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Sickening. We lost this through sheer stupidity. For all the clear issues we have at the moment, chalk this loss down to terrible game management. Partly from Klopp and the way we approached the game, which caused us to concede after just one fucking minute, and partly from the players who showed absolutely no awareness of the situation they were in and committed the cardinal sin of conceding a goal from their own set-piece seconds before the half time whistle.

 

It’s easy to overlook that there were a lot of good elements in this performance, especially in the first half when we overcame that self inflicted early setback only to then shoot ourselves in the foot in the most ridiculous manner at the end of it. In between it was pretty impressive for spells. We actually came back again but Michael Oliver then handed the points to Arsenal with a ludicrous penalty. We were shite for much of the second half though and the penalty would never have happened if we’d actually cleared the ball with one of the several chances we had. 

 

I’m just fucking gutted after this. I honestly thought we’d win because Arsenal are overhyped and I really expected us to put in a performance. Arsenal are who I thought they were. Sadly we were nothing like what I thought we’d be. We were in spells but it wasn’t enough, especially when you can’t fucking defend. And make no mistake, we can’t defend. We’re a fucking mess now when we lose the ball. This is what happens when you’re a pressing team that can no longer press. When you push up the field and you don’t have the speed (or desire?) to get back.

 

We can all see it. Klopp can see it too. He’s spoken about it often enough, how the press hasn’t worked and how that’s leaving us (and specifically Trent) exposed too much. That’s what makes this even harder to take. To go there, against a team smelling themselves and riding high at the top of the table, while we’re such a shadow of what we thought we’d be, and start with the attitude we did?? It’s bordering on fucking stupid.

 

I’m not asking for us to abandon our identity and completely scrap how we play. Although that said, our identity is intensity and that abandoned us a couple of months back. That isn’t my point here though. My point is that there’s no fucking shame in going to a tough away venue and being cagey for 10-15 minutes to calm the crowd and stop the opponent getting off to a flyer. I don;’t want us to abandon our attacking principles, I just want us to temper them occasionally when the situation demands it.

 

For us to concede in the way we did, inside the first fucking minute? It’s naive as fuck I’m afraid. Just look at how that goal comes about and how easy it is for them. In the first fucking minute. Honestly, that’s as angry as I’ve been in a long time. You just can’t do that. Sit in for a bit, ease your way into the game. Keep the full backs in with the centre backs and stay in a four. 

 

“That’s not how we play” I hear some cry. Well maybe it should be. Not all the time, I’m not calling for us to go the full Sean Dyche here. I’m just saying that maybe we shouldn’t have Kostas so high up the pitch that Saka is left all alone with less than one minute gone?

 

Look at this screenshot of the goal. Six v five. In their favour. In the first fucking minute of a difficult away game against a team 11 points ahead of us (now 14). Sorry, but there’s just absolutely no way we should be getting counter attacked (and outnumbered!!!) inside the first minute away from home. It’s sheer stupidity or arrogance or both. 

 

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I laughed at Arsenal last season because they came to Anfield and kept passing it around in their own box even though it wasn’t working and it was exactly what we wanted them to do. It was stupid and arrogant from Arteta, especially as it had failed spectacularly the season before. Guess what though, eventually he swallowed his pride and stopped doing it. He became more pragmatic against better teams. Did you see Arsenal doing much of that in this game? No, because it would be stupid.

 

Yet here we are, swaggering in there, dicks swinging, Arsenal style if you like, with some completely unjustified delusion of grandeur. Just because we’ve owned Arsenal for years that doesn’t mean we could just go in there and “be Liverpool”. We’re not Liverpool right now. Not even close. What we did last year and the years before isn’t working now and therefore means nothing. 

 

So we need to adapt to certain situations and be more pragmatic than we would be when we’re swatting everyone aside. I’m not seeing that at all, we’re just walking out there and getting punched in the fucking face over and over. At some point, maybe put your guard up? It isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s just common fucking sense. We clearly learned fuck all from Naples.

 

Was the goal offside though? I don’t know. We should know, because we should have seen the conclusive proof that VAR apparently did. We don’t know because they didn’t show us it. We saw nothing with any lines on, which seems rather unusual to say the least on such a close call. It might have been on, I can’t tell from the still picture but it looks incredibly close. For us to not be shown the lines isn’t acceptable. My bigger gripe is with us getting caught like that though.

