace they started with, and the longer the first half went the more it looked like we had them on the back foot.

 

We had a a lot of the ball but it was only really a five minute spell where I thought we did well. We needed to score in that spell and we didn’t. The bench was never going to offer us a solution to get back into the game so Klopp stuck with what he started with even though Milner and Firmino especially really needed hooking. 

 

We started the second half quite well but we didn’t score and then we got caught with the second goal. That was game over. I wasn’t confident we’d even score one but I knew we wouldn’t get two, let alone the three that we needed. Klopp made a change by sending on Fabinho for Henderson. Yeah that’s really going to make a difference. I can only assume Hendo was being protected from whatever fitness issue he has.

 

Carvalho replaced Milner too. I agreed with that one because at that stage there was no point hooking Bobby when we needed two goals. He’s basically a midfielder these days anyway so get an actual forward on so we have three up there and see what happens. What happened was a significant improvement and Carvalho was really bright. We had threatening moments and pulled one back with ten minutes to go when Mo headed in a rebound after Carvalho’s shot was saved. Usually, with us, that’s enough time to go and find a winner. This isn’t us though right now and we didn’t look close to scoring.

 

One thing I really need to mention though is that completely unacceptable cowardice from Michael Oliver after our goal. Allowing Fernandes to hold onto the ball for as long as he did, while Mo and Bobby were peacefully trying to get it off him, I say this in all seriousness, the cunt should be suspended for that. You can’t let that happen just because the little rat is already on a yellow card for a blatant dive. 

 

You have to send him off for a second yellow, it’s not even a discussion. It’s as clear as anything, if a player does what Fernandes did there it’s a yellow card. He held onto the ball long enough for two or three yellows, and then he topped it off by throwing himself to the floor holding his face to try and get Mo in trouble. Refs make mistakes and get things wrong, but this wasn’t that. He was watching it, knew exactly what was happening and he fucking froze and bottled it. Michael Oliver should not be officiating anywhere for the next couple of weeks.

 

Overall it was just a horrible experience. Seeing the team play as badly as that and allowing United to pick themselves up off the floor was bad enough. For it to happen to a backdrop of constant nasal drowning chants about unemployment, poverty and Hillsborough just magnifies it even more. One of the worst experiences we’ve had under Klopp and a result and performance that’s going to take a lot of getting over.

 

We’ve got Bournemouth at Anfield next and if you were to hand pick a fixture in which you needed three points that would be it. We can’t ask for a better opportunity to get our first win on the board and if we don’t win that then just cancel the fucking season.

 

Star man is Harvey, by an absolute mile.

 

 

Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson (Tsimikas); Henderson (Fabinho), Elliott, Milner (Carvalho); Salah, Firmino, Diaz:

 

 

 


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Fernandes is one of the biggest cunts I've ever seen play the game - how he wasn't sent off after the goal is beyond me, there's delaying the quick kick off and then just full on unsporting behaviour and he's clearly doing the latter. He's been anonymous basically since crowds came back but suddenly they're playing well and a goal up and he's running around reffing the game and acting the cunt. Martial too, all flicks and backheels and oles when they're winning but disappears when they're losing.

 

They're stuck with unreliable cunts like that and I'm glad of it and not complaining, but fuck me it hurts to give those dogs a day in the fucking sun.

 

Actually on the subject of Virgil - perhaps more than the pathetic defending for the first goal, what annoyed me was after Fernandes was booked for that shitty dive. As he stood up Virgil gave him a pat as if to say "no hard feelings" - we're 2-0 down in a game against them and he's just dived; he should be screaming in his face that he's a cheat and pointing out to the referee that he's another one of their cheats that he needs to be getting a grip on, not fucking patting him.

 

Gotta spend the next two weeks on holiday with my manc in-laws as well, fuck sake. They were bad enough after the fucking friendly.

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Good report Dave and I share your anger (who doesnt?).

 

Oliver wasa shithouse. Fernandez should have been carded before he actually got one. The one he got should have been his 2nd. Unbelievable he didnt get another over Mo's goal and his actions.

 

I disagree about Alli. I thought he sold himself on Sancho's goal. No way a top keeper should be going to ground on that pull back. Even if Sancho didnt do a pull back, Alli's on the deck because sancho wouldnt have hit it first time.

 

I was also screaming at the tv when Harvey played the ball back to him in the 1st half with 2 united players closing him down in the corner. What does Alli do? Plays it straight back to him. The fuck, get it down the middle of the pitch. Yes, he did make a couple of good saves but they werent ones you though no one else wouldnt have made.

 

Trent seems to think he has to play the Hollywood ball every time. Yet again either smashing the ball into the oppo in front of him or leathering it 100 mph across the box. Give yer head a wobble, lad.

