Halsey: Referee standards have dropped to alarming levels  

37 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Cheers mate. 

No worries mate.

Poor refereeing again today. There is no consistency.

There was supposed to be a directive to make anyone who goes down with a minor injury to go off the pitch rather than just sit there until someone brings a nice bottle of water out for them. Wolves players were allowed to do that several times. 

The ref books MacAllister for waving a hand at a player, and then he just watches when one of their players leaps on top of one of ours and flattens him. And he kept ignoring blatant fouls as they tired and started lurching into tackles.

Utterly hopeless, and Oliver is supposed to be one of the best.

Tossers now so in control of the narrative that all voices pointing out their shiteness are shut down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66914216

While the grass roots attacks on refs are awful, I feel it has become an easy out for the PGMOL to avoid any criticism of their officials.

I do think we need to stay a bit calmer about refs this season though, as Jurgen's ridiculous rant against Brooks did us no favours whatsoever. There are obviously a few notably dubious refs in our games, but overall the temptation as committed fans is to fume over every incident against us but forget or dismiss every positive decision.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea for Jurgen to dish out a bit of praise whenever we get a half-decent ref. We need to kill off the narrative that it’s Jurgen against the world.  

15 hours ago, sir roger said:

While the grass roots attacks on refs are awful, I feel it has become an easy out for the PGMOL to avoid any criticism of their officials.

 

I do think we need to stay a bit calmer about refs this season though, as Jurgen's ridiculous rant against Brooks did us no favours whatsoever. There are obviously a few notably dubious refs in our games, but overall the temptation as committed fans is to fume over every incident against us but forget or dismiss every positive decision.

I was about to say they seem to relish in the "what about the grass roots" thing..here's a tip..if you want to make life easier for grass roots refs, stop being shit, corrupt cunts. 

Anyone who has refereed will tell you how difficult the job is. Decisions that look obvious from the terraces are often trickier than they appear. I’m not alone in having given decisions based on players’ reactions rather than my view of the incident. 
 

There needs to be more appreciation of that but VAR is not helping. Refs feel they can be bailed out by someone at stockley park so avoid having to commit. This ends up with everyone looking more stupid. 
 

Bin VAR, get back to refs and linesmen making decisions and the rest of us accept they will get the odd decision wrong. 

17 hours ago, sir roger said:

While the grass roots attacks on refs are awful, I feel it has become an easy out for the PGMOL to avoid any criticism of their officials.

 

I do think we need to stay a bit calmer about refs this season though, as Jurgen's ridiculous rant against Brooks did us no favours whatsoever. There are obviously a few notably dubious refs in our games, but overall the temptation as committed fans is to fume over every incident against us but forget or dismiss every positive decision.

Agreed . I would add the rush to call refs “corrupt “ every time they fuck us over on a marginal call doesn’t help . Corruption in my book means bribery and I’ve seen no evidence PL refs are taking bungs . If there is a conspiracy then I would be amazed it’s not been leaked given the number of people that must be itk . I’m sure refs like some players/teams more than others so fair enough to question impartially but I doubt much of that is pre-meditated.

I think most refs are more concerned about getting pilloried over bad decisions than just focusing on the game . I’ve some sympathy when every move they make is under the microscope. 

1 hour ago, magicrat said:

Agreed . I would add the rush to call refs “corrupt “ every time they fuck us over on a marginal call doesn’t help . Corruption in my book means bribery and I’ve seen no evidence PL refs are taking bungs . If there is a conspiracy then I would be amazed it’s not been leaked given the number of people that must be itk . I’m sure refs like some players/teams more than others so fair enough to question impartially but I doubt much of that is pre-meditated.

I think most refs are more concerned about getting pilloried over bad decisions than just focusing on the game . I’ve some sympathy when every move they make is under the microscope. 

Corruption doesn't mean bribery. I referee kids football and there are 2 clubs that I give nothing too. First club cancelled a game, informed the opposition but not me, I turned up early the morning after Paddy's day to no game. Some of the kids still facing the retribution for that decision we're not even born then.

The 2nd club reported me for not reporting a red card,  I sent off a young fella for throwing a dig, a dig I'd love to have given him myself because I suspected they were racially abusing the kid. That must have 5 or 6 years ago and the grudge is showing no sign of easing.

That's little old me, I'd imagine if some multimillionaire cunt of a manager abused me in front of a audience of millions, I would get him back and use my mates to get him back too. 