 

What probably frustrates me even more is that after 10 or 15 minutes we did settle into the game and completely bossed it. Could we not have done that from a solid 0-0 platform? Again, as I say, I’m not saying we should abandon what we do altogether, just maybe not try to impose it on the opponents from the opening whistle when we’re walking into the lion’s den. No-one loves our "he who dares" approach more than me, but what we're doing is suicide right now.

 

The character is still there and we fight back well from setbacks, but we just keep suffering too many of them and it becomes hugely draining. We were good for the rest of the half. Very good. Darwin looked sharp, hungry, confident even. He was causing them a lot of problems, as was Diaz.

 

We had a strong handball shout waved away when Gabriel blocked Jota’s cross with a raised hand. It’s a clear pen for me simply because initially he’s doing that arms by the side thing and then he inexplicably decides to put his left arm up in the air and the ball hits him. Had his arm been up the entire time in a natural running motion, I wouldn’t say that’s a pen because it’s point blank range. This isn’t that though. It’s a fucking pen.

 

Oliver probably can’t see from where he is, but I’m fairly sure the lino is on that side. He saw it. Maybe it’s not his call to give those decisions when they have VAR, so the real villain here is Darren England who should have told Oliver to look at the screen. I said this on the pod, but has anyone ever seen this Darren England cunt? Does he actually ref games or does he get paid to sit on his arse making bad calls in Stockley Park? I can’t ever remember seeing him in the flesh. He’s stealing a fucking living, whoever he is. Imagine being paid to just do VAR. Any one of us could do that, and do it better than this fraud.

 

We bossed that first half and Thiago and Henderson were excellent. The second half was a different story as they faded badly and we lost the grip we had in there, but in that opening half those two dominated the midfield and we were lively up front. It was good, and we fully deserved the equaliser when Diaz crossed for Darwin to finish nicely. 

 

We had a big injury scare when Trent was caught on the ankle by Martinelli’s follow through after he crossed the ball. If you hadn’t seen the video and only went off the still image that looks a clear red card, but it obviously isn’t. I’m just saying, still images and freeze frames can make any incident look how you want it to look. People trying to claim the Arsenal penalty was legit could probably find an image to back that up too. Doesn’t make it so though.

 

Trent was in a lot of pain and I was surprised he was able to continue. In hindsight, we should have just subbed him there and then, because his role in the second goal debacle was pitiful. A lot of the criticism of his defensive play this season has been harsh and over stated. Whatever ridicule he is subjected to for this awful bit of schoolboy defending is fully justified. Embarrassing that.

 

However, the bigger issue here isn’t Trent selling himself and making it easy for Martinelli. No, the problem is game management again. Why the fuck are we sending everyone forward for a free-kick in that position, at that stage of the game. If the free kick had been 20 yards higher up the pitch in a proper crossing position then that’s a different matter. 

 

This was too deep though. It wasn’t going to be a cross that could be attacked, it was a hopeful diagonal punt to the far side of the box. The likelihood of scoring from that situation was minimal, but if we were chasing the game then of course you try it. With seconds to go in the half and the game at 1-1 against a team that specialises in counter attacks, that’s just not smart. I’m not being wise after the event either. When I saw Joel and Virgil piling up there I thought it was daft and judging by what he said afterwards, so did Klopp.

 

Considering we’re virtually the oldest team in the league we’re far from being the wisest. Naive, stupid, schoolboy shit again. It’s such a low percentage play. That ball towards Joel on the far side is only ever going to lead to him knocking the ball back into an area where players from both teams are. So there’s a 50-50 chance Arsenal will pick it up, and if they do they can counter. We know this, we’ve done it to other teams for years. We don’t do it any more mind. Don’t ask me why because I don’t know. I just know that it doesn’t happen and it makes me sad. Like a lot of things when I watch us now.

 

It just does my head in. Things are difficult enough for us right now without making things needlessly worse with a complete lack of common football sense. Conceding in the first and last minutes of the half in the way we did is staggeringly incompetent. This is exactly the kind of shit we did before we got good. You just can’t be doing that shit though. Not now. In this situation. And not against a team on the up. 

 

We fucking had them. We bossed that first half and the crowd had gone quiet. They stopped smelling themselves because we were doing to them what we’ve been doing for years and it was a bit of a reality check for them. And then we just fucking handed them the lead again and sent them in at the half all buoyant. Criminal.

 

To make matters worse we lost Diaz not long before the break and it might be a bad one. Even if it’s not, it’s probably going to be a few weeks at the very least. He’s been our best player this season and we can’t afford to lose him. But the season is a fucking nightmare so this should come as no surprise. Trent went off too, with Gomez replacing him. Apparently it was the ankle, but I’d have hooked him regardless as he looked shot to pieces. 

