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"How do you feel about Luis Suarez now compared to six months ago?"

    As the controversial Uruguayan prepares to make his long awaited return from a 10 game suspension at Old Trafford this Wednesday night, we asked three TLW contributors if their opinion of the man who struck 30 goals last season has changed after his antics over the summer. . .

 

I'm not sure I feel very different, to be honest. Post Carra, football heroes are a thing of the past for me anyway and besides, the Torres debacle coming after the Gerrard dalliances (yes I know that's old news, but it's still relevant to my opinion in this context) had already taught me that these fellas are simply employees who will behave however they think is best for their own careers. So, I was under no illusions about the loyalty or otherwise of Luis Suarez.

 

Don't get me wrong - I think he behaved despicably showing a callous disregard for the support of both club and fans that went far above and beyond the norm over the course of his two major and numerous minor indiscretions as a Liverpool player. The fact is though that I wasn't surprised in the slightest. Anyone who can pull the stunts he's pulled on the pitch is more than capable of turning on his own (as we - but crucially not he - see ourselves).

 

That all said, I'm equally still a little bit amused by him too. That Uruguayan bank advert that he's currently starring in definitely had me guiltily catching myself thinking, "What a little scamp". And I know I'll go nuts when I next see him score at Anfield, not to mention eulogise his talent to the heavens when he does something ridiculously good (as opposed to bad) on the pitch. I mean let's be honest, there won't be many Reds who'll resist the urge to go wild if he scores the winner at Old Trafford tomorrow night will there?

 

No, my view remains largely the same: he's a tit but he's (just about, still) our tit and I intend to enjoy the highs and shrug off the lows as best as I can while he still remains.

 

Paul Natton

 


 

The ridiculous plotlines that the Luis Suarez show has thrown at us since April have probably led to the positive feelings many fans had towards him taking a serious denting but, given that warming to him was something I’ve always struggled with, it has had very little effect on the way in which I view him. 

 

The fact that he’s a outrageously talented footballer hasn’t changed at all and nor has the nagging feeling I’ve held that you cannot construct a team around a player whose play regularly follows so little structure and who will most likely be a temporary resident in the squad. It’s almost certain that when he once again slips on a red shirt after his ten game ban I’ll still spend an equal amount of time shaking my head at the brilliance of his nutmegs and jack-knife turns as I will his infuriating and embarrassing feigning of injury and incessant whining to referees. He’ll still be an exciting genius. He’ll still be a terrible snide.

 

If I do think a little less of him it probably isn’t for the reasons many will. That a man seemingly so driven by winning would push so hard for a move to Arsenal has made me question his desire to reach the top of his game, as opposed to just earning more money. That move would have pushed back any possible glances towards Barca or Real Madrid by at least two seasons, at which point has the moment passed for him? Possibly? Probably? In sinking his teeth into Ivanovic he’s also gone down in my estimations with regards to his mental strengths as a player; in that he’s clearly more stupid and reckless than I thought possible. Less the sort of functioning crazy that sees Howlin’ Mad Murdoch turning up to rescue you in a chopper when you need it, more just unhinged and invariably unavailable. 

 

In March watching Liverpool games would intermittently feature fluctuating emotions that left me torn. The most creative and effective Liverpool player, that was coasting past three men and drilling efforts into the bottom corner, was one that typifies a lot of what I hate in the game. Other than the fact there is now no remaining slither of the illusion that he might have formed a bond with the club or the city, and so would hang around, almost nothing has happened to stop those conflicting thoughts being the main things that pass through my mind when I think of Suarez. I’ll cheer the goals, I’ll sigh at the theatrics and at some point before the start of next season it’ll be the fans of another club’s conundrum to struggle with.

 

Stu Montagu

 


 

The last player that I had a real affinity with at Liverpool was Xabi Alonso. I was left disgusted with the way that Torres left but Xabi’s departure left me disillusioned with the team and manager as a whole. After those two I’ve never felt that attached to any Liverpool player (Stevie and Carragher aside obviously) because I’m an adult, and players don’t give a second thought to the fans despite the lip service they often pay.  

