Dudek: Gerrard is the perfect candidate to take over from Klopp

Please let it stop. 

No thanks.

FUCKS SAKE

"Stevie still has a bit to prove as a manager which he will readily admit, but if he does orchestrate a powershift in Glasgow in the next few seasons, then he will certainly have a strong case."

Who wrote it? A 'bit to prove'? Second in a third-world-league before becoming manager of the European Champions? He could win the league by 20 points season on season and it would say nothing about his merits to become next Liverpool manager - see:Rodgers.

He'd need to get to the final of a European competition with Rangers to even merit being in the conversation. Has the trepitous path United have walked shown nothing?   

I've a lot of time for Stevie, but look at how Neil Lennon and Martin O' Neill fared after winning everything in sight in the same league, and he's a huge distance from getting anywhere near their achievements up there.

Rodgers got out at the right time. He probably recognised that Celtic have no interest in improving their side to make a real impact in Europe.

Stevie should look at a role in the Championship. He'll find out a lot more about management there. 

10 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

I've a lot of time for Stevie, but look at how Neil Lennon and Martin O' Neill fared after winning everything in sight in the same league, and he's a huge distance from getting anywhere near their achievements up there.

 

Rodgers got out at the right time. He probably recognised that Celtic have no interest in improving their side to make a real impact in Europe.

 

Stevie should look at a role in the Championship. He'll find out a lot more about management there. 

Not sure why Rodgers would think about Europe with Celtic as a reason for leaving,he was not bothered that much when at a then five times European Cup winning club.

How can Dudek say he was really surprised Gerrard went into management and then say he’d make a great LFC manager? Ridiculous article!

Nope.

Loads of Stevie Gerrard haters with short memories in here. Makes me sick. Best fans in the world? Yeah, right. Show some fucking respect. 

Gerrard , Alonso  don't really care as long as they are part of the Klopp setup in his last season .  Continuity of recruitment,transfers and playing style is required. I echo other posters here who are surprised at negativity towards Stevie. Quite simply he could have retired to the pundit chair instead he has shown he wants to be a manager. If he shows himself to be off the required quality then yes he does deserve to jump to the head of the queue as a future LFC manager based on what he did for the club during his playing career. 

44 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Loads of Stevie Gerrard haters with short memories in here. Makes me sick. Best fans in the world? Yeah, right. Show some fucking respect. 

Fucking Glasgow Rangers fanboy.

Not really, you had enough muppets blaming him for not winning matches single handedly as a player, never mind a manager. 

Him being a club legend is irrelevant and so is whatever he does at Rangers because we all know winning stuff in Scotland means nothing.

It will depend on his style of football and charisma. If those two things are transferable at the highest level then it's possible he could deserve being Liverpool manager.

Pep Linders is the prime candidate.

After that, Andy Robertson.

I love Stevie but it needs to be the right time for him to be our manager. I don’t want his reputation spoiled. Just think 2022 or whenever it is Jürgen might leave might be too early.

I think he’d have the mentality side of things nailed down.  He’d command respect from any player worth having.  My main issue would be tactically and day to day training.  The reason we are punching above our weight at the moment is because we’ve got a very creative, driven, original thinker in charge.  He’s got a way of playing and doesn’t blink if something goes wrong.  To do what we do I think requires some meticulous training that Klopp has built up by having brilliant coaches around him over years of experience from working at different clubs.

Saying he needs prem experience or he needs to win something in Europe with Rangers etc is nonsense.  Rangers aren’t going to get anywhere in Europe with the financial constraints they have and taking over any prem team basically ends in tears.  He just needs to show that he’s got something special, he can get the best out of players and upset the odds.  He hasn’t shown that for me yet but it’s very early doors.  I think when Klopp leaves it will be too soon for him which is fine because he’s got plenty of time.

They do need to bring him back into the club though.  I think time spent with Klopp would have been a lot more beneficial than taking a job so early in his coaching career.  He spent the majority of his career playing for defensive managers both for club and country.  Even in just a season at Rangers I feel like that comes through.  There’s so much detail to attacking now.  I think gone are the times when football was simple being complicated.  It is actually quite complicated these days and if you’re not ahead of the curve you will struggle.

If FSG are smart they will have the coaching structure firmly in place to continue on. I think they are moving in that direction - when Buvac left I think there was a change in that aspect.

They will also have a firm hand on recruitment (which I think they already do). At that point you need a personality at the top to match the club and quite frankly Klopp himself.  

Give him a year under Klopp and he would have more experience than Guardiola had when he took over at Barca.

2 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Him being a club legend is irrelevant and so is whatever he does at Rangers because we all know winning stuff in Scotland means nothing.

 

It will depend on his style of football and charisma. If those two things are transferable at the highest level then it's possible he could deserve being Liverpool manager.

 

Gerrard? 

5 hours ago, The Guest said:

I think he’d have the mentality side of things nailed down.  He’d command respect from any player worth having...

 

Saying he needs prem experience or he needs to win something in Europe with Rangers etc is nonsense.  Rangers aren’t going to get anywhere in Europe with the financial constraints they have and taking over any prem team basically ends in tears.  He just needs to show that he’s got something special, he can get the best out of players and upset the odds.