 

I hope Mo's mega contract hasnt spread dissatisfaction through the squad? Surely not? But the fact he's never in the top 4 for team captain seems very strange.

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Can't disagree with any of that Dave. We should be murdering those wasters and the performance was painfully inadequate to do so.

 

Fingers crossed for Saturday then....

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Not going to disagree with anything, I'd give them a little credit for getting stuck in and doing to us what we should be doing to them, bullying them, wanting it more.

As an old timer I recall Paisley getting the best from players and then moving them on. This team has been too much the same for a season at least. Firmino and Milner, many thanks for all you did but no extra year on the contract, move on. Ancelotti said we are predictable and he's got a point, we need to refresh things regularly. 

Two years ago we could see the CB problem and we ended up losing a season, this year we have a similar situation with the midfield. Loyalty to players is great but standing still means we lose.

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Good report that,I fear there maybe a hangover from last season,the way we lost the league and then the final,I hope the players haven’t just been worn down by it all 

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I'd be surprised if its a hangover because of the way we've always bounced back from setbacks before. I guess there always comes a bridge too far and one setback when you just don't have enough fight left to come back from it, but I don't think we're there. I hope not anyway.

 

There's just a lot of things not working the way they should be and the players seem to be aware of that now and are losing confidence. We need a big win quickly.

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1 minute ago, dave u said:

I'd be surprised if its a hangover because of the way we've always bounced back from setbacks before. I guess there always comes a bridge too far and one setback when you just don't have enough fight left to come back from it, but I don't think we're there. I hope not anyway.

 

There's just a lot of things not working the way they should be and the players seem to be aware of that now and are losing confidence. We need a big win quickly.

What about them just giving up though. They seem resigned to the fact things aren't going their way. Starting slowly too how can this team with the odds its faced the last 7 years be shell-shocked by Fulham or United. Is it just a case these tweaks and changes we've brought in means none of them have a clue what's going on because it looks that way, we look like we have no idea how to get at the opposition and how to react when we lose the ball, so we get it and safely play it round in the usual patterns until Trent just thinks fuck it I think I've just seen an interdimensional portal open up in the area I reckon i could hit it.

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Cant argue with much of that, good write up.

 

First 30-40 seconds of 2nd half I think Fernandez gave the ball away 3 if not 4 times...each time in a dangerous position and we proceeded to hand it back in a whimper...regardless of performances, average passing would have opened them up but it was way beyond that..dreadful football.

 

The idea that United will go from strength to strength is laughable...how any of the previous stooges didn't think of dropping Maguire is beyond me...that was a pathetic effort, VVD number one candidate...will they learn from it, next two games will deffo tell a lot I guess.

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2 minutes ago, index1000 said:

Remember that Scottish Fullback we had used to bomb down the wing and put amazing crosses in?

I miss him.

The one who used to get to the bye-line ten times a game? 

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We were undoubtedly very bad in the opening 30 mins.. I do wonder if the new refereeing norm has come as a surprise to us though. The start of this and the Fulham game was a throwback to how football was played and reffed in the 80’s. The difference being the underdog feigning injury and diving/screaming whenever they are on the receiving end of a tackle themselves. If that had been United in the 90’s on the receiving end of some of the tackle/shoves our players got, Ferguson would have spent 30 mins post match bollocking the refs for not protecting the attacking players. You could see Klopp being pissed off about it again too, but he’s viewed as a moaner now because of the 5sub thing, so it probably won’t help much if he protests.

 

I thought Oliver played to the crowd all night if I’m honest. I know our players are supposed to take the blame, but trying to play football in yesterday’s climate was near impossible. Klopp and co need to come up with a solution to this though, as all teams will come steaming at us away from Anfield if the refs keep letting them get away with it. 

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42 minutes ago, index1000 said:

That's him mate do  you remember him as well

1.  He hasn't got Mane to make space for him.

2.  Everyone knows he's one footed so they just manage him until he makes a backwards pass.

3.  He's not as good as Tsimikas.

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Agree every word.

We suddenly can't score, not a real suprise when you lose 25 a season in Mane. Therefore vital you defend well and aggressive 

Also the Ten Haag love in. As you say he was Fulham and Palace tactics and the neanderthals lapped it up

He will do the same v Citeh, ie fuck his tip tap principles for that game.

Watch them fuck up v the rest of the league trying to play from the back.

I also see what klopp meant about them coming off a 5.0 win as then Slab head Fat Shaw and Prinaldo would have started and then.....

But we were shite 

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2 hours ago, aws said:

The one who used to get to the bye-line ten times a game? 