 

Arsenal came out with a spring in their step for the second half. That’s what happens when you’ve been gifted a lead with the last kick of the first period. The dominance we’d shown was now gone, but we still carried a threat and scored against the run of play with a beautiful finish by Bobby. Such a good goal that, he only had maybe a foot of space to put that ball in and he found it.

 

I don’t think we built on that goal at all though and it was Arsenal that were pushing hardest for a winner. The way they got it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth but they deserved it. The penalty came at the end of a period of sustained pressure where they pinned us back and it felt like the ball was in our box for five minutes before Oliver eventually put us out of our misery by pointing to the spot.

 

It’s just not a pen in a million years but that cunt couldn’t wait to give it. I think he blew the whistle before Jesus even hit the deck. Pathetic. Almost as pathetic as the VAR check that took all of 10 seconds and seemed to comprise of one replay. Usually on contentious ones like that you get a dozen slow motion replays from every conceivable angle. Why not this time? The officiating was a farce all day. We even had Gomez booked for time wasting on a throw. We don’t time waste and we didn’t even have the lead. Teams do this shit to us constantly and it goes unpunished. To have one of our lads booked for that is an insult.

 

We were never getting back into a third time and to be honest I can’t remember hardly anything about the last 15 minutes plus stoppage time. Nothing happened. The ball was hardly in play and there was just a lot of Arsenal running down the clock and us not really doing anything. 

 

Klopp made subs but each one weakened us further. Mo got hooked and that was no surprise as he was invisible. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him less involved in a match than this. He’s had worse games, but probably never a quieter one. If we’re playing 4-4-2 then we need him up front with Darwin. That leaves a big hole on the right and we don’t have anyone who fits there naturally, but I’d probably look at Carvalho there. Maybe Trent actually, depending on how the injury is. We probably won’t play 4-4-2 though, Klopp will give up on this now and go back to the 4-3-3 that wasn’t working either.

 

Elliott came on to play left wing instead of Jota. Yeah that's no solution. Konate being back was a bonus. He replaced the below par Matip and looked strong. Maybe three at the back is an option? At least it means we'd have three defenders for a change when teams run through us.

 

A bad day got even worse with the news that there is going to be an investigation over something that was said by one of the players. All the indication is that it was Hendo, possibly to Gabriel who seemed very upset over something and was crying about it to our Brazilian lads. No idea what did happen, but I have no reservations whatsoever in saying that Hendo has not racially abused anyone. That’s what twitter is suggesting but there’s just not a fucking chance that has happened.

 

I could defo see him calling Partey a rapist, or coming out with a mouthful to Gabriel or whoever else got him riled up, but he’s quite literally the last person in our squad who would racially abuse someone. Hopefully this gets cleared up swiftly and we don’t have weeks of his name being tarnished. Arteta said something along the lines of 'what is said on the pitch should stay on the pitch' which would definitely point towards something non-racial. We'll see I guess.

 

So all in all another shit day in a season that has so far been full of them. The only crumb of comfort from this was that Nunez looked good and seems like he’s ready to kick on now. Unfortunately our problems run way deeper than that. He can’t fix the defensive issues we’re having, and that’s the real crux of it right now. We can’t defend, and if you can’t defend you can’t do anything.

 

Next week against City could be a fucking humiliation. Our weaknesses are in the areas where they are strongest. Finding gaps, threading passes through, exploiting space, they could have a fucking field day next week because I don’t see anything we can do to fix it. If we try to sit back that’s not our game and they’ll pass us to death. If we try to attack them they’ll pass through us at will because we don’t have the intense press that allowed us to have success against before.

 

I genuinely don’t see any way we can avoid defeat in that game and I’m more concerned about how many than I am about losing. In my mind we’ve already lost, I just don’t want it to be an embarrassment. How the fuck did it get this bad so quickly?

 

Roll on the winter World Cup so I can escape this fucking nightmare for a while.

 

 

Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold (Gomez), Matip (Konate), Van Dijk, Tsimikas; Salah (Fabinho), Henderson, Thiago, Diaz (Firmino); Jota (Elliott), Nunez:


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Can't disagree with any of that Dave. I've said for a while that we need to be more pragmatic - including making fouls and taking a yellow 'for the team' on occasions. Same happened v Brighton where we could have sent on an extra defender after we went 3-2 up and closed up shop. That second goal on half time was just ridiculous. We should have played the ball backwards to Allison.

