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Groundhog Day. It feels like we’ve lost every home game 1-0 for months. I actually said that to someone yesterday and they corrected me that the Derby actually ended 2-0. Not to me it didn’t. I’d blocked that second goal out because the penalty they got was so egregious. So the point remains. Every fucking home game seems to be the same now.

 

We never score in the first half anymore and we barely score any in the second. As soon as we concede you know it’s over. We have plenty of the ball but give up more chances than we create. We usually have a bright ten minutes to start the second half but when that doesn’t produce a goal it all just fizzles out. Every. Fucking. Game.

 

The worst part about this loss was that I absolutely expected it. We’re the Champions, we’re facing a bottom three team and I’m going into it absolutely convinced that we’ll lose. It wasn’t irrational either as there was absolutely nothing to suggest we would win the game other than wishful thinking.

 

We’re playing so badly right now at Anfield that I don’t think we’re capable of beating anybody. I’m made up that Champions League tie has been moved because there’s definitely some kind of mental block with the players at Anfield now. Not that we’re much better away from home, but we aren’t quite as shit.

 

I think the sight of the empty seats might just be depressing them and reminding them what they’re missing. They’re clearly feeling sorry for themselves, it’s blatantly obvious every time they go behind. It’s not that the lads aren’t trying, but they aren’t going out there with that mentality where they just refuse to lose either.

 

Every team we come up against wants it more. Fulham wanted it more. Just like Brighton did. And Everton. And Burnley. And loads of other teams that have beaten us. I can’t even keep track now as we’re losing all the fucking time.

 

It doesn’t matter who plays either, the performance is exactly the same regardless of personnel. You can bring in Shaq or Origi up top, Neco at full back or Keita or Ox in midfield, what does it matter? None of them are doing any better than the first choice players they’re replacing, who themselves aren’t delivering. It’s all fucked now and I don’t know how we get out of this. The hole seems too deep.

 

Klopp doesn’t know how to get us out of it. I said that the other night but it’s just becoming more and more obvious. He just stands there, watching in stunned silence. Occasionally there’s a rueful smile when we miss a rare chance or a decision goes against us, but he was actually angrier when we were good. There are no bollockings, no calling players out publicly, he’s just backing them 100% nd taking all the blame himself.

 

Not that I’m holding that against him. Who knows what his mental state is right now after what he’s had to deal with. I’d like to see him take the fucking stick to the players instead of feeding them carrots all the time, but he must have his reasons. 

 

Some of this mess is on him but most of it is on the players. They were top at Christmas but now look at them? There’s just no way that can be pinned on Klopp. He might be unable to fix it but I’m not going to say he’s the one that broke it because he isn’t. The players’ toothless performances and general lack of fight in the face of adversity did that.

 

And you know, I’m getting sick of hearing about how the lack of centre halves is the cause of this. Nah, it just fucking isn’t. We’re letting in one goal a game but somehow that’s enough for us to always lose. It shouldn’t be, but it is. Remember the days pre-Virgil when if we conceded three we’d go and score four? Now it takes three months to score four goals.

 

The lads at the back have been pretty fucking heroic all things considered. Even in this game you’ve got Rhys and Nat doing a fucking stellar job. They aren’t top class players but we can’t ask for any more than we got from them. Before that we’ve had Hendo and Fab sacrificing themselves for the good of the team and defensively we’ve been mostly ok. 

 

Frankly it’s insulting to reference the absence of the centre backs as any kind of justification for this defeat and several of the others for that matter. Rhys and Nat were fine. You can win with them playing the way they played.

 

Can we say the same about everyone else? Can we fuck. Only Alisson gets a pass because he had no chance on the goal and didn’t really have anything else to do. Everyone else was varying degrees of dogshit. Again.

 

Not only do we not score anymore, we usually don’t create much either. One or two good chances a game maybe, if we’re lucky. In this one we had a header from Mané that hit the woodwork and a volley from Jota that was saved. What else did we have? Not much.

 

We can’t even blame the refs. Kevin Friend was fine other than continually allowing their keeper to waste time on every goal kick. The keeper would bring the centre backs all the way back to the six yard box as though he was going short, then we’d line the edge of the box and he’d then be like “no no no can’t risk it” and send them upfield. And each time it took around 45 seconds minimum to take it.