I used to know a sales rep who used to visit our office and he was a FIFA linesman and did loads of big games. He told me once he was running the line at an old firm game and an incident happened by his line but he was looking elsewhere at the time and missed it. He said the crowd behind him went fucking mental screaming all sorts and he shat himself. Up went the flag waving furiously. Ref came over and asked was that a red. Defo defo he said and the ref sent the player off.

21 minutes ago, No2 said:

Corruption doesn't mean bribery. I referee kids football and there are 2 clubs that I give nothing too. First club cancelled a game, informed the opposition but not me, I turned up early the morning after Paddy's day to no game. Some of the kids still facing the retribution for that decision we're not even born then.

 

The 2nd club reported me for not reporting a red card,  I sent off a young fella for throwing a dig, a dig I'd love to have given him myself because I suspected they were racially abusing the kid. That must have 5 or 6 years ago and the grudge is showing no sign of easing.

 

That's little old me, I'd imagine if some multimillionaire cunt of a manager abused me in front of a audience of millions, I would get him back and use my mates to get him back too. 

Shame on you.

42 minutes ago, No2 said:

Corruption doesn't mean bribery. I referee kids football and there are 2 clubs that I give nothing too. First club cancelled a game, informed the opposition but not me, I turned up early the morning after Paddy's day to no game. Some of the kids still facing the retribution for that decision we're not even born then.

 

The 2nd club reported me for not reporting a red card,  I sent off a young fella for throwing a dig, a dig I'd love to have given him myself because I suspected they were racially abusing the kid. That must have 5 or 6 years ago and the grudge is showing no sign of easing.

 

That's little old me, I'd imagine if some multimillionaire cunt of a manager abused me in front of a audience of millions, I would get him back and use my mates to get him back too. 

You are Kevin Friend and I claim my fiver

I have no issue with refs making errors. It's a bollox when it's my team on the receiving end but it is understandable. Every single one of the 23 on the pitch make mistakes.

It does get on my tits how powerful they are, though, and it has got worse since that prick Webb is in charge. If they were accountable and decisions transparent, then the feeling that some refs have a biased against Liverpool (or other clubs) diminishes. 

Referees should be a cog in the wheel of the game. At the moment, it feels like they are driving the bike. 

6 hours ago, No2 said:

Corruption doesn't mean bribery. I referee kids football and there are 2 clubs that I give nothing too. First club cancelled a game, informed the opposition but not me, I turned up early the morning after Paddy's day to no game. Some of the kids still facing the retribution for that decision we're not even born then.

 

The 2nd club reported me for not reporting a red card,  I sent off a young fella for throwing a dig, a dig I'd love to have given him myself because I suspected they were racially abusing the kid. That must have 5 or 6 years ago and the grudge is showing no sign of easing.

 

That's little old me, I'd imagine if some multimillionaire cunt of a manager abused me in front of a audience of millions, I would get him back and use my mates to get him back too. 

PL refs absolutely operate in the same way. It staggers me people think they wouldn't.

26 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

PL refs absolutely operate in the same way. It staggers me people think they wouldn't.

They do. Shame on them. Tfeh!

6 hours ago, No2 said:

Corruption doesn't mean bribery. I referee kids football and there are 2 clubs that I give nothing too. First club cancelled a game, informed the opposition but not me, I turned up early the morning after Paddy's day to no game. Some of the kids still facing the retribution for that decision we're not even born then.

 

The 2nd club reported me for not reporting a red card,  I sent off a young fella for throwing a dig, a dig I'd love to have given him myself because I suspected they were racially abusing the kid. That must have 5 or 6 years ago and the grudge is showing no sign of easing.

 

That's little old me, I'd imagine if some multimillionaire cunt of a manager abused me in front of a audience of millions, I would get him back and use my mates to get him back too. 

You’re a ref?

Fucking wanker.

I reffed my youngest lad's game at the weekend and the amount of whining from both sets of players over the slightest contact from the opposition was doing my fucking head in. If prem refs weren't so shite and inconsistent, I'd be fully behind a rule that means no players talk to the ref unless asked, let alone swear at them.

17 hours ago, Barnesey said:

Anyone who has refereed will tell you how difficult the job is. Decisions that look obvious from the terraces are often trickier than they appear. I’m not alone in having given decisions based on players’ reactions rather than my view of the incident. 
 