 

We will need something remarkable against City to avoid defeat. Not all that long ago we played them off the park in the Charity Shield with the same group of players - maybe we can pull a rabbit out of the hat with the crowd behind us this time.......even Aston Villa managed to hold them at home...

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The crowd need to put in a full intensity 90 mins next week even if the team don't.

Agree it worries me they could destroy us.

Feels like 5 at the back close the space and pace on the counter.

But as poundland city showed yesterday the devastating inside the full back pass, a city staple and once upon a time ours.

Feels really sad that we are saying stuff like "stay in the game and await a chance to come" that's what we have become 

Still COYR thick and thin.

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While i agree with your piece its telling that even that biased toad Dermot Gallacher is saying that Oliver got both pens wrong.

I don't get the view that he is a good ref. He is a homer and influenced by the crowd the massive shithouse.

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32 minutes ago, index1000 said:

While i agree with your piece its telling that even that biased toad Dermot Gallacher is saying that Oliver got both pens wrong.

I don't get the view that he is a good ref. He is a homer and influenced by the crowd the massive shithouse.

This is the exact reason why VAR was introduced. When it doesn’t do what it was brought in to do, you then need to question if it is fit for purpose and if the people are running it is fit for purpose. On the last part, obviously not. 

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43 minutes ago, index1000 said:

While i agree with your piece its telling that even that biased toad Dermot Gallacher is saying that Oliver got both pens wrong.

I don't get the view that he is a good ref. He is a homer and influenced by the crowd the massive shithouse.

Wow, it’s rare for dopey Dermot to disagree with a decision. The fact that it’s twice in the same game tells you all you need to know about the performance of Oliver and VAR. He used to be the best of a bad bunch. He’s now sunk to the same level of ineptitude (and bias?) we have to suffer on a weekly basis.

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Maybe I'm just getting paranoid but it always seems like if it's a tight call or a decision in our favour that they spend about 5 minutes reviewing it and if it's one against us then it takes about 10 seconds. There was a ridiculously lengthy wait for our first goal to be confirmed at home against Brighton last week. The stream I was watching showed the lines to confirm it was onside at least a good 30 seconds before they finally confirmed it was a goal. It's like they're looking for any possible reason not to give it. Yet they spent about 10 seconds looking at the handball in the first half and for the penalty that was awarded in the second. Maybe you make your own luck, but it does feel like the covid season where we just keep getting really shitty officiating going against us game after game to make things even harder. Fulham and Arsenal both had very soft penalties against us, and they made up some story about VAR decisions giving extra leeway to attackers this year to justify awarding United's second goal against us at Old Trafford (yet don't seem to have given this same extra leeway in a single game since).

 

Not that there weren't enough self-inflicted wounds yesterday. For a team that has won everything the complete ineptitude of our game management was absolutely staggering. Keep it tight and quieten the crowd has been the mantra of pretty much any away team in a big game since football began, yet we just go charging forward and get caught out straight away. Pushing everyone forward for a hopeful punt into the box and getting caught like that for the second goal right on half time has got to be the stupidest goal we've conceded since we threw the game away at Palace chasing goal difference in that 3-3 draw under Rodgers. And whilst the penalty was soft, the Keystones Cops defending that led to it was perhaps even more infuriating. It was generally bordering on farcical how many chances we had to clear it away and just kept screwing it up. 

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On that free kick before half time a simple ball down the wing could easily have got Jota behind on the left side as he had acres of space. Absolute stupidity to play that ball across the pitch.

 

Had a look up on Darren England too. He has a history of not giving us pens on VAR. He hasn't reffed too many games in the Prem and was the fella who disallowed Palace's third against City earlier in the season.

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It's the inevitability of our shitness that's bringing back the bad memories for me. 

 

Even during our darkest days we weren't consistently shit, what made us hard to follow was there'd be a good night and a great performance followed by a total shithouse performance. We're in that zone agian.

 

It took me and probably many others some time to accept those days were behind us, and consistency under Klopp was great, we beat the sides we expected to beat. 

 

Now we're back in that dark zone again where you wouldn't be surprised if we beat City one week then got mullered by Forest the next. It's shit.

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I think the main weakness of Klopp is his inflexibility tactically or where some players are completely undroppable because of blind loyalty.

 

That defeat will feel a kick in the balls and hopefully doesn't knock the wind out the players.

 

We played a really good 1st half but in the 2nd we logged slow as fuck and 2nd to every loose ball.

 

Also, is it me or do we seem to get physically bullied and never win 50/50s? It felt like everything fell to arsenal but it may have been down to better positioning and being quicker and more athletic than us.