 

He was clever though as occasionally he would take it short which kept the ref sweet. It was irrelevant because Friend could have added another 90 minutes on and we wouldn’t have scored, so I’m not using this as any kind of excuse. It was just pissing me off that he kept falling for it.

 

I’m now at the point where I don’t care what happens for the rest of the season. Why should I when half the team clearly doesn’t? They’ve written this season off. As soon as it became clear they were not going to retain the title they just quit mentally. They’re just wanting this over with so they can start again next season with our injured players back and fans in stadiums. 

 

Top four is 100% not happening now, it’s patently obvious. I’ve made my peace with that. Finishing below Everton is much harder to deal with. It’s inevitable now as we’re clearly not going to win enough games to prevent that. That really hurts. At least it hurts some of us. 

 

No doubt Firmino will be liking Richarlison’s “the City is Blue!” Instagram post complete with screenshot of the league table after the final game. The cunt. Firmino I mean, not Richarlison. Although he’s obviously a cunt too.

 

I'd be much more invested if we could go to the games. At least that way you feel like you can make a difference. I'd be there supporting the players and doing my bit to help them get out of the rut they're in. But we can't go to the game, we can't help them and they clearly don't have the fight in them to help themselves now.

 

I forgot to mention this the other night but a mate brought it up and it's very valid I think. Kovacic smashed the ball into Sadio's face as he lay on the ground and one of our players did anything about it. They left Sadio to deal with it on his own. There was a time not so long ago when that would never have happened. Remember "Don't worry Sadio, I'll get him for you". Feels like a lifetime ago.

 

I remember Carragher saying back when he was playing that "team spirit is always great when you're doing well. It's only when you aren't doing well that people question it". That applies perfectly right now. They aren't in it together and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they're in little groups now pointing the finger at other groups and blaming them. I have nothing to base this on other than the complete lack of unity and fight I'm seeing on the pitch. 

 

The only silver lining to this black cloud is we’re so bad that there’s very little chance that we’ll finish in the Europa League spots, which at this point is actually some consolation to me. Fuck Thursday night football. That’s the last thing we need with our lack of depth. We’ve already ran our squad into the ground these last few years so a season without midweek football may help them get some kind of spring in their step again.

 

Of course the owners will use no Champions League as reason for not spending, but we spent fuck all after winning the thing so how will we tell the difference?

 

The players may be thinking “we can still qualify by winning the Champions League” but it’s not that simple. You can’t flick a switch from being shit to playing well enough to beat the best teams in Europe. Imagine us having to play PSG, City, Bayern etc with Big Nat and Rhys at the back and the shower of shit we’ve had masquerading as our midfield and forwards since the turn of the year. It would be ugly.

 

Of course for that to happen we need to overcome Leipzig this week. We’ve got a two goal lead but is anyone confident we’ll see the job through? They won’t be as bad as they were in the first game and it’s unlikely they’ll gift us two goals again. If they score early I fully expect us to collapse like a house of cards.

 

As for the star man…. fucking hell. I could go Rhys Williams but I’ll give it to Fabinho for his little cameo as it was the only remotely positive thing I saw all day. He looked completely re-energised at the chance to finally play in midfield again and was using those telescopic legs to get his foot in and win it back in their half. I don’t want to see him at the back again, regardless of who we need to play back there instead.

 

 

Team: Alisson; N Williams (Alexander-Arnold), Phillips, R Williams, Robertson; Wijnaldum (Mané), Milner (Fabinho), Keita; Shaqiri, Salah, Jota:

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15 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

I know that, I just think it's been massively overstated as used as a crutch to let the midfielders, full backs and strikers off the hook for being shit since the turn of the year.

 

It's easy to blame losing Virgil for everything, but guess what, we were top at Christmas and he was injured in October. Not having Virgil (and Gomez and Matip) is an excuse for not retaining the title. It would even be a valid excuse for finishing below United (and maybe Chelsea).

 

It doesn't excuse the absolute fucking dogshit they've served up for months.