 

Our number seven knows all about lip service, he spoke often about how happy he was at Liverpool, then he decided to dump all over that with his open courtship of anyone who would have him with a transfer strategy that had ‘any port in a storm’ written all over it. 

 

He comes with so much baggage on the field that it would be difficult to forgive if he wasn’t so good at football. Unfortunately this summer he ignited the bridges he had with the club off the field and they burnt right through with me. I no longer care if he plays for us or not. He dragged the club’s name through the mud during his ‘moments’ and play acting and the club’s support counted for nothing as he tried to bin us off. I’m done with him, I won’t chant his name anymore and nothing he does will convince me otherwise short of him pitching up at my front door with a bag full of money and a mug full of that weird drink he’s always got in his hand (my loyalty, like his, can be bought).

 

He’s a Liverpool player and whilst he grafts in the shirt he’ll get my backing but as a person I think he’s a sly toad. Fabulous player, flawed person with questionable values.

 

I never fully embraced him because the last player I truly admired was sold and the last player who I thought loved the club turned on it as soon as a better offer came along. I always held number seven at arms length as a result and wasn’t let down this summer. I was angry; furious that he would sell us up the river for Arsenal but not let down. It’s a marriage of convenience now and he’ll only stay if we qualify for the Champions League. We know it, he knows it and at least we all know where we stand now.

 

If I was sceptical about him before this summer I was sad to see him prove me right. On top of the Evra thing, the diving, the finger to Fulham fans and the biting, it turns out a public show of disloyalty was the thing I couldn’t stomach after all. 

 

Julian Richards


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I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve.

 

In terms of entertainment, he's the best player in the world alongside Messi and Neymar. In terms of effectiveness, he's a little behind Messi and Ronaldo, but that's different criteria. He makes me like watching football, he makes me feel like a kid watching a grainy VHS of Italian footballers in the late 80's. He makes me, a grown man, wants to buy a shirt with his name on the back.

 

You can say what you like about 'affinity' and 'loyalty', but all that goes out the window in the real world. If a player is shit then the affinity and loyalty from the fans disappears or never even starts, as Aspas is finding out.

 

Whereas if you are World Class and you don't show affinity and loyalty to the fans, then they throw a titty lip and say he's a disgrace.

 

 

I remember the City fans saying Tevez was a disgrace, and then he came back and helped them to win the league and he was brilliant again. I always admired Tevez. He didn't hide the fact he was a gun-for-hire, but he seldom let you down when you called on him. Refusing the come off the bench, mental but understandable in the heat of the moment, latino bastards. But I always felt he offered better value for money, at about £150k a week, than someone like Milner or Nasri or Barry or even Toure, because when he played he did so at 100% and he offered massive quality. I see the same thing with Suarez, I don't hold his 'disloyalty' against him, he's just another one of these gun-for-hire players. Playing football for him is primal, he can't help but run at full pelt and put the ball in the back of the net, or cheat or bite his way to the front of the queue. It's compelling viewing and I love that he plays for us.

 

Had he gone to La Liga, I would probably have paid for my Sky Sports subscription again.

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The same.

 

I think he's the best player in the country and believe watching authentic genius on a weekly basis is a privilege. I didn't really care as it was happening and I don't really care now that he wanted to leave. I've long made my peace with what the modern footballer is and, over the last few years, accepting that we've been contaminated by the toxicity of 21st century football.

 

If you demand, as fans do, shows of allegiance from players you're asking to be lied to and really by this point, people should know better. I am very much looking forward to seeng Suarez back in the team, as he drastically improves the prospect of this season not being shit.

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if he had only flirted with madrid and even ended up going i'd love him the same as I did at the end of last season. 

 

he waved his cock at arsenal then took ages putting it right (once he realised the club told him no fucking chance)

 

i still love him but slightly less than I did .