The one who has no-one to aim for in the box and has now got an absolute coward of a number 9 hiding on the halfway line behind him doing everything he can to avoid putting himself in between the centre halves and be a threat. 

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14 minutes ago, dave u said:

The one who has played over 100 games in the last two years without hardly any time off in the summers and seems to be suffering because of it?

That's the most baffling of Klopp's selection choices over the last year. I don't think there's a better back-up in any position in the PL (apart from our CBs!), yet Klopp chooses to over-use Robbo to the extent he has.

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48 minutes ago, Red74 said:

The one who has no-one to aim for in the box and has now got an absolute coward of a number 9 hiding on the halfway line behind him doing everything he can to avoid putting himself in between the centre halves and be a threat. 

Lebron, I knew you’d come scurrying along to

neg this. It’s like a dog whistle now when I pull your little fraud up. 

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I think the previous long season and the short pre-season has caught up with the players. We should have got Wijnaldum back on loan (although he has now had a major injury at Roma) and tried to move Keita on to one of the RB clubs. I think this season is going to be like 20-21 when it was a real slog and we just about got into the top 4 (although we ended up finishing third on the last day of the season). The 4 weeks break for the World Cup might help to give some of our players a rest. But I do not think that we will be challenging for the title this season.

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Agree with the assessment of last nights game completely, little or no argument to what was evident to us all.
In seasons gone by, you could expect to see a few strange results at the start of the season as teams ramped up fitness, integrated new players and got to grips with new teams in the league. 
Problem now is that you can’t afford hardly any slips if you have designs on winning the league with city around and likely to get 90+ points again.

We know that more than anyone else, having been so close in recent years and having won the league only once and having city win it 4 times in the last 5 years.
So my theory, for what it’s worth, is that the players are so fed up after last season and the way the big two went, that some now don’t appear to have the hunger needed to keep up the fight needed to try and keep up with city yet again.

It doesn’t help when they see seemingly every other team spending vast amounts to mount  a challenge, or in some cases to just keep up, and see city buy Haaland as well, while we do the bare minimum in terms of recruitment.

Then there’s the way teams play against us, and the apparent evidence that teams have learned how to soak up our pressure and hit us, successfully, on the break.

The players must wonder how to counteract this happening without us seemingly changing our way of playing.

Injuries never help of course, but the three teams we’ve failed against so far were all beatable with what we had available. Or should have been.

Time to panic then?
Maybe not yet, although the trend obviously cannot continue as at present. 
I would hope that at the very least, the results would have sent alarm bells across the Atlantic and that pertinent questions might have been asked if all is well. 
We’ll likely never be privy to any such conversations if indeed they happen, yet surely the owners realise that success on the pitch is a prerequisite to them making money on their investment, so if the questions are asked, and if the answer is we require further investment in the playing squad, then they should stump up what is required or that shiny new stand above the Anny Road might be underused by the time it is built.

We can’t fall too far behind as every other team in this league has strengthened in the last couple of seasons, the extra TV money etc., meaning they have all been able to buy better players, even if some of them haven’t used the money that well.

To finish, I saw Klopp being interviewed last night and for the first time he looked a bit crestfallen to me, he’s looked pissed in the past, angry in the past but never crestfallen.

If he’s not got the answers needed, then this is going to be a long season.

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2 hours ago, lebron said:

That's the most baffling of Klopp's selection choices over the last year. I don't think there's a better back-up in any position in the PL (apart from our CBs!), yet Klopp chooses to over-use Robbo to the extent he has.

 

I think timing has played a part too though. The covid season when we had no centre backs, Klopp didn't want to unsettle things further by throwing Kostas in. Last year he did get a decent number of games (probably could have been more) and I do wonder if he'd have started any of these three had he been fully fit. Robbo has been subbed for him in two of those games, which suggests a start might be coming at the weekend (or the game after) for Kostas.

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13 hours ago, stringvest said:

1.  He hasn't got Mane to make space for him.

2.  Everyone knows he's one footed so they just manage him until he makes a backwards pass.

3.  He's not as good as Tsimikas.

You saw Kostas the other night? 

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I wasn't surprised by what Van Dijk did. There have been numerous examples of him not being aggressive in closing down immediate threat. He was doing this kind of thing before his ACL injury, so we cant really use the injury as an excuse for his "cautious defending". 

 

Good to see Carragher highlight it and the recent examples including the non-defending van Dijk did in the lead up to Madrid's goal in the final. We need him to cut that shit out. I believe Milner would be telling him off in the dressing room much more strongly about that Utd goal.

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Agreed with most of that, apart from...

 

"When everyone is fit our midfield options are really good."

 

When everyone is fit our midfield options are all still slow as fuck, creatively barron, porous, old and unreliable.

 

Major, major heart surgery is required.

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