No argument there. Sadly we seem to have let the losses affect our mentality (look at the meek shithouse way we approached the fucking derby after all that had happened - unforgiveable that) and frankly given up......and as a management and coaching team we seem to have decided that there is no Plan B and no adapting to fit with players we do have...just send them out set up same, being asked to do jobs they aren't as good at as the players they are replacing or as a team missing and seemingly hope it suddenly works again.

 

Fucking depressing isn't it.

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12 hours ago, m0e said:

Best analysis I've read on where we are. Honestly. Kudos.

While i agree that the analysis is good it does not excuse what has happened to this team. I am sorry but it doesn't. This team swept all before them home and abroad for three years and now they can't work out how to beat fucking West Brom and Brighton and Newcastle and fucking Everton? 

Klopp has been (rightly) hailed as one of the greatest minds in Football with players that every team wanted and now they cant beat fucking Fulham! South -fucking cant win a fucking game- Hampton?

These football geniuses are unable to adapt? Really.

It is inexcusable and an embarrassment to the name of the club.

If i could say something to the players it would be 

'Put some fucking effort in and get above a light jog at least once in the game'

 

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5 hours ago, grazywalker said:

Not that fully him blame him as his forward options are limited and will not have the cover at the back like he did, but it feels like Andy Robertson passes backwards 90% of the time. We get it to him and then it is stop, look around,see nobody in a good position so play it back.

The passes to each other seem to be a bit slow, and either right to them or slightly behind them which helps kill the momentum. This very rarely happened in the last 2 years.

I’ve started to notice that too. He turns and passes the ball backwards from the edge of our box all the time now. In fairness, he’s looking up and seeing about one red shirt in the box surrounded by 5 defenders normally. Our midfield is scared to get into the box, probably because the defense is so high behind them and they’re worried about being turned around. 
 

He also just looks completely burnt out. 

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10 minutes ago, Crazy Dave said:

I’ve started to notice that too. He turns and passes the ball backwards from the edge of our box all the time now. In fairness, he’s looking up and seeing about one red shirt in the box surrounded by 5 defenders normally. Our midfield is scared to get into the box, probably because the defense is so high behind them and they’re worried about being turned around. 
 

He also just looks completely burnt out. 

The thing that I’ve noticed is that Mane isn’t there to help him out anymore, he’s playing in some inside position. The two of them working together on the wing was one of our great successes 

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Robbo cant pass forward to Sadio if Sadio is fucking swanning around the pitch and not looking for any link up. Personally, I dont think Andy Robertson is in the equation of being part of the problem.

 

He's one of the few players who looks like he gives a fuck in games. Shame his finishing is on a level with Neco Williams but hey, they are fullbacks for a reason.

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I hate our style of football now. I watch less football around Europe than I used to but I can't imagine there's a more depressing team to watch right now than us. All first half we were pumping long balls to Salah. It's either that, or the slow, ponderous, side-to-side possession. Klopp needs to figure something out for next season. Our recruitment recently has been geared more towards more technical players, who want the ball to feet, probably because Klopp and co. thought that's what we were missing.

 

So if we're going to do that and sign players like Thiago and Minamino and play people like Shaqiri and Keita, we can't be hitting it over their heads so often to Salah, it just doesn't make any sense. There's an incoherence there. Either commit to playing possession football, with overlaps and a real number 9, or go buy more brutes to play in midfield and fast forwards to run straight towards goal after we win second balls. Right now, we're a jumbled mess. 

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31 minutes ago, ben48 said:

The thing that I’ve noticed is that Mane isn’t there to help him out anymore, he’s playing in some inside position. The two of them working together on the wing was one of our great successes 

It's this. Robbo gets the ball and Sadio is either down the line or he makes an angle for a pass that often leads to a one two. Recently that option hasn't been there, so Robbo either has to go back or try to beat the man and put in a cross where we often have two or three players against eight.

 

Plus Robbo looks goosed recently.

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3 minutes ago, dave u said:

It's this. Robbo gets the ball and Sadio is either down the line or he makes an angle for a pass that often leads to a one two. Recently that option hasn't been there, so Robbo either has to go back or try to beat the man and put in a cross where we often have two or three players against eight.

 

Plus Robbo looks goosed recently.

If you asked me to pick two players that could do with a 'rest' or taken out of the first 11 - its Robbo and Gini even after all the changes at the weekend I felt that was strange not prioritising both of them to come out of the side.