There needs to be more appreciation of that but VAR is not helping. Refs feel they can be bailed out by someone at stockley park so avoid having to commit. This ends up with everyone looking more stupid. 
 

Bin VAR, get back to refs and linesmen making decisions and the rest of us accept they will get the odd decision wrong. 

I don't doubt it's hard, but isn't this why it's their job? I don't think you can say anyone who reffed will tell you, because it's unlikely any of them have don't it for 20 years professionally. I'm sure loads of people would find pretty much every skilled job hard if they'd never been a professional in that line of work. I've no doubt it's a tough job, but they're meant to be the pinnacle, nobody should be better, except we see week after week they don't even have a command of the laws of the game. That's not even going down the "they've never played" route. I mean week after week we see referees, highlighted by double failure on var, seem I'll equipped to apply even the most basic laws of the game. 

17 hours ago, magicrat said:

Agreed . I would add the rush to call refs “corrupt “ every time they fuck us over on a marginal call doesn’t help . Corruption in my book means bribery and I’ve seen no evidence PL refs are taking bungs . If there is a conspiracy then I would be amazed it’s not been leaked given the number of people that must be itk . I’m sure refs like some players/teams more than others so fair enough to question impartially but I doubt much of that is pre-meditated.

I think most refs are more concerned about getting pilloried over bad decisions than just focusing on the game . I’ve some sympathy when every move they make is under the microscope. 

Corruption doesn't need to be monetary. All you need to do is listen to what mike Dean talked about the other week, he didn't want to highlight his mate got something wrong because he'd had a hard day..that's corruption - the professional and personal interests of his mate were more important than carrying out his duties . And as @dave u and @No2 point out, it just needs refs not to want to give you something. Anyone who saw the decisions made off the pitch by Howard Webb and on the pitch by his refs and vars since the klopp incident and doesn't think there's bias and corruption, doesn't want to see it. 

14 hours ago, dave u said:

 

PL refs absolutely operate in the same way. It staggers me people think they wouldn't.

I reff’d many years ago in the Wavertree junior alliance . Top of the table clash . I awarded a penalty for a blatant handball on the goal line and then sent off the defender for calling me a cunt. The performance of the rest of his team and their coaches was fucking terrible after that. All kinds of aggressive shit being hurled Last minute one of their forwards gets tripped right on the edge of the penalty box It was inside the box - I gave the fuckers a free kick. Happy days

8 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

I don't doubt it's hard, but isn't this why it's their job? I don't think you can say anyone who reffed will tell you, because it's unlikely any of them have don't it for 20 years professionally. I'm sure loads of people would find pretty much every skilled job hard if they'd never been a professional in that line of work. I've no doubt it's a tough job, but they're meant to be the pinnacle, nobody should be better, except we see week after week they don't even have a command of the laws of the game. That's not even going down the "they've never played" route. I mean week after week we see referees, highlighted by double failure on var, seem I'll equipped to apply even the most basic laws of the game. 

 

Corruption doesn't need to be monetary. All you need to do is listen to what mike Dean talked about the other week, he didn't want to highlight his mate got something wrong because he'd had a hard day..that's corruption - the professional and personal interests of his mate were more important than carrying out his duties . And as @dave u and @No2 point out, it just needs refs not to want to give you something. Anyone who saw the decisions made off the pitch by Howard Webb and on the pitch by his refs and vars since the klopp incident and doesn't think there's bias and corruption, doesn't want to see it. 

 

I don’t disagree but rather than get involved in a bout of semantics suffice to say I think it’s more nuanced than labelling it all as corrupt.

' They don't have command of the laws '

Probably because the laws (  or the interpretation of them) is changing month by month, and from a position of virtual clarity on the likes of offsides and handballs, we have ended up in a Kafkaesque nightmare of gobbledegook around these laws. It used to be a running joke that women couldn't understand offside, but now referees can't understand it.

My suggestions off the top of my head.

Handball - must be deliberate,  or stopping a goal. If it deflects off any other part of the player to the hand it is not handball.

Offside - use the furthest forward bit of the attackers foot and the furthest back bit of the defenders foot, and if not sure after 30 seconds its a goal.

On 26/09/2023 at 14:23, Jurgen Knows said:

Shame on you.

2 hours ago, Reacher said:

 

 

Meh 

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