 

It feels like a lot of our players are very one footed too where it limits our options in keeping the ball moving. 

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Aside from the football itself, anyone got an idea what this whole investigation is about? Seeing as there seemed to be a load of verbals did wonder if someone is going to be up on a racism charge. Not sure what else could cause the radio silence from all concerned and mean both managers be spoken to.

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1 hour ago, Dave D said:

Maybe Pep will dish out the ultimate insult and rest some of his key players 

Hopefully, it really has the potential to be the football equivalent of a game of thrones episode.

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The players just seem completely brain dead. Constantly making the wrong choices, fucking Jota with that pass sideways just dim as fuck. I'd say klopp should be exasperated by their stupidity but he's doubling down on it. Its bizarre how we go from being a nightmare to play to being the team that's a clown outfit and other sides are laughing about.

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A sobering read Dave but every word I agree with you and said similar in the match thread. To conceed a goal in the first minute is shocking, in my humble opinion. To lose a 2nd in the last minute of added time at the end of the first half is worse and embarassing.

 

I get the players dont know exactly how much time is left but surely away from home and having equalised a 58 second opener for the home team, you play the percentages on that corner. Yes, you try and score but you dont or shouldnt leave yourself open to the counter like that.

 

Virgil sounded totally down in his post match interview like Ive neve rheard before. Sorry to repeat myself but I think we're virtually back to where we were before Jurgen took over. We look utterly rudderless.

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1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The players just seem completely brain dead. Constantly making the wrong choices, fucking Jota with that pass sideways just dim as fuck. I'd say klopp should be exasperated by their stupidity but he's doubling down on it. Its bizarre how we go from being a nightmare to play to being the team that's a clown outfit and other sides are laughing about.

 

Forgot to even mention that in the report. I hammered him on the pod for it as it's one of the most inexplicably stupid things I've seen in a while.

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The really frustrating thing in the first half was that I thought we were pretty good for about 44.5 mins. 

Clearly those bits right at the beginning and end were shocking and like has been said shot us in the foot.

The refs decisions didn't help either. Their first goal looked offside to me and I read tonight that due to issues with VAR they couldn't check whether Saka was offside in the buildup. 

That is not great but the Jota one for me is a stonewall penalty. I get it if the ball is aimlessly going out for a goal kick and it hits a players hand but when it's headed for the penalty spot, where our number 9 is stood and the lad diverts its path with the palm of his hand on what planet can that not be a penalty? So blinking what if he didn't mean it, doesn't stop a goal been given if he scores with his backside does it!

It's typical crap from the referees, overcomplicating something that is really quite simple. 2nd half Gomez gets booked for a throw-in. Why the hell would he be time wasting? Oliver bottled it, that would only happen at Anfield in the 94th minute. 

 

All that aside though, the 2nd half was bad from us I thought. It seemed a mixture of legs going, leadership going and generally being too fucking nice throughout the game. 

 

First half at 1-1 the game was in the balance, for me, until Diaz went off. Arsenal though seemed to realise that he was the problem and were kicking him up in the air. Partey did a black arts fall on him and off he goes. Meanwhile we just left Martinelli alone until Gomez smashed him late on. We just seemed so passive with a lot of their players. For me Konate has to start on Sunday. Virgil and Matip are so bloody passive. They are big lads but dont throw their weight around. 

There was one point we gave away a corner because Matip seemed not to want to hit Hendo so tamely knocked it behind.

In midfield, crikey, the same. How many times did we want to tamely try and clear it. 

 

I can start to see the attraction to Klopp of Milner. At least he doesn't pussy foot about and shows some real leadership. Maybe it's confidence but you can see Klopp sees it like we do. He shouldn't be blaming himself for not shouting at one of his many (experienced) players to stay back moments before half time. 

 

Losing Diaz was a body blow as it seemed to rob us of the vast majority of our energy but had we been more aggressive and got in amongst them more we still could have won. Considering how bad we were and how good they are meant to be that was the most frustrating thing. 

 

We have to be more aggressive Vs City and somehow we need to keep the tempo up against them for 90 mins. 

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4 hours ago, Code said:

We have lost two games this season in the league, with even just half decent referees we would still be unbeaten. 

Or half decent Salah performances….

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I don't really go in for the corruption talk, I just think they're shite. It's an old boys' network with people like Roy Hodgson despatched on UEFA fact-finding missions to St Tropez and Trevor Brooking put in charge of youth development. 

 

Var is shite for the same reason England never - ever - wins anything. It's a cabal of half-wits designed to keep each other in employment at all costs. 

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