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We have faced adversity for all the many reasons stated and instead of adapting, adjusting, fighting harder, making tactical changes, working out a way to solve problems etc.....we have basically appeared to have let it overwhelm us, given up and come up with no potential answers to the problems, individually and collectively - players and coaching/management.

 

Where is the siege mentality?

 

Where is the pride in the shirt?

 

The pride as champions?

 

Where is the leadership?

 

Where is the tactical nous to change what isn't working?

 

It is deeply, deeply worrying on many levels how we have collapsed - yes we have big problems and have been decimated, used 73 different centre half pairings etc...and yes we all know as we all say all the time on here how that has affected us....

 

But to this degree of utter collapse and the kind of perfornances we are putting in....sorry but its not on.

 

Deeply, deeply worrying.

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Half the problem is our players have lost the ability and instinct to dribble and shoot as well. 

 

Its like its been drilled out of them to not take risks. Mo and Sadio used to run with the ball and dribble rings around the opposition, they also shot from outside of the box on average. now we try to recycle possession constantly going from side to side. If you look at Mane most of his game was built around powerful running with the ball.

 

Remember his goal at Arsenal? Or his goals against us for Soton? Or his goal against Everton at Anfield? Remember when Mo dribbled around the entire Watford defence and midfield and still stabbed home?

 

Now no one knows how to do it.

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2 hours ago, dave u said:

It's this. Robbo gets the ball and Sadio is either down the line or he makes an angle for a pass that often leads to a one two. Recently that option hasn't been there, so Robbo either has to go back or try to beat the man and put in a cross where we often have two or three players against eight.

 

Plus Robbo looks goosed recently.

Robertson, Trent and Mane in particular are absolute shadows of their former selves. This has been one of the key problems.

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19 hours ago, Stouffer said:

Fuck the match reports off until we win Dave; I can't imagine how shit it is having to do them.

I can totally understand if he would do that and I wouldn't complain one sec about it but I'm glad he's still doing them.

They're almost therapeutic to me. Me head's all over the place because of this and it feels good reading them as he's so good at putting words on this fucking misery. 

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Spot on about Fabinho,I think if he started we would have won,I saw enough in the last 15 minutes to justify that.He doesn’t let the opposition turn and get 3-4 passes away that gets them up the pitch.Jurgen needs to be starting him in midfield from now to end of season preferably with Gini and one other from Keita and Jones.Defensively we haven’t been brilliant but we haven't been terrible either so im actually not laying any blame at our defence.The forward line also benefit from Fab in midfield as space opens up once he nicks it back quickly.It is that one position I believe has been the biggest contributor to our downfall,hopefully we have seen the end of it and the lads get some confidence back.

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5 hours ago, index1000 said:

While i agree that the analysis is good it does not excuse what has happened to this team. I am sorry but it doesn't. This team swept all before them home and abroad for three years and now they can't work out how to beat fucking West Brom and Brighton and Newcastle and fucking Everton? 

Klopp has been (rightly) hailed as one of the greatest minds in Football with players that every team wanted and now they cant beat fucking Fulham! South -fucking cant win a fucking game- Hampton?

These football geniuses are unable to adapt? Really.

It is inexcusable and an embarrassment to the name of the club.

If i could say something to the players it would be 

'Put some fucking effort in and get above a light jog at least once in the game'

 

Great. So what's your analysis?

 

Or are you just going to complain about fucking this and fucking that?

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8 hours ago, dave u said:

In terms of losing Van Dijk affecting the way we play, again, I think it's been overstated. We miss his long passing to release the forwards early, but Hendo was playing back there for a while and playing those passes. Didn't really make us any more effective did it?

 

We hugely miss him on set-pieces at both ends and it is a massive problem on our attacking set plays. No doubt about that. We're no threat from corners anymore when with Virgil we were the best in the league.

 

So yeah that has hurt us a lot. We've lost his leadership, his pace and his general aura. All of that has hurt us and as I say, its a valid excuse for not retaining the title.

 

You know what it isn't a valid excuse for? Being behind fucking Everton and West Ham. I'm embarrassed by that. It's horrible. 

 

I wish the players felt the same but I'd be willing to bet that half of them don't give a fuck about Everton being above us. If they did maybe they'd have actually tried to do something about it in the derby instead of serving up that fucking pitiful 'performance'.