 

although.... play with the same gusto as last season and that will change no doubt. 

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The way he acted and belittled us for fucking arsenal I was livid. I'm looking forward to him being back he's an amazing player we can utilize him for the short time he has left, then sell him abroad for a huge fee, thanks and laters.

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I thought, after the support we gave him over the last couple of years, that we meant something to him. He's a cunt but I assumed he would feel an affinity to the fans that meant more than fucking off to Arsenal for a bit more money. Ah well, he's still a sublime player but I feel no warmth to him any more.

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the papers said arse were after him, sly sports as well...say no more... leave the guy alone and see what the rest of the season brings...

So he didn't actually try to leave us to go to Arsenal? That was just a press fabrication?

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A player of his talent deserves to play for a better team than one that has been hovering around 7th and 8th place for the past few years. I completely understand his reasons for wanting to leave us.

 

I was annoyed that he considered moving to Arsenal, but I was more annoyed with Arsenal for how they approached the transfer.

 

We have seen both sides of Suarez over the years, The incredible skills and goals, but also the bite, and the over theatrical dives at times.

 

I genuinely can't wait to have him back though, and as long as he is giving his all in a red shirt for us then we are a much stronger force than we are without him.  

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The same.

 

I think he's the best player in the country and believe watching authentic genius on a weekly basis is a privilege. I didn't really care as it was happening and I don't really care now that he wanted to leave. I've long made my peace with what the modern footballer is and, over the last few years, accepting that we've been contaminated by the toxicity of 21st century football.

 

If you demand, as fans do, shows of allegiance from players you're asking to be lied to and really by this point, people should know better. I am very much looking forward to seeng Suarez back in the team, as he drastically improves the prospect of this season not being shit.

 

You are Arnie Vinick and I claim my five pounds.

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Mad to think if he leaves we may not see another player of his calibre in a red shirt for some time.

 

He's a warrior on the pitch, no one else in the squad comes close.

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Mad to think if he leaves we may not see another player of his calibre in a red shirt for some time.

 

He's a warrior on the pitch, no one else in the squad comes close.

we probably thought the same after st john, keegan, dalglish, rush, Beardsley, barnes,  fowler, owen, torres

 

we will see plenty more of his calibre don't worry.

 

by the way he couldn't lace Ian Rush or John Barnes's boots

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we probably thought the same after st john, keegan, dalglish, rush, Beardsley, barnes,  fowler, owen, torres

 

we will see plenty more of his calibre don't worry.

 

by the way he couldn't lace Ian Rush or John Barnes's boots

 

We've seen this summer just how difficult it is to attract top players now we've established ourselves outside of the top 4.

 

It's more realism than pessimissm.

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We've seen this summer just how difficult it is to attract top players now we've established ourselves outside of the top 4.

 

It's more realism than pessimissm.

but out of those names I quoted none were superstars before they came here - we made them - like we made torres and suarez

there will be plenty more

did you know that Gareth Bale was offered to Middlesbrough plus 15m for Stuart  Downing ?

And Boro turned it down

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When was the last time we finished 4 seasons consecutively outside of the 'top 4'?

 

Let's accept the fact we are now a different proposition and it's why a player of Suarez's calibre will inevitably leave

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When was the last time we finished 4 seasons consecutively outside of the 'top 4'?

 

Let's accept the fact we are now a different proposition and it's why a player of Suarez's calibre will inevitably leave

 

He probably will leave - like rush like owen like fowler - my point is someone else will come along

even when we was the greatest team on the planet players left us (souness,Rush)

that's football

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He's a brilliant footballer who wants to win things and earn lots of money. Well there's a surprise! He's what 27 now? He knows he's at his peak and someone of his ability needs to be playing in the top competitions. Wasn't overly impressed by his dalliance with Arsenal, but do understand it and unless we improve considerably he will be off, so I'm just going to enjoy his utter madness for the next 3-8 months whilst he's still playing for us. I'm half expecting a red card on Wednesday and a 3 game ban...

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