So how do you quantify this "something special", then, if not through actual trophies and European pedigree (and by the way, Walter Smith took a Barry Ferguson & David Weir-led side to the final little over a decade ago)? Dortmund had a smaller wage bill than QPR the season Klopp got them to the European Cup final. Klopp got them there because he is a genius. And no, Klopp wasn't a genius as a player .. if this lark was all in reverse, and his managerial career had come before his playing days, you wouldn't be pitching for second-division footballer Jurgen Klopp to replace Van Dijk in the centre of defence. Its a completely different profession and if FSG are good for anything especially you'd think it'd be having the cold-hearted analytical nous to see that.

Bryan Robson, presumably, commanded the respect of players. As did Roy Keane. And Souness. And all were absolute car-wrecks in management, ironically Souness being by far the best manager of the lot and still not remotely near the grade for us.

Guardiola is an absolute all-time managerial great. For every Guardiola (of whom equivalent managers in history you can probably count on two hands), there's a hundred Zolas, Sounesses, Hyypias, Gullits and on and on. The presumptious idea that Gerrard is merited a place back at the club based on his playing exploits is the same road of dangerous logic that landed Solskjaer back at United.

If he wins a European trophy with Rangers or shows some tact at that level of competition (O'Neil came close to winning it with Celtic; as mentioned above Rangers even played in a final themselves more recently than Istanbul/Athens for us) then he should of course enter the reckoning. But I'd be shocked if Gerrard were progressed to that level; just as he was an infinitely better player than Lampard, I would imagine Lampard will have far stronger the career in management.

What could Guardiola have shown is a single season as the B team manager that Gerrard hasn't already?

I am not saying that he should be anointed -- but he already has more in his locker, at his stage,  in terms of experience , than most.

And there are some pretty decent managers included in "most".

5 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Gerrard? 

Single-handedly picked Scottish football up off the floor just by his mere presence. Doesn’t get much more charismatic than that. 

The big problem with Gerrard as our manager after Klopp would be a complete lack of experience. Klopp is 52 years old and has spent almost 20 years learning his trade as a top level coach and manager. In Germany,and most of Europe,you arent just handed your coaching licences,you have to work bloody hard to get them. And on top of that you attend courses on nutrition,sports medicine,sports physiotherapy,psychology and so on. Klopp has accumulated that,Rafa and Houllier had that and it was because it took them years to achieve getting to that level. Gerrard needs at least 5-10 years before he gets anywhere near that level and I'd like to think he knows it too.

1 hour ago, Alex_K said:

 

So how do you quantify this "something special", then, if not through actual trophies and European pedigree (and by the way, Walter Smith took a Barry Ferguson & David Weir-led side to the final little over a decade ago)? Dortmund had a smaller wage bill than QPR the season Klopp got them to the European Cup final. Klopp got them there because he is a genius. And no, Klopp wasn't a genius as a player .. if this lark was all in reverse, and his managerial career had come before his playing days, you wouldn't be pitching for second-division footballer Jurgen Klopp to replace Van Dijk in the centre of defence. Its a completely different profession and if FSG are good for anything especially you'd think it'd be having the cold-hearted analytical nous to see that.

 

Bryan Robson, presumably, commanded the respect of players. As did Roy Keane. And Souness. And all were absolute car-wrecks in management, ironically Souness being by far the best manager of the lot and still not remotely near the grade for us.

 

Guardiola is an absolute all-time managerial great. For every Guardiola (of whom equivalent managers in history you can probably count on two hands), there's a hundred Zolas, Sounesses, Hyypias, Gullits and on and on. The presumptious idea that Gerrard is merited a place back at the club based on his playing exploits is the same road of dangerous logic that landed Solskjaer back at United.

 

If he wins a European trophy with Rangers or shows some tact at that level of competition (O'Neil came close to winning it with Celtic; as mentioned above Rangers even played in a final themselves more recently than Istanbul/Athens for us) then he should of course enter the reckoning. But I'd be shocked if Gerrard were progressed to that level; just as he was an infinitely better player than Lampard, I would imagine Lampard will have far stronger the career in management.

You’re talking yourself in circles whilst also coming out with complete shite.  It’s actually interesting to see how someone can make a cunt of themselves in four paragraphs.

It’s almost as if you didn’t read any of my post other than the first line then created this whole argument in your head where you’ve come up with this really insightful “original” thought about great players not always making great managers and decided to educate us all on it with various examples of which absolute nobody on this forum or actually anywhere in the footballing world has ever come across before.  They should probably employ you at the athletic.

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

What could Guardiola have shown is a single season as the B team manager that Gerrard hasn't already?

 

 

I am not saying that he should be anointed -- but he already has more in his locker, at his stage,  in terms of experience , than most.

 

And there are some pretty decent managers included in "most".

 

Presumably, irrespective of results, he had ideas about the game which were impossible to ignore. For example, he took Busquets and Pedro with him from the B team, got rid of players like Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic and Deco, put Messi in the middle, etc... People say he had a silver spoon, but managers fail at massive clubs all the time. Guardiola obviously had something special. 

Rangers is a far lower level, but similarly he would have to show he could innovate and have a style of football that is exciting and also coherent. And then if he does that, honours would probably follow and you'd look at how he got there instead of that he actually won something. For example, if he won a treble like Rodgers and got into the Champions League playing crap football it shouldn't increase his chance of managing Liverpool, in my opinion.

Perfect timing for Milner to retire in 3 years and take over. Big games James will live on