The common denominator over the past 3 years has been the front 3, VVD, Alisson and the full backs.

 

They never needed resting, and hardly ever got injured (that still applies to all of them bar Alisson).

 

We had by far the best defensive pairing in Europe, irrespective of who partnered VVD.

 

We all saw Klopp build a system, brick by brick. He didn't go out there an buy superstars.

 

That system relied heavily on the midfielders plugging the gaps. That's the reason our main 3 - Hendo, Gini, and Fab - were regularly rotated with Keita, Milner and Ox. Even Lallana got games when he was available!

 

Klopp hasn't been able to do that because of what's happened.

 

So on top of our central defence being replaced by our central midfield, we couldn't rotate the replacement midfielders!

 

And even then, the midfielders brought in were not of the same ilk (Jones, Thiagi, Shaqiri).

 

We simply don't have the know how or the legs to play the way we are set up to in the middle of the park.

 

The one argument that is valid is that Klopp could change the system. But he's clearly rolled his dice and is sticking to this system... and probably for a number of factors we, as fans, won't be able to fully grasp.

 

On top of that, we have the analysis @an tha outlined about the style from the back (it's not just the VVD passing, it's the midfield set up on front of him, and the pace / quality along side him we've missed). Not to mention the fact our threat from set pieces has been completely wiped out.

 

And of course there has been the impact of our fans not being there, mainly to celebrate our league title and to celebrate this squad of players; whilst rubbing it in to the opposition fans and players.

 

It's a fucking downer all round.

 

The system is broken, and the confidence is shot as a result.

 

You can chop it up a million and one ways and it doesn't change the fact that we are in an almost impossible position, and that heads have understandably dropped as a result.

 

In many ways, the fact that we were top in December has added to the frustration. I see it as rather remarkable we were able to do that with all the shit we had to deal with.

 

On a final note, I get the frustration about the Everton game, but Klopp has been a manager who's ALWAYS asked our players to respect the opposition and the referees.

 

We had a different (more professional) kind of anger that got us out of problems, and that's clearly no longer there, and almost certainly as a result of everything that's happened.

 

I'm ok with people having a go, and I'm occasionally jumping on that train too.

 

But no fucking way am I staying on it once the emotion dies down.

 

We are ALL hurting and we will ALL come out of this sooner rather than later.

 

Peace.

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6 hours ago, ben48 said:

The thing that I’ve noticed is that Mane isn’t there to help him out anymore, he’s playing in some inside position. The two of them working together on the wing was one of our great successes 

It's only been a couple of games we've done that though - I think sheff United and the 2 loses since. Trent is holding back a little, almost making 3 at the back at times. But in the sheff United and Chelsea games we played with a double 6 and we were almost playing a 3 of robbo, firmino and Jones with Salah and mane as inside forwards ahead of them. We seemed to chuck that away yesterday though and I actually couldn't figure out what the real shape was. 

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These players have been given a walk over for far too long,they need to be told in no uncertain terms what an embarrassment they are to this football club,us fans and mostly to themselves,feeling sorry for themselves and just being weak cunts has to stop now!!!!
Thanks,as usual for a great report Dave,lose or lose 

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

It's only been a couple of games we've done that though - I think sheff United and the 2 loses since. Trent is holding back a little, almost making 3 at the back at times. But in the sheff United and Chelsea games we played with a double 6 and we were almost playing a 3 of robbo, firmino and Jones with Salah and mane as inside forwards ahead of them. We seemed to chuck that away yesterday though and I actually couldn't figure out what the real shape was. 

Turd shape

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2 hours ago, Pidge said:

Just realised they played seven loanees. That's mental.

 

Probably shouldn't be allowed that. I always thought the limit was three!

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4 hours ago, Pidge said:

Just realised they played seven loanees. That's mental.

 

1 hour ago, dave u said:

 

Probably shouldn't be allowed that. I always thought the limit was three!

According to the PL website "The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season (to a club) is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time."

 

If they played 7 loanees in the same team surely that's a breach so the number of loanees is either incorrect or they're busted.

 

Didnt Watford have 7 loanees in the same team a few years back and the authorities clamped down